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 09/23/2009 09:28:29 AM · #51
Originally posted by vawendy:
I haven't looked at the photos, so I shouldn't be commenting, (but of course I will!)

Is is possible that the people doing macros are trying to show a deep DOF in a shot where it's very difficult? For instance, the second place winner, from the last depth of field challenge, photographed a guitar. The DOF is only 6 about 3-5 feet at most, but it's extremely difficult to get that deep of a depth of field for that type of set up. I actually thought about doing a macro, but getting a dof that's very hard to get in a macro. Could other people be thinking along the same lines? For instance, taking a macro from the front of a grasshopper, it is very difficult to get the whole grasshopper in focus. They could be doing the same thing with macro that the guitar person did.

Just saying, keep an open mind about the type of photograph and the corresponding DOF.

disclaimer: haven't looked at the shots, and I'm in the other challenge--not this one.

That concludes our public service announcement.

let me know when you get time to look through them. There are many with one front object in focus and a large, oof background. This to me says shallow DOF, am I wrong?
edit for spelling

Message edited by author 2009-09-23 09:29:10.
 09/23/2009 09:30:57 AM · #52
Depth of score = Shallow

Votes: 43
Views: 67
Avg Vote: 4.5814
Comments: 1

I am on pace for a new personal worst. I don't really care though because I am proud of the image and it looks much better larger :). At the risk of sounding cocky, I think this low score is more a reflection of the "subtle" nuiances of DPC voters than the failure of my photogaphy.

I am curious to see where my score wanders...

Message edited by author 2009-09-23 09:32:00.
 09/23/2009 09:35:40 AM · #53
Originally posted by okiesisi:
There are many with one front object in focus and a large, oof background. This to me says shallow DOF, am I wrong?

You are correct. I think what may have happened is that some people have only heard the term Depth Of Field used in conjunction with getting a blurry background to create the impression of dimension and depth, so they are thinking that that is a deep DOF. Ouch.

Just my own theory.
 09/23/2009 09:38:03 AM · #54
I just joined this site, even though I'm not new to digital photography. I was confused on the challange photos "Deep DOF". I thought this meant that photo should be sharp from A-Z, the F-stop used should be atleast F-16 onwards and good use of hyperfocal length. I found there are atleast 50% entries which are shallow DOF or very soft in focus. Am I wrong here in understanding?
 09/23/2009 09:48:04 AM · #55
Originally posted by vandanab:
I just joined this site, even though I'm not new to digital photography. I was confused on the challange photos "Deep DOF". I thought this meant that photo should be sharp from A-Z, the F-stop used should be atleast F-16 onwards and good use of hyperfocal length. I found there are atleast 50% entries which are shallow DOF or very soft in focus. Am I wrong here in understanding?

I am with you, (been here a long time, but still new to all these photo term and techniques). I was under the thinking that DEEP DOF meant a photo of some distance(whatever that may be) where the entire distance is in focus.
I am just hoping I don't get beat by a bunch of shallow DOF shots. I thought the point of having the challenges was to try and meet them, but if its just about good pics, I will stick with what I know and not try to meet the challenge!

Message edited by author 2009-09-23 09:50:32.
 09/23/2009 09:56:23 AM · #56
Originally posted by vawendy:
I haven't looked at the photos, so I shouldn't be commenting, (but of course I will!)

Is is possible that the people doing macros are trying to show a deep DOF in a shot where it's very difficult? For instance, the second place winner, from the last depth of field challenge, photographed a guitar. The DOF is only 6 about 3-5 feet at most, but it's extremely difficult to get that deep of a depth of field for that type of set up. I actually thought about doing a macro, but getting a dof that's very hard to get in a macro. Could other people be thinking along the same lines? For instance, taking a macro from the front of a grasshopper, it is very difficult to get the whole grasshopper in focus. They could be doing the same thing with macro that the guitar person did.

Just saying, keep an open mind about the type of photograph and the corresponding DOF.

disclaimer: haven't looked at the shots, and I'm in the other challenge--not this one.

