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11/20/2009 03:24:47 PM · #101 |
Message edited by author 2009-11-21 20:48:26.
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11/20/2009 04:36:23 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by kandykarml:
mind if I just helped myself to your couch cause I want my living room to look pretty... Unfrickenreal !!!!!!!!!
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If you want my couch all you have to do is ask.
Originally posted by kandykarml:
If you don't have a problem with people swiping your images and using them as they see fit, then upload them into your workshop and let the masses have at it.. I on the other hand, prefer it if someone wants to use my image, they ASK... And, no need to point out that no one wants to use my images cause I'm not a ribbon/award winning photog... I have had an image stolen from this site and it's used on porn sites... and, I wish they would have at least asked, cause I probably would have laughed and said yes.. :-) |
I feel much as you do about my own images. Who would want to use them anyway? You may be cutting yourself short. My statement was based on my use of images I see on this site. In discussions of post-processing for the most part. I'll take the copy I'm seeing and see how I do using my own inexperienced techniques. I've learned much of what little I know about PP from this site, several others, and practice on my own. Maybe I'm clueless but I don't consider this theft of images. I actually consider it Fair Use. But after seeing the lynchgang mentality in several recent threads I'm going to suspect that some in here will consider it felony grand theft. Many the same people who can't be bothered to protect their images by registering the copyright. My statement of casting the first stone comes from my observations of threads showing even the best on this site doing the very same thing without permission much of the time. Personally I feel the owner should have built this type of use into the TOS of the site. It hurts no one and benefits many. But I'm glad to see that he seems to be more interested in the site lately and responsive to user input. The option of placing ones images in the workshop so others may manipulate them for learning purposes is a nice option. Now the DPC prosecutors may come in and indict me and prepare for the trial. But a note of caution. You may inadvertently invoke the IVOTROLL. |
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11/20/2009 04:39:09 PM · #103 |
| please, can we see a demo of the transparent overlay? |
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11/20/2009 04:42:25 PM · #104 |
Originally posted by Rino63:
please, can we see a demo of the transparent overlay? |
It's there, now ;) |
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11/20/2009 04:45:52 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by Rino63:
please, can we see a demo of the transparent overlay? |
all you have to do to demo it is right-click on an image that isn't your own, click copy, go to your desktop, click paste, and then try and open it. You'll get a blank image. |
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11/20/2009 05:08:36 PM · #106 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by Rino63:
please, can we see a demo of the transparent overlay? |
all you have to do to demo it is right-click on an image that isn't your own, click copy, go to your desktop, click paste, and then try and open it. You'll get a blank image. |
+ one pixel that is black |
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11/20/2009 05:23:44 PM · #107 |
test with  . well, save with name work and paste in photoshop work..... |
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11/20/2009 05:32:06 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by kandykarml:
If I like your furniture and come over to your house to find the door unlocked, would you mind if I just helped myself to your couch cause I want my living room to look pretty... Unfrickenreal !!!!!!!!! |
This really is a completely different, and incomparable analogy.
If you could on any level justify how this is the same thing, it might have some credence.
But you're talking about imagery versus tangible objects being removed......it simply isn't the same.
Originally posted by kandykarml:
If you don't have a problem with people swiping your images and using them as they see fit, then upload them into your workshop and let the masses have at it. |
I don't necessarily want everyone and anyone swiping my images, but I don't lay awake at night worrying about the possibility and how I can thwart it, either.
It just isn't a big deal to some of us.
At this point, I can certainly live with some concessions being made to try and help y'all that are adamant about protection, but try to remember that there are others here that will not be able to do some of the little things we used to do, like helping each other with edits, or simply linking friends to portfolio images that they may download without going to some extra steps.
For the same reasons that you want protections, we don't want it to be a hassle every time we try to do something with our images on the site.
This WILL affect some of the user-friendliness of the side challenges in a big way.
