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11/20/2009 10:14:24 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by keyz:
glad2badad : you can use it with Firefox,Opera, Safari or any browser respecting the rules. |
Using IE. Which, BTW, still has nearly 40% of the market share. :-) |
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11/20/2009 10:19:23 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by keyz:
The best solution should be to give an option in the account to set the protection. |
I guess as a workaround, just move the stuff you want publicly available into your workshop folder. Then you can pick and choose which to share. |
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11/20/2009 10:21:16 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by keyz:
glad2badad : you can use it with Firefox,Opera, Safari or any browser respecting the rules. |
Using IE. Which, BTW, still has nearly 40% of the market share. :-) |
Yes, that's why I didn't put new photos on my website. I'll do it when I'll have the time to solve the bug!
Originally posted by violinist123:
Yeah but art is about making money. |
Too bad for those stupid people doing art just for art, eyes and ears. |
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11/20/2009 10:30:16 AM · #79 |
Originally posted by tase:
i feel personal and/or non-profit use with all required attributions doesn't require prior permission from the content owner (especially so for digital content) |
You may feel that, but you're incorrect. If that were true, there would be no need for Creative Commons-like licensing. At the end of the day, whether or not you can use copyright material for personal use is up to the copyright holder, not you.
Ironically, this thread has rather changed my mind. I'm usually very much against such schemes (along with nonsense like right-click disablers) for the same sort of "don't break the web" reasons some have mentioned. But when multiple people here seem to think it's totally fine to just grab other people's work without even having the politeness to even ask, well, maybe it's time to make it a touch more awkward for them.
edit to add: It's probably worth pointing out that everything I put on flickr is set to CC-NC; I have no objection to being free with my rights. What I have a problem with is someone else deciding to ignore my opinion on my own work.
Message edited by author 2009-11-20 10:31:44. |
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11/20/2009 11:35:25 AM · #80 |
| Does this work in Firefox? I can save *any* picture (I tried about half a dozen from different challenges) and I can save them... what am I missing? |
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11/20/2009 11:36:52 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by manavg:
Does this work in Firefox? I can save *any* picture (I tried about half a dozen from different challenges) and I can save them... what am I missing? |
and are they there when you go to view them? or is it just a black dot?
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11/20/2009 11:49:42 AM · #82 |
Originally posted by keyz:
"The more you share, the more you touch !" |
Originally posted by violinist123:
Yeah but art is about making money. |
I love it when you have one like this that's so far off the charts that you don't even need a smiley!
Bra-f*ckin'-vo!
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11/20/2009 12:01:22 PM · #83 |
I understand that people that spend time and efforts on creating some nice pictures would like to stop others from downloading their pictures from this site for free. Even if you want to use it as a wallpaper - you can ask the author and he/she can allow it, maybe even for free (although I see that some would prefer to sell such a privilege).
My grump with this new system is with a restriction on enjoying the pictures that became unavailable to me. I used Cooliris to watch pictures in the challenges on through the Cooliris picture wall. Now I can't do it. Unfortunately DPC does not offer anything remotely similar - you can watch only small thumbnails and only 10 on one page. DPC has no manageable slide-show option to watch the pictures, unless I am still to find it. :( |
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11/20/2009 12:28:09 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by tase:
i feel personal and/or non-profit use with all required attributions doesn't require prior permission from the content owner (especially so for digital content) so i guess you can lump me with my CC forging compatriots. a desire to prevent people from using your photographs as desktop wallpapers, house decorations or even real wallpapers without having to beg for permission is pure ego-trip, control mania and the pinnacle of asshole-ness. my two future euro-zone euro cents.
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Personally, I don't care if someone uses my image for their personal wallpaper - but that's just me. Non-profits are not necessarily poor, in fact many are quite well off. It irks me to no end when non-profits think people should give them stuff for free but have no qualms about paying for electricity, or for a plumber, etc.,etc., or pay the executive staff quite handsomely. Plus, if non-profits have the right to grab from the net, how would you feel if you saw one of your images being used to promote an organization you disagree with.
