Our Little Joey is in the Big Time

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10/13/2009 04:18:07 PM · #51

Its a downer that any praise he gets is always qualified by his age.

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Zigomar

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10/13/2009 04:22:36 PM · #52

Originally posted by AJSullivan:

Yeah, but now a days, hes charging for information you can essentially get for free all over the internet...plus that high price point just encourages piracy as well.

Anyway, he's not really from the last century, he started with serious photography like 3-4 years ago. The information has always been there, it's up to you wheather you want to collect it or you want a digested version.

yanko

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10/13/2009 04:23:17 PM · #53

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

Somethings will not be on the DVD, If he gives up all his secrets he could lose business to others who start cloning his style.

There are many professional photographers out there with very similar styles not to mention countless non-pros so I doubt he's all that worried about someone else copying his style. Besides, that's not what will keep him in the business anyway. Everyone expects your work to look great and his does. What he has to do on top of that is build trust, which leads to long term relationships, which leads to name recognition, which leads to more work. Some Joe Schmo who has learned all of Joey's tricks won't get the Nike job simply because he mimics Joey. He won't get the job because he's Joe Schmo. I'm sure Joey would absolutely love it if EVERYONE copied his style as that will only make him more famous.

10/13/2009 04:25:39 PM · #54

Originally posted by AJSullivan:

Yeah, but now a days, hes charging for information you can essentially get for free all over the internet...plus that high price point just encourages piracy as well.

This is sort of missing the point, IMO: people who buy that DVD want to know exactly how Joey does it. The information is, of course, available elsewhere on the internet, and for free, but that's a lot more information out there than can easily be digested. Trying to reconstruct Joey's processes from that unlimited information would be a real hit-or-miss process. Why NOT get it straight from the horse's mouth, if you can afford it and if that's what you want?

R.

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10/13/2009 04:35:53 PM · #55

Originally posted by AJSullivan:

Its a downer that any praise he gets is always qualified by his age.

Qualified or punctuated? I think you confuse the two of them.

There is no argument that what Joey "does" is available through the web or other resources. Just as what a lawyer or doctor "does" is available as well. The value is in the "inspirational" aspect of witnessing someone who has applied this "accessible" knowledge and made use of it to create an extraordinary adventure out of it.

All of the words you can ever need are available in a dictionary. Only a few people know how to put them together to and create a literary wonder. All of the colors you can imagine can be applied to a canvass but only a few masters can create a composition worthy of mention.

It is an unfortunate aspect of human nature that we seek a perverse self validation by trivializing the success of others when we really should be looking at them as leaders in their craft. Action is what has allowed him the joy he is experiencing and pride is the inaction that cripples those who merely sit back and watch with a cynical eye.

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MAK

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10/13/2009 04:43:48 PM · #56

Keep on being cool Joey, keep on rockin man, and keep on making wonderful art bro, all the very best of British to ya matey

10/13/2009 05:00:18 PM · #57

Originally posted by Ivo:

Oh, bingo! Nicely stated!

Now look for the disgruntled posts from those who say he ain't all that, that others have done it before him, that he is not a "leader in his craft" but is, in fact, just a follower...

R.

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10/13/2009 05:02:45 PM · #58

Originally posted by Ivo:

Originally posted by AJSullivan:
Its a downer that any praise he gets is always qualified by his age.

Qualified or punctuated? I think you confuse the two of them.

I think its both. I think it goes both ways. I think he gets a lot more coverage than he would if he was doing the same work at 40. I tend to feel that anytime that you focus on a characteristic like age, race, religion, etc, that it tends to overshadow and also makes it seem like that is the reason that you are talking about them. I mean he is a great photographer no matter what age, but I think that too much focus gets put on his age and that detracts from his actual talent.

10/13/2009 05:04:30 PM · #59

There is some amazing twisting of words in this thread, but as I said before, since dude is a former poster, there is a lot of hero worship and protecting thier own.

10/13/2009 05:04:33 PM · #60

Originally posted by AJSullivan:

Well, yeah... but that's what makes him *newsworthy*, don'tcha know? ;-)

R.

10/13/2009 05:07:27 PM · #61

Its like when everyone was going nuts over those images that were shot by some homeless dude. The images weren't that great, but everyone was all hot over them, because they were shot by the homeless dude. How can he be able to work a camera! Hes homeless! My god!

Its kind of like that with Joey, in a sense, except he does take great images, but people get all boned up because hes doing it and hes young, instead of just being stoked on his work because its good.

