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11/19/2009 03:14:14 PM · #126 |
I like the average vote cast, because it is a reminder that a 3 from one person means something vastly different than a 3 from another person. I think that it's a fascinating stat that I would hate to see disappear.
I also do not alter my vote because of my average cast numbers. I'm curious, after I vote on a challenge, on how I voted on that particular challenge. But I don't pay attention to my overall average vote cast. I don't vote 1 2s and 3s often, because I don't think that the quality of the photos here are that low. |
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11/19/2009 04:26:33 PM · #127 |
Originally posted by AJSullivan:
It really is a stat that serves no purpose for the general public to see outside of using it as a tool against other users. |
I finally agree with you on something!
Instead of going back and reading over 100 posts in this thread, did  Langdon ever offer a reason why this stat is displayed?
Notice that I'm asking Langdon. Anyone else that answers would be speculating (unless he has told you himself, or his reason is posted and I didn't read it).
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11/19/2009 04:28:37 PM · #128 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Paul - I don't think that's what is being said here in general. In some cases, as people have pointed out in various threads, people have altered the way they vote BECAUSE of trying to keep their avg vote cast at a certain level or higher. For example, not using the entire scale anymore and only voting 5 or higher BECAUSE they don't want to lower their avg vote cast. |
I'm certainly one of these. In my particular aesthetic world, *most* of what is entered in DPC challenges is pretty average photography. Viewed on a "global" scale that's still pretty good; *most* photography, out in the real world, is pretty uninspiring except to those who are connected to it.
Anyway, what I have ended up doing is almost never voting lower than a 4, because when I used the 1,2, and 3 votes regularly I had a REALLY low average vote cast and it bothered me. I was asked to explain it more than once. So I just lump most work in the "average" and "not quite average" category and let it go.
Personally, I'd prefer that "average vote cast" was not a visible stat... |
Yeah, what Robert said!
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11/19/2009 05:34:19 PM · #129 |
5 pages on whether we should have a quiet unobtrusive stat removed ? Golly things must be quiet at the moment :- )
Personally I think it is quite an interesting stat, but like all stats is open to many interpretations - and I struggle to see why it is any more contentious than any other stat displayed . I'm sure there are people that look up how many challenges a person has won before deciding whether their opinion is 'worthy' or not, or how many ribbons they have won, challenges entered or whatever.
But at the end of the day it simply reflect your average vote given. This is the one you have chosen of your own free will to give in the quiet anonymity of your own home. It doesn't say what you gave to whom, just the average. And if the average is very low - then maybe it is right to wonder whether you should move it up ? It's always concerning if we have people who give out a low average score - but hope to receive a high one for their work so they can ribbon, how does that work ?
Maybe our average score given is a little bit like a public conscience - and maybe sometimes that is no bad thing. It doesn't mean you have to give artificially high scores to mundane picture .. just that maybe we should give good scores to good pictures, and if a picture is really that bad, give them a break and leave an instructive comment rather than slam them with a '1' and no explanantion.
Or maybe I've just had a long day and feel a bit cranky :-) |
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11/19/2009 05:40:20 PM · #130 |
Originally posted by Jedusi:
Or maybe I've just had a long day and feel a bit cranky :-) |
If that's your "cranky", you must be very even-tempered. :-)
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11/19/2009 05:48:47 PM · #131 |
Originally posted by citymars:
Originally posted by Jedusi:
Or maybe I've just had a long day and feel a bit cranky :-) |
If that's your "cranky", you must be very even-tempered. :-) |
Hey you know - I try - just don't ask my kids their opinion . .
:- ) |
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11/19/2009 10:17:17 PM · #132 |
Originally posted by Jedusi:
And if the average is very low - then maybe it is right to wonder whether you should move it up ? It's always concerning if we have people who give out a low average score - but hope to receive a high one for their work so they can ribbon, how does that work ? |
I can speak only for myself, not sure about the others. My vote cast stats show average below 5. But it does not mean I don't vote high for many photos. I just consider the full scale when voting, from 1 to 10. If most photos are worthy of 5 to 10 scores in a particular challenge, my average vote cast at that challenge will be higher than 5. And vice versa. I'm just honest and having criteria.
With that said, if one day I enter a photo that I really believe deserves a ribbon, I will then expect to be among the few stunning photos on that particular challenge, for most voters. What I mean is, if people vote with a reasonable criteria (read, 1 being bad and 10 being good), and if most people likes my photo, it will be scored high for most people and hence I'll probably win a ribbon. This does not mean I want to have a high score because people should vote high to keep their vote cast stat high. I want to be scored high and to win a ribbon because most voters stop and say "wow, what a wonderfull photograph!"
So, at least for me, there isn't a connection between my vote cast stat and my desire to win a ribbon.
I hope I was able to answer your question about how does that work.
Message edited by author 2009-11-20 06:04:57.