To carry your scenario a step further, would you agree that if I leave my bike unlocked, that someone with the proper credentials should be able to take it? I mean as long as they use it for personal use, or they are non-profit, it would be acceptable, right? Why would that be any different from stealing intellectual property?
Message edited by author 2009-11-20 12:30:38. |
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11/20/2009 12:35:48 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
Originally posted by tase:
i feel personal and/or non-profit use with all required attributions doesn't require prior permission from the content owner (especially so for digital content) so i guess you can lump me with my CC forging compatriots. a desire to prevent people from using your photographs as desktop wallpapers, house decorations or even real wallpapers without having to beg for permission is pure ego-trip, control mania and the pinnacle of asshole-ness. my two future euro-zone euro cents.
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Personally, I don't care if someone uses my image for their personal wallpaper - but that's just me. Non-profits are not necessarily poor, in fact many are quite well off. It irks me to no end when non-profits think people should give them stuff for free but have no qualms about paying for electricity, or for a plumber, etc.,etc., or pay the executive staff quite handsomely. Plus, if non-profits have the right to grab from the net, how would you feel if you saw one of your images being used to promote an organization you disagree with.
To carry your scenario a step further, would you agree that if I leave my bike unlocked, that someone with the proper credentials should be able to take it? I mean as long as they use it for personal use, or they are non-profit, it would be acceptable, right? Why would that be any different from stealing intellectual property? |
Flawed analogy. You'd have to have a bike that someone could run a scanner over and make a copy of. You then still have your bike, to do with what you want, and someone else would be able to enjoy riding a bike.
NOW, that's not to say I agree with running around, willy nilly, making copies of bikes to ride around. I do believe in a simple gesture of respect and asking the photographer first. Unfortunately, as we've seen over the last few days here, respect is in short supply, so it doesn't surprise me at all that some people are getting a little bent out of shape over the loss of their sense of entitlements. |
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11/20/2009 12:46:47 PM · #86 |
Based on the number and nature of the complaints about this, it seems this protection has been needed more than I would have thought. I had previously assumed that a group of photographers would Respect each other's work, only use it with permission.
But Respect has been in shorter supply here, lately. [eta: just noticed K10DGuy said the same exact thing: wow, it's like lookin in a fun-house mirror :-) ]
Thanks, SC, for doing this.
Message edited by author 2009-11-20 12:51:28. |
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11/20/2009 12:55:11 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by chromeydome:
Based on the number and nature of the complaints about this, it seems this protection has been needed more than I would have thought. I had previously assumed that a group of photographers would Respect each other's work, only use it with permission.
But Respect has been in shorter supply here, lately. [eta: just noticed K10DGuy said the same exact thing: wow, it's like lookin in a fun-house mirror :-) ]
Thanks, SC, for doing this. |
Bam wow Chopper! We're cut from the same cloth, but one side is velvet, and the other is carpet glue. |
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11/20/2009 01:08:10 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by chromeydome:
Based on the number and nature of the complaints about this, it seems this protection has been needed more than I would have thought. I had previously assumed that a group of photographers would Respect each other's work, only use it with permission.
But Respect has been in shorter supply here, lately. [eta: just noticed K10DGuy said the same exact thing: wow, it's like lookin in a fun-house mirror :-) ]
Thanks, SC, for doing this. |
Bam wow Chopper! We're cut from the same cloth, but one side is velvet, and the other is carpet glue. |
yea, and the glue holds my toupee on nicely when I want to go incogchromedomenito! |
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11/20/2009 01:20:45 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by FireBird:
Originally posted by kandykarml:
uhhhhhhhh, why do you think you have the right to take anyones image & use it for your own personal use ??? I'm totally curious about this..... |
So you will be the first to cast a stone, and accept all that goes with this? |
I don't know what this means... If you are saying that I will be the first to call out what I think is wrong, then yes... And, I HAVE NEVER TAKEN ANYONE'S IMAGE and used it for my own personal use... Apparently I'm the idiot that goes to EZbackgrounds and actually pays for images.. I'm the moron who goes onto stock sites and actually buys those silly little credits and uses them to PURCHASE the image to use AS IT'S SPECIFIED... So, yeah, consider the stone cast...
