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11/21/2009 11:28:16 AM · #126
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

... I just keep seeing more threads, and more demands for this, that, and the other thing.....the site needs to change, etc.

I like DP Challenge, I accept the way the site is as it's a terrific resource, but if people keep making demands and bitching about every little thing that doesn't suit them, well, then the site is irreversably changed, and maybe I should go away, because I liked it just fine the way it was for the last three and a half years that I've been here. ...

You didn't seem to mind "change" when it came to allowing larger challenge images on DPC - but now, if it's something YOU don't want, it's a different story?

****** following quotes are from the challenge size increase thread ******
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Just because some of us cannot afford it, or choose to spend our money in different ways than the latest & greatest technology doesn't mena that this site shouldn't do whatever they want to move forward.

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

What people want is a natural state of progression.

Just because I have a 17" monitor, CS2, and a five year old camera doesn't mean that I have the right to ask the site to hold back the steady progression of technology. And I don't.......yet I'm on the same page as the technology dinosaurs.

Why *wouldn't* I want the site to grow and become better for the day when I can afford the upgrades?

There pretty much isn't anyone on here that can't make screen resolution arrangements to deal with it if they don't want to scroll......you don't have to vote from a laptop; you don't have to vote from a desktop; nobody's telling anyone what they have to do.

If 80% of the people polled want the bigger size, does that mean screw them because 20% don't?

11/21/2009 12:04:32 PM · #127
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

How is a GWC like me who's picked up a thing or two, but is certainly not a photography expert, supposed to be so aware of the intricacies of protocol ...

Perhaps by reading this notice at the bottom of every page at DPC?
Originally posted by DPC Page Footer:

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11/21/2009 12:42:44 PM · #128
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

How is a GWC like me who's picked up a thing or two, but is certainly not a photography expert, supposed to be so aware of the intricacies of protocol, especially if, not only do I not care if someone wants to use my image for a wallpaper, I'm downright flattered?

Well asking before borrowing something belonging to someone else is hardly a radical new "protocol"; I was taught growing up that it's polite to ask.

But hey, if you're happier crying "community" and treating anything anyone posts as fair game, go for it. As we all know, you have to accept that whenever you post something on the net, someone with an overblown sense of entitlement will probably nick it.
11/21/2009 01:50:36 PM · #129
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by bmatt17:

Does anybody really want to be emailed "every single time" someone wants to use your picture as desktop wallpaper?

Originally posted by ganders:

Unlikely as it is to ever happen, yes, I would. It's only a courtesy, no?

I mean seriously, if you like a picture enough to stick it on your desktop, it's not exactly hard to drop a quick PM first. It's pretty low when you can't even be bothered to say please and thank you any more.

Low???

If I saw someone's image that I wanted to use as a wallpaper, I'd drop them a note and tell them how fabulous it looks.

I would have assumed that it'd be okay to do that here amongst members of the community.

I would have been taken aback if I would have gotten a reply back admonishing me for "stealing" it rather than asking for permission first.

I guess I just see it differently.

I've been part & party to groups of us playing with each other's images in side challenges, and I have a whole bin full of favorites.

I never had to ask anyone if it was okay if I faved their image......why would I think that other than having the courtesy to mention that I liked someone's image so much that I used it as a desktop wallpaper, that it wasn't okay?

I'm obviously ignorant of the protocol involved with proper usage of another member of the community's image.

I would just have assumed that if someone liked an image of mine enough to use it as a background, they would.....after all, I posted it up for y'all's viewing pleasure.

I have sent links to my friends on numerous occasions to view another photog's image here that I liked.....is that okay?

I realize I'm being a little over the top, but to tell you the truth, that whole "How could you steal an image to use as a wallpaper?" thing really floors me.

How is a GWC like me who's picked up a thing or two, but is certainly not a photography expert, supposed to be so aware of the intricacies of protocol, especially if, not only do I not care if someone wants to use my image for a wallpaper, I'm downright flattered?


Just when I thought you were starting to actually get a little bit of common sense, you go and post this.

There is such a major difference between sharing photos together in side challenges or 'how can I process' this threads or adding a shot as a favorite, and taking images away from the site without ANY knowledge of the photographer whatsoever, to use as you will for your own personal reasons. This little rant right here just shows me how deep this whole "I can do what I want" mentality runs. It's astonishing. You mentioned you were being 'over the top', but to tell the truth, you were nowhere NEAR the top. This is a REAL problem, and just because you don't have an issue YOURSELF with people using your imagery for whatever, (I don't either, to tell the truth), doesn't mean that it's ok for it to happen.

How many times have I said it? Sometimes you have to step back, think about things for a bit, maybe read what others have written now and then, and try to base some logic in some of these posts.

Common courtesy and respect, that is all anyone asks, but those things go mother-lovin' belly up when people suddenly don't get what they want these days. Yah, the internet fostered a bit of "omg, everything's free and for the taking!" for a long time, but now people are beginning to wake up a bit, and those days are going to be over. If you HONESTLY have to question why one shouldn't send a simple PM of "I have seen your work, and I adore it. I would love to use it as a background image on my computer, would that be ok?", and it's not just your way of being pendantic, then what can I say? Even as someone that would happily let anyone use their work as such, you have to admit that getting concrete validation of that use would be honorable and uplifting, no?