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11/19/2009 11:03:42 PM · #133 |
Originally posted by Jedusi:
And if the average is very low - then maybe it is right to wonder whether you should move it up ? It's always concerning if we have people who give out a low average score - but hope to receive a high one for their work so they can ribbon, how does that work ? |
Originally posted by marcusvdt:
I can speak only for myself, not sure about the others. My vote cast stats show average below 5. But it does not mean I don't vote high for many photos. I just consider the full scale when voting, from 1 to 10. If most photos are worthy of 5 to 10 scores in a particular challenge, my average vote cast at that challenge will be higher than 5. And vice versa. I'm just honest and criterious. |
But that's precisely the point. You use the words "worthy" "honest", and I'm, guessing that your invented word "criterious" means that you have a certain set of standards to judge images.......
If your worthy, honest & criterious standards garner you flak from the participants, then maybe it's worth a look to revamping your standards to a slightly higher scale.
Honest and worthy are quite subjective and relative......there's no shame, or compromise, in adjusting your relativity as it pertains to them.
The problem is that everyone has their standards of what the good, bad, and the ugly entail on their personal scale.......if you don't want to have to defend it, why not move the whole index up the scale? If you continue to vote consistently across the board, just a little higher, then you're just shifting the line, not actually changing your voting style.
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11/19/2009 11:24:01 PM · #134 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Jedusi:
And if the average is very low - then maybe it is right to wonder whether you should move it up ? It's always concerning if we have people who give out a low average score - but hope to receive a high one for their work so they can ribbon, how does that work ? |
Originally posted by marcusvdt:
I can speak only for myself, not sure about the others. My vote cast stats show average below 5. But it does not mean I don't vote high for many photos. I just consider the full scale when voting, from 1 to 10. If most photos are worthy of 5 to 10 scores in a particular challenge, my average vote cast at that challenge will be higher than 5. And vice versa. I'm just honest and criterious. |
But that's precisely the point. You use the words "worthy" "honest", and I'm, guessing that your invented word "criterious" means that you have a certain set of standards to judge images.......
If your worthy, honest & criterious standards garner you flak from the participants, then maybe it's worth a look to revamping your standards to a slightly higher scale.
Honest and worthy are quite subjective and relative......there's no shame, or compromise, in adjusting your relativity as it pertains to them.
The problem is that everyone has their standards of what the good, bad, and the ugly entail on their personal scale.......if you don't want to have to defend it, why not move the whole index up the scale? If you continue to vote consistently across the board, just a little higher, then you're just shifting the line, not actually changing your voting style. |
sorry, kind of translation from portuguese to something that does not exist in english hehehehehe...
criterious should mean having criteria, measures, standards, etc.
Next time I will use an existent word.
And regarding my scale, if I do what you said, I'd not be respecting the score difference between the very very bad photo (which I score 1) from the very very good and perfect photo (which I score 10). And between them there are many other photos that will follow the right scoring according to their quality and impact, in my opinion of course. So, a photo that I score with 3, for me, deserves 3 and not 2 or 4, because there are others that will fit on 2 or 4. And one which I score 9, deserves 9, not 10. If there is not a photo that deserves a 10 on a particular challenge, that's ok, I will still keep that 9 as 9, not 10.
You suggest kind of thing which is not logic for me and I repeat what I said before somewhere, if you will vote only from 5 to 10, why 1 to 4 exist at all? And if they remove 1 to 4, should we then vote only from 8 to 10 to avoid having a low vote cast average?
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11/20/2009 06:10:31 AM · #135 |
Originally posted by marcusvdt:
sorry, kind of translation from portuguese to something that does not exist in english hehehehehe...
criterious should mean having criteria, measures, standards, etc.
Next time I will use an existent word. |
Yeah....I knew what you meant. Just having a little fun. Some days I think English is a second language for me, too.
Originally posted by marcusvdt:
And regarding my scale, if I do what you said, I'd not be respecting the score difference between the very very bad photo (which I score 1) from the very very good and perfect photo (which I score 10). And between them there are many other photos that will follow the right scoring according to their quality and impact, in my opinion of course. So, a photo that I score with 3, for me, deserves 3 and not 2 or 4, because there are others that will fit on 2 or 4. And one which I score 9, deserves 9, not 10. If there is not a photo that deserves a 10 on a particular challenge, that's ok, I will still keep that 9 as 9, not 10.
You suggest kind of thing which is not logic for me and I repeat what I said before somewhere, if you will vote only from 5 to 10, why 1 to 4 exist at all? And if they remove 1 to 4, should we then vote only from 8 to 10 to avoid having a low vote cast average? |
Here's the thing.......I'm just offering a point of view, and an option to keep the dogs at bay.
Ultimately, you must be true to how YOU feel you should vote.
If someone gives you a rough time about it, ignore them, report them. or simply tell them that your vote/comment is as honest as you can be. Then let them deal with it or not.
Nobody can tell you how to vote.
What you're telling me is that you have a set system in place that works for you.
Stick to it!
Message edited by author 2009-11-20 06:11:47.
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11/20/2009 11:22:08 AM · #136 |
... nevermind.
Message edited by author 2009-11-20 16:46:03. |
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