It's insane to me that someone will actually say, "I take the images and use them for my wallpaper cause I want it too look pretty"... OH, and then follows it up with "I don't think there's anything wrong with that"... If I like your furniture and come over to your house to find the door unlocked, would you mind if I just helped myself to your couch cause I want my living room to look pretty... Unfrickenreal !!!!!!!!!
If you don't have a problem with people swiping your images and using them as they see fit, then upload them into your workshop and let the masses have at it.. I on the other hand, prefer it if someone wants to use my image, they ASK... And, no need to point out that no one wants to use my images cause I'm not a ribbon/award winning photog... I have had an image stolen from this site and it's used on porn sites... and, I wish they would have at least asked, cause I probably would have laughed and said yes.. :-) |
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11/20/2009 01:21:17 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by chromeydome:
Based on the number and nature of the complaints about this, it seems this protection has been needed more than I would have thought. I had previously assumed that a group of photographers would Respect each other's work, only use it with permission.
But Respect has been in shorter supply here, lately. [eta: just noticed K10DGuy said the same exact thing: wow, it's like lookin in a fun-house mirror :-) ]
Thanks, SC, for doing this. |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Bam wow Chopper! We're cut from the same cloth, but one side is velvet, and the other is carpet glue. |
Originally posted by chromeydome:
yea, and the glue holds my toupee on nicely when I want to go incogchromedomenito! |
You guys are scarin' me a leetle bit!
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11/20/2009 01:31:50 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by kandykarml:
If I like your furniture and come over to your house to find the door unlocked, would you mind if I just helped myself to your couch cause I want my living room to look pretty... Unfrickenreal !!!!!!!!! |
This really is a completely different, and incomparable analogy.
If you could on any level justify how this is the same thing, it might have some credence.
But you're talking about imagery versus tangible objects being removed......it simply isn't the same.
Originally posted by kandykarml:
If you don't have a problem with people swiping your images and using them as they see fit, then upload them into your workshop and let the masses have at it. |
I don't necessarily want everyone and anyone swiping my images, but I don't lay awake at night worrying about the possibility and how I can thwart it, either.
It just isn't a big deal to some of us.
At this point, I can certainly live with some concessions being made to try and help y'all that are adamant about protection, but try to remember that there are others here that will not be able to do some of the little things we used to do, like helping each other with edits, or simply linking friends to portfolio images that they may download without going to some extra steps.
For the same reasons that you want protections, we don't want it to be a hassle every time we try to do something with our images on the site.
This WILL affect some of the user-friendliness of the side challenges in a big way.
Don't forget that every action has consequences.
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11/20/2009 02:03:57 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
... try to remember that there are others here that will not be able to do some of the little things we used to do, like helping each other with edits, or simply linking friends to portfolio images that they may download without going to some extra steps. ... |
It's been mentioned numerous times now that you can do what you want with your photos (share with others, allow right-click save, etc...) by putting an image in your workshop folder. |
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11/20/2009 02:07:11 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by kandykarml:
If I like your furniture and come over to your house to find the door unlocked, would you mind if I just helped myself to your couch cause I want my living room to look pretty... Unfrickenreal !!!!!!!!! |
This really is a completely different, and incomparable analogy.
If you could on any level justify how this is the same thing, it might have some credence.
But you're talking about imagery versus tangible objects being removed......it simply isn't the same.
Originally posted by kandykarml:
If you don't have a problem with people swiping your images and using them as they see fit, then upload them into your workshop and let the masses have at it. |
I don't necessarily want everyone and anyone swiping my images, but I don't lay awake at night worrying about the possibility and how I can thwart it, either.
It just isn't a big deal to some of us.
At this point, I can certainly live with some concessions being made to try and help y'all that are adamant about protection, but try to remember that there are others here that will not be able to do some of the little things we used to do, like helping each other with edits, or simply linking friends to portfolio images that they may download without going to some extra steps.