Message edited by author 2009-11-21 13:53:04.
11/21/2009 02:17:10 PM · #130
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

... I just keep seeing more threads, and more demands for this, that, and the other thing.....the site needs to change, etc.

I like DP Challenge, I accept the way the site is as it's a terrific resource, but if people keep making demands and bitching about every little thing that doesn't suit them, well, then the site is irreversably changed, and maybe I should go away, because I liked it just fine the way it was for the last three and a half years that I've been here. ...

You didn't seem to mind "change" when it came to allowing larger challenge images on DPC - but now, if it's something YOU don't want, it's a different story?

****** following quotes are from the challenge size increase thread ******
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Just because some of us cannot afford it, or choose to spend our money in different ways than the latest & greatest technology doesn't mena that this site shouldn't do whatever they want to move forward.

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

What people want is a natural state of progression.

Just because I have a 17" monitor, CS2, and a five year old camera doesn't mean that I have the right to ask the site to hold back the steady progression of technology. And I don't.......yet I'm on the same page as the technology dinosaurs.

Why *wouldn't* I want the site to grow and become better for the day when I can afford the upgrades?
There pretty much isn't anyone on here that can't make screen resolution arrangements to deal with it if they don't want to scroll......you don't have to vote from a laptop; you don't have to vote from a desktop; nobody's telling anyone what they have to do.

If 80% of the people polled want the bigger size, does that mean screw them because 20% don't?


ohhhhhhh... very interesting... And, another "for the record"... I've never asked for anything on this site... If there is a topic discussion that involves something I agree with, then I just simply state my opinion.. I unlike others, won't start whining that I'm going to leave if IT DOES or doesn't happen... I was never even in on the increase size discussion.. The only thing I have ever said would be an awesome addition to this site is the watermark.. Will I leave if they don't do it, NOPE.. So, save the "I don't belong here anymore"... Suck it up, roll with the punches and keep doing what you do.. Enjoy this site for what you want to take from it, enjoy the challenges as you have and keep making beautiful images..

Message edited by author 2009-11-21 14:18:52.
11/21/2009 04:33:53 PM · #131
The transparent overlay is not going to work. I think a pop up that says "image is copyrighted, please contact the owner for permission" or something like that would work better. You do not want to piss off the person trying to right click the image when they find out they have a transparent gif instead of the image they were trying to steal because that might seem like a challenge to them to work harder to steal it.

the band at the bottom of the photo idea is also not going to work. Fo the same reason as the transparent layer and also the no right clicking. They just have to copy the screen into the clipboard and put it into their editing program and in two seconds they crop to just the image and they have it.

We need a combination of the no right click (that will actually stop the majority of casual people that are not smart enough to realize it is theft to do so) as well as a real semi-transparent watermark over the image itself. (and I am not talking about during voting, those should not be watermarked) Give the photographer the option as to whether they want to watermark or not, and even how transparent the watermark is on their images. Do NOT watermark the thumbnails. (I used to use a website service that gave this option) For those that feel it will ruin the site because people do not want to browse watermarked images that is a bunch of bunk! I would assume then that you would not be choosing to opt into the watermark system so your photos will get way more views then mine. I am fine with that!

This site expects us to give them usage of our images FOREVER (that has got to change... photogs should have the option to pull their images whenever they wish...they do belong to the photographer after all!) so the site should be obligated to help keep our images from being stolen.

If they are not going to institute a watermark we can opt into, then it is even more of a reason for them to allow us to pull our images whenever we want since they are ours to begin with. Then I could pull my images as soon as the voting was done and not have to worry about any of this crap.
11/21/2009 04:37:41 PM · #132
Originally posted by basssman7:

The transparent overlay is not going to work.

It already has.

Originally posted by basssman7:

If they are not going to institute a watermark we can opt into, then it is even more of a reason for them to allow us to pull our images whenever we want since they are ours to begin with. Then I could pull my images as soon as the voting was done and not have to worry about any of this crap.

If people pulled their entries after voting, there would be no DPC.
11/21/2009 04:53:52 PM · #133
Originally posted by basssman7:

This site expects us to give them usage of our images FOREVER (that has got to change... photogs should have the option to pull their images whenever they wish...they do belong to the photographer after all!)

You grant DPC a perpetual license to display the challenge entries as part of the Terms of Use to which you agree when you register. If you want to remove your images at will then just put them in your Portfolio -- those you can remove whenever you wish -- and don't enter them into the challenges. Challenge results with entries removed would be pretty pointless ...
11/21/2009 06:28:59 PM · #134
Originally posted by basssman7:

This site expects us to give them usage of our images FOREVER (that has got to change... photogs should have the option to pull their images whenever they wish...they do belong to the photographer after all!) so the site should be obligated to help keep our images from being stolen.