Don't forget that every action has consequences. |
LOL, What a shocker Jeb... You and I disagree on this tooooo... LOL.. For the record, I don't lay awake at night worrying about the possibility my image will be stolen.. (I usually fret over this during daylight hours).. And, I think the site should be given a little credit.. I've already used the "workshop" upload system and found that pressing the button to upload them to that part was... wait for it... exactly the same as uploading it to my profile.. So, I just don't see how any of this will effect the ease of photog's wanting to share their images.. |
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11/20/2009 06:18:07 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by Rino63:
test with . well, save with name work and paste in photoshop work..... |
Rino, Jeb has that in his workshop, which doesn't use the overlay. You have to choose a regular or challenge image from someone's profile. |
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11/20/2009 07:02:07 PM · #110 |
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
Originally posted by MichaelC:
I must be missing something....
I just went to the front page then clicked on the 1st image then right click then copy then in PS went ctrl-n then paste and voila had the image. |
Did you have the image, or a single pixel .gif image? That's what I got when I tested it. |
I had the whole image.
Using FF on Win 7 & CS3
Just tried again....this is wierd...
1st try - got to the ctrl-n part & saw image was only 1 pixel
2nd try - got to the ctrl-n part & saw image was only 1 pixel
3rd try - it worked
Message edited by author 2009-11-20 19:49:40. |
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11/20/2009 09:34:27 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by Judi:
The Overlay is not on your own images when YOU view them, nor are they on your workshop images (suitable for uploading editable versions for other members). |
yeah, i got that... but what if i don't want the overlay to appear for others...
it'd be nice to have that be a switch, either per/picture or portfolio wide...
and yes, the workshop is open, but that doesn't help w/ photos i put up in challenges...
i like the overlay, i just like options...
it's why i don't use a mac. |
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11/20/2009 09:43:10 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by kudzu:
that doesn't help w/ photos i put up in challenges... |
You can have challenge entries in your workshop (or post a copy there).
Originally posted by kudzu:
i like the overlay, i just like options... it's why i don't use a mac. |
Macs can run Mac OS or Windows, and all the software available for either platform. PCs can only run Windows. So much for options. ;-)
Message edited by author 2009-11-20 21:43:23. |
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11/20/2009 11:55:23 PM · #113 |
| I would like it better with a watermark |
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11/21/2009 01:03:13 AM · #114 |
| I use firefox and like to do the image zoom thing... doesn't work now. |
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11/21/2009 01:12:55 AM · #115 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by kudzu:
that doesn't help w/ photos i put up in challenges... |
You can have challenge entries in your workshop (or post a copy there).
Originally posted by kudzu:
i like the overlay, i just like options... it's why i don't use a mac. |
Macs can run Mac OS or Windows, and all the software available for either platform. PCs can only run Windows. So much for options. ;-) |
It's like that commercial...
"It get the fuel economy of a Toyota. It has the value of a Toyota...why not just buy a Toyota?"
Since a Windows PC can run Windows (duh!), Redhat, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, most every other flavor of Linux, there is no need to run any Mac OS. Now those are options! Just buy Windows.
Message edited by author 2009-11-21 01:15:27.
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11/21/2009 01:17:19 AM · #116 |
Originally posted by aerogurl:
I use firefox and like to do the image zoom thing... doesn't work now. |
Oh wow, good point. Sucks for on my laptop now. It just resizes the transparent gif. :/ |
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11/21/2009 01:45:44 AM · #117 |
I wish people would stop stealing pix.gif all the time. I think Langdon should put a watermark on it.
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11/21/2009 03:54:47 AM · #118 |
Does anybody really want to be emailed "every single time" someone wants to use your picture as desktop wallpaper? I'm against this. I also use firefox and image zoom and stuff like this and anti right click scripts do nothing but annoy me.
I understand not wanting someone to steal your images and use them on other websites/publications w/out your permission, but as far as I'm concerned if you post something to the WWW for the entire world to see you just gave permission for stuff like using it as desktop wallpaper. Disabling stuff like coolris and image zoom while doing nothing to prevent the taking of an image (printscreen) is utterly pointless. |
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11/21/2009 04:34:12 AM · #119 |
Originally posted by bmatt17:
Does anybody really want to be emailed "every single time" someone wants to use your picture as desktop wallpaper? |
Unlikely as it is to ever happen, yes, I would. It's only a courtesy, no?