For the same reasons that you want protections, we don't want it to be a hassle every time we try to do something with our images on the site.
This WILL affect some of the user-friendliness of the side challenges in a big way.
Don't forget that every action has consequences. |
I, for one, am thankful that 'ease of use' doesn't trump attempts at increased security.
People will eventually get used to putting their photos in their workshops and linking them when they want help with a photo.
You will eventually learn to take the extra 30 seconds to copy an image you want to link to friends into your workshop, or keep a portfolio site active to send friends and family to.
Maybe it's a little bit a of a frustration when one has been used to one way for so long, but times change, and we'd better change with them.
To make it clear, I have never had a problem NOT having these features in place myself, but I see the point of it, and I agree with it. If it means that I have to make a little concession, so be it. The needs of the many outweigh the wants of a few :D |
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11/20/2009 02:12:51 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
For the same reasons that you want protections, we don't want it to be a hassle every time we try to do something with our images on the site. |
This shouldn't interfere with that. Nothing changes as far as working with your own images, and the change is invisible to viewers. If you share an image from your Workshop folder or a size larger than 800px, those will work just as they always have. |
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11/20/2009 02:16:52 PM · #95 |
Ahhhh so that's why those bikini images I downloaded were all dots upon viewing them while relaxing in my cigar jacket with a glass of cognac by the fireplace.
hmmm
I like this and thanks for trying it out. ;| |
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11/20/2009 02:20:14 PM · #96 |
I have just saved, and checked, the winner of the symmetry challenge. I use IE, highlight the picture, go to 'control the current page' on top, move the curser to 'save page as' (alt highlight and ctrl+s) and the pic is saved. Drag and drop the pic I have from that file to isolate it from all the 'junk' and erase the downloaded file.
Doubt if anything can ever be made foolproof once posted on the web. |
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11/20/2009 02:28:31 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
... try to remember that there are others here that will not be able to do some of the little things we used to do, like helping each other with edits, or simply linking friends to portfolio images that they may download without going to some extra steps. ... |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
It's been mentioned numerous times now that you can do what you want with your photos (share with others, allow right-click save, etc...) by putting an image in your workshop folder. |
Can we do thumbnails posted openly in the forums for Workshop images so that in the side challenges we could right click on them for ease of editing?
ETA: The thumb shows up for me.....can you see it, and can you right click 'n save it?
Message edited by author 2009-11-20 14:29:33.
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11/20/2009 02:33:39 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
For the same reasons that you want protections, we don't want it to be a hassle every time we try to do something with our images on the site. |
Originally posted by scalvert:
This shouldn't interfere with that. Nothing changes as far as working with your own images, and the change is invisible to viewers. If you share an image from your Workshop folder or a size larger than 800px, those will work just as they always have. |
I have changed my perspective on this issue simply because so many others want it.
So be it. My only concern is that it *not* get hard, or non-user friendly for non-site users that I'd want to link here.
Not that I do it a lot, but I hate what you have to go through on most image sharing sites with the whole registering/secret handshake thing just to view an image or two.
Most of the time I don't need the access......it's just nice when I do.
I can link Workshop or make'em bigger than 800.
It just needs to be bigger than 800px on one side, right?
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11/20/2009 02:45:57 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
It just needs to be bigger than 800px on one side, right? |
Yep, anything over challenge size will give you the "View full-sized image" link, and that photo won't have an overlay. |
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11/20/2009 02:51:50 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
... try to remember that there are others here that will not be able to do some of the little things we used to do, like helping each other with edits, or simply linking friends to portfolio images that they may download without going to some extra steps. ... |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
It's been mentioned numerous times now that you can do what you want with your photos (share with others, allow right-click save, etc...) by putting an image in your workshop folder. |
Can we do thumbnails posted openly in the forums for Workshop images so that in the side challenges we could right click on them for ease of editing?
ETA: The thumb shows up for me.....can you see it, and can you right click 'n save it? |
Clicked the thumb, then dragged and dropped to the desktop, no issue.And you can right click too. So you can still share workshop images no issue.
Message edited by author 2009-11-20 14:52:14. |
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