10/13/2009 05:12:54 PM · #62

Originally posted by AJSullivan:

Its kind of like that with Joey, in a sense, except he does take great images, but people get all boned up because hes doing it and hes young, instead of just being stoked on his work because its good.

That he is *good* is kind of baseline, it's a given. He wouldn't be getting any attention at all if he wasn't good. The *story* is that he's precocious, and it's a hell of a story. That's the extraordinary part. It's not just Joey. Anytime a kid, in any field (sports, academia, the arts, whatever), bursts onto the scene like a skyrocket, performing at a level of expertise and maturity beyond his/her years, that generates a lot of hype. And rightly so, in my opinion. It's downright inspiring.

We long-time DPCers watched him grow, and his success thrills us. Those of us who are still capable of simple enthusiasm, unencumbered by jealousy, anyway.

R.

ETA: I'm not saying YOU are motivated by jealousy, BTW; you are just exploring the fame phenomenon, giving your perspective on it. But there are others...

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Azrifel

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10/13/2009 05:14:08 PM · #63

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Kiwiness? whither art thou?

Working on setting up a model agency last time I saw him. And fully back into sports after I beat him one time on the bicycle.

10/13/2009 05:25:11 PM · #64

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by AJSullivan:
Its kind of like that with Joey, in a sense, except he does take great images, but people get all boned up because hes doing it and hes young, instead of just being stoked on his work because its good.

That he is *good* is kind of baseline, it's a given. He wouldn't be getting any attention at all if he wasn't good. The *story* is that he's precocious, and it's a hell of a story. That's the extraordinary part. It's not just Joey. Anytime a kid, in any field (sports, academia, the arts, whatever), bursts onto the scene like a skyrocket, performing at a level of expertise and maturity beyond his/her years, that generates a lot of hype. And rightly so, in my opinion. It's downright inspiring.

We long-time DPCers watched him grow, and his success thrills us. Those of us who are still capable of simple enthusiasm, unencumbered by jealousy, anyway.

R.

ETA: I'm not saying YOU are motivated by jealousy, BTW; you are just exploring the fame phenomenon, giving your perspective on it. But there are others...

Yeah, it always just annoys me, cause I always feel it takes something from the person, but then after looking at that site posted up top, he even exploits it in there, so I guess he knows what turns people on.

Also - im insanely jealous, what photographer wouldn't be?

10/13/2009 05:29:09 PM · #65

Originally posted by AJSullivan:

Also - im insanely jealous, what photographer wouldn't be?

A self-confident one? I have never felt a shred of jealousy over Joey, for example. But some would say that's easy for me, because I have had my day in the sun, so to speak. But even at my brightest, I was never a Joey :-)

R.

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10/13/2009 05:35:45 PM · #66

Originally posted by AJSullivan:

Also - im insanely jealous, what photographer wouldn't be?

Then transform yourself into someone who is benefiting from a path similar to his. That is the "secret". ;-)

zxaar

10/13/2009 05:36:11 PM · #67

Originally posted by AJSullivan:

There is some amazing twisting of words in this thread, but as I said before, since dude is a former poster, there is a lot of hero worship and protecting thier own.

yepp true.

K3Master

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10/13/2009 06:27:26 PM · #68

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by AJSullivan:
Also - im insanely jealous, what photographer wouldn't be?

A self-confident one?
R.

Exactly. Well, tell the truth, I'm not all that self-confident, but I have not a shred of jealousy either. Some people make it, and other people don't. My talents lie along another path as far as professionally. It does kill me to see people gush about ANYONE though, really. They're still people. They still have their flaws and issues, they still eat and poop. I don't think that what Joey is doing is any different than what my neighbor is doing, day to day. They go out, they work, and they are successful in different ways.

So threads like this just tend to make me roll my eyes, more than anything.

10/13/2009 06:37:33 PM · #69

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

So threads like this just tend to make me roll my eyes, more than anything.

I agree. ;-)

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10/13/2009 06:38:12 PM · #70

Oops. Double post. :-o

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K3Master

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10/13/2009 06:56:41 PM · #71

Originally posted by Ivo:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:
So threads like this just tend to make me roll my eyes, more than anything.

I agree. ;-)

Yah. If only we could control people :D

ETA: Oh yah, but nice try. Find a thread where I'm actually praising anyone in such a manner, and I'll take your 'hypocrite' hint a little more seriously ;D

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