I mean seriously, if you like a picture enough to stick it on your desktop, it's not exactly hard to drop a quick PM first. It's pretty low when you can't even be bothered to say please and thank you any more. |
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11/21/2009 05:11:03 AM · #120 |
Ehm, the "casual swiper" equipped with Firefox and Adblock plus will not be stopped so easily: removing the invisible overlay from every DPC page is only one right-click away. This trick is only stopping grandma and kindergarten "thieves" from using the photos as desktop backgrounds, and who is against that?
Putting the photos inside flash applets may deter "casual swipers" - unless they are eager enough to do a screen dump. Unfortunately, against screen dumps we can do nothing. The "eager swiper" can only be stopped by watermarking, but that kind of excess in ugly would upset all of us members.
If we can agree that watermarking would be too ugly and that non-watermarked images can be "stolen" no matter what - why not focus on attribution instead. After "swiping" it should be obvious who the photographer is, and under what copyright/copyleft rules it is published.
New idea: Add an informative information section under the bottom of each photo. But: to remove this ugliness on DPC we should cover it up during normal page viewing using a non-transparent image or page element of the same colour as the background. When "swiped", the user gets the whole photo including the previously covered information block. Clever huh?
Ideally, the adding of this piece of extra image data should be done non-destructively, without altering the jpeg-data for the original image - can that be done?
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11/21/2009 05:58:48 AM · #121 |
Originally posted by ganders:
Originally posted by bmatt17:
Does anybody really want to be emailed "every single time" someone wants to use your picture as desktop wallpaper? |
Unlikely as it is to ever happen, yes, I would. It's only a courtesy, no?
I mean seriously, if you like a picture enough to stick it on your desktop, it's not exactly hard to drop a quick PM first. It's pretty low when you can't even be bothered to say please and thank you any more. |
I asked a DPCer If I could use a image of his for my desktop, not only did he say yes, he also emailed a higher resolution copy. |
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11/21/2009 06:31:59 AM · #122 |
Originally posted by johst582:
Ehm, the "casual swiper" equipped with Firefox and Adblock plus will not be stopped so easily: removing the invisible overlay from every DPC page is only one right-click away. This trick is only stopping grandma and kindergarten "thieves" from using the photos as desktop backgrounds, and who is against that?
Putting the photos inside flash applets may deter "casual swipers" - unless they are eager enough to do a screen dump. Unfortunately, against screen dumps we can do nothing. The "eager swiper" can only be stopped by watermarking, but that kind of excess in ugly would upset all of us members.
If we can agree that watermarking would be too ugly and that non-watermarked images can be "stolen" no matter what - why not focus on attribution instead. After "swiping" it should be obvious who the photographer is, and under what copyright/copyleft rules it is published.
New idea: Add an informative information section under the bottom of each photo. But: to remove this ugliness on DPC we should cover it up during normal page viewing using a non-transparent image or page element of the same colour as the background. When "swiped", the user gets the whole photo including the previously covered information block. Clever huh?
Ideally, the adding of this piece of extra image data should be done non-destructively, without altering the jpeg-data for the original image - can that be done? |
That's an AWESOME idea! Yes, make the downloaded image have an extra band* on the bottom that says "(c) [username]. Use without permission is theft." or something like that.
ETA: *the band should be a gray stripe and a black band on which the notice is written in a white font. That way, it doesn't interfere with any color border, except maybe extending a gray border a couple pixels.
Message edited by author 2009-11-21 06:33:24. |
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11/21/2009 07:05:09 AM · #123 |
Message edited by author 2009-11-21 20:48:52.
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11/21/2009 07:05:58 AM · #124 |
Reply to my own post: I checked out what kind of HTML & CSS is necessary to crop away the copyright-band. It's as easy as this:
CSS:
div.crop { overflow: hidden; }
div.crop img { margin: 0 0 -50px 0; } <---- 50 pixels "band-width"
HTML:
The adding of the band can be automated with e.g. ImageMagick.
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11/21/2009 09:15:07 AM · #125 |
Message edited by author 2009-11-21 20:49:04.
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