If they are not going to institute a watermark we can opt into, then it is even more of a reason for them to allow us to pull our images whenever we want since they are ours to begin with. Then I could pull my images as soon as the voting was done and not have to worry about any of this crap.


Why bother to put it in voting at all eh?
11/21/2009 06:54:25 PM · #135
Personally, the only issue I see with the new overlay is that my exif viewer no longer works for when I'm curious about camera settings (a lot of people strip photos of the data anyway though, so it's hit or miss to begin with). That, and I foresee lots of posts informing new people to place the image in their workshop, but that's pretty negligible in relation to the aid that it is IMO to preventing general surfers from copying the photo.
11/21/2009 07:37:13 PM · #136
Is there a way that this gallery be omitted, as people upload overlays to be shared there? I generally support this idea of protecting photos though.
11/21/2009 07:51:23 PM · #137


Message edited by author 2009-11-21 20:48:02.
11/21/2009 07:54:19 PM · #138
Originally posted by Zigomar:

Is there a way that this gallery be omitted, as people upload overlays to be shared there? I generally support this idea of protecting photos though.


I second this! It's probably not to hard to exclude it in coding.
11/21/2009 08:05:01 PM · #139


Message edited by author 2009-11-21 20:47:45.
11/21/2009 08:16:04 PM · #140
I don't mind you being here at all Jeb and I don't take everything you say as being vile or garrulous (I had to look this one up), and I think it would be a loss if you were to leave.. My tone wasn't trying to be condescending to you.. It was meant in a "peppy" way if you will... I totally appreciate all of your opinions even if they differ from mine.. I think that's what makes this an enjoyable place.. If everyone were to agree on everything, then quite frankly I would be quite bored.. So, I certainly hope you stay, enjoy the website for you want to take from it and keep making beautiful images.. And, for me, since the only thing I've ever agreed with when it comes to changing the site is the watermarks, its' a bit of a stretch when you respond to something I've said with..

Originally posted by NikonJeb:


Yeah.....that's a good one! I'm just gonna sit here and not say anything when you guys all say it's okay for you to demand anything you want 'cause there's a forum for website suggestions. Especially when you want to fix something that's not broken.


I don't demand ANYTHING I want, never have, never will.. I only agreed with one change.. And, again, it's not a demand, just a suggestion and if it's taken then great, if not, that's okay too...

I can honestly say that after reading many of your posts, you have said over & over how much you enjoy the things you get from this site, so WHY would you leave... Even if you feel like you need to defend everything you say... Trust me, when you break down my posts line by line, I certainly feel the same way.. But, I'm not going to leave because of it and neither should you or anyone else..
11/21/2009 08:20:17 PM · #141



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11/21/2009 08:31:11 PM · #142
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

I feel like I have to defend the slightest thing I say.

No, you don't. Say what you want to say, once, and let it speak for itself; if (a couple) other people misinterpret your meaning, that's their problem.

Furthermore, you don't have to defend the site from others' off-the-wall "demands" -- rest assured Langdon and the SC will not consider making unreasonable changes. If other people want to come across as whiny, bitchy, or unreasonably demanding, it's completely their right to do so -- you don't need to "expose them for what they are," nor demand they cease their potentialy antisocial ways.

Relax and enjoy the parts of the site you like, and ignore the rest -- I can almost promise you'll feel better and have lower blood pressure.
11/21/2009 08:34:34 PM · #143
Thanks, Paul Marcus. Exactly what I was about to say in a post nowhere as elegant as yours.

Message edited by author 2009-11-21 23:02:05.
11/21/2009 08:35:57 PM · #144


Message edited by author 2009-11-21 20:47:17.
11/21/2009 08:41:08 PM · #145


Message edited by author 2009-11-21 20:45:48.
11/21/2009 08:45:04 PM · #146
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

You could have just let that one alone......why would you feel the need to try to provoke something?

Elegantly stated -- my point, precisely.
11/21/2009 08:47:02 PM · #147
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

You could have just let that one alone......why would you feel the need to try to provoke something?

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Elegantly stated -- my point, precisely.

I *do* need a break.

I just don't enjoy this much any more.

I keep trying to see the good, but I just don't see it much any more.
11/22/2009 01:53:15 PM · #148
Just seen this thread and the new method to prevent image downloads. I'm surprised this is actually acting as a deterrent. Curious, I tried to get an image file and it took me all of 30 seconds to uncover the real image and download it. So it truly only blocks casual downloaders and won't stop anyone intended on theft.

That said, I'm all for watermarks, as long as they can be disabled by the image owner. It's a much better way to deter theft. I'm just an amateur and don't care at all if someone takes one of my images as long as they attribute the image to me. Perhaps we could have an optional symbol to allow Creative Commons license?
11/22/2009 01:57:52 PM · #149
So, is this in lieu of watermarks ?????
11/22/2009 01:58:31 PM · #150
Originally posted by kandykarml:

So, is this in lieu of watermarks ?????


No.
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