That concludes our public service announcement.


well said. thank you
 09/23/2009 09:59:54 AM · #57
I guess I have to agree that if I see a bug macro taken at a distance of 5mm from the subject, and the entire bug is in focus, that would be a deep DOF for such a subject. It's not what most voters are thinking of, however.
 09/23/2009 10:02:12 AM · #58
Originally posted by denbote:


well said. thank you


That might be the case for a couple of images and Wendy did say she hadn't viewed them all, there are most definately way too many shallow dof images in this challenge and sadly they should pay the price for either not reading the challenge correctly or not understanding what a deep dof is (I fully understand the macro shots but if they can't get a decent dof then again they would suffer in the voting).
 09/23/2009 10:13:20 AM · #59
I agree there are a lot that do not meet the challenge (shallow DOF) but wow there are some spectacular photos! I can't wait to see what those people enter for the free study.
 09/23/2009 10:15:40 AM · #60
Originally posted by vandanab:
I just joined this site, even though I'm not new to digital photography. I was confused on the challange photos "Deep DOF". I thought this meant that photo should be sharp from A-Z, the F-stop used should be atleast F-16 onwards and good use of hyperfocal length. I found there are atleast 50% entries which are shallow DOF or very soft in focus. Am I wrong here in understanding?


I think people are getting a bit hung up on the concept of having to use a small aperture ie high F number.
For example using an 18mm lens on my D200 set at F8. If I adjust the focus ring to be at 2.04m, the hyperfocal distance for that configuration,
then everything from 1.02m to infinity is in acceptible focus.

Just have a go you may be impressed with the results

Message edited by author 2009-09-23 10:16:04.
 09/23/2009 10:18:45 AM · #61
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Originally posted by denbote:


well said. thank you


That might be the case for a couple of images and Wendy did say she hadn't viewed them all, there are most definately way too many shallow dof images in this challenge and sadly they should pay the price for either not reading the challenge correctly or not understanding what a deep dof is (I fully understand the macro shots but if they can't get a decent dof then again they would suffer in the voting).


The annoying thing is I bet a shallow DOF image makes the top 10
 09/23/2009 10:26:15 AM · #62
You have rated 152 of 152 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.9211.

There are some beautiful beautiful shots..its a treat to see some of those! And as everyone mentioned, some really shallow DOF in a not not shallow challenge!

Will be commenting on most later through the day!
09/23/2009 10:29:11 AM · #63
Stats: You have rated 151 of 152 images (99%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 19 images (13%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.4040.

Some images come from Bizarro World, with regards to a straight-forward interpretation of the challenge description. Thank goodness there are quite a few good images which meet the challenge. My votes were as widely distributed as any challenge I've voted on recently. Barbell distribution. Somehow, there was a breakdown of communication, understanding and education about this challenge.
 09/23/2009 11:38:58 AM · #64
i'm one of the offenders of a shallow DOF submission. My first entry, I misunderstood the definition, and I apologize. How do I remove a submission?

- Joe
 09/23/2009 11:42:17 AM · #65
Originally posted by jmulvihill:
i'm one of the offenders of a shallow DOF submission. My first entry, I misunderstood the definition, and I apologize. How do I remove a submission?

- Joe


Based on my understanding, until you have 25 challenges under you belt, you cannot remove an image from challenges. A self-DQ is allowed once every 25 challenge entries by a user.

You can ride out the wave and take this as a learning experience. Cheers!
 09/23/2009 11:49:23 AM · #66
Originally posted by jmulvihill:
i'm one of the offenders of a shallow DOF submission. My first entry, I misunderstood the definition, and I apologize. How do I remove a submission?

- Joe


Hey Joe respect to you for coming on here and saying that.
Just let it run and don't take any of the negative comments to heart eh lol

If you ever want any clarification on challenges or rules just post on here or PM someone; most people here are more then happy to help.
 09/23/2009 12:00:14 PM · #67
Originally posted by jmulvihill:
i'm one of the offenders of a shallow DOF submission. My first entry, I misunderstood the definition, and I apologize.

You weren't the only one. As said before, call it a learning experience.

I've seen many times in the S5 group on Flickr, where someone posted asking how they can achieve a "depth of field effect" with their compact camera. What they were really wanting was to get the out of focus background that they have seen elsewhere, and from the context they had seen it used in, thought that was what the term meant.

You can almost always find a discussion of the topic during the submission week. Sometimes the discussion can help to answer questions, sometimes it may confuse you more.

If you haven't gotten it yet, you can look forward to a similar comment from me. Welcome to the madhouse!

09/23/2009 12:04:44 PM · #68
"The annoying thing is I bet a shallow DOF image makes the top 10"

The last time I voted in a challenge where the rules were not followed by so many, and where I gave low scores for not following directions (to be fair to those who did follow the rules), all my comments and votes were deleted!!! I have not commented on photos since then. It made me wonder if I somehow gave the wrong person a low vote.

Message edited by author 2009-09-23 12:05:51.
 09/23/2009 12:07:02 PM · #69
Originally posted by Scholten:
"The annoying thing is I bet a shallow DOF image makes the top 10"

The last time I voted in a challenge where the rules were not followed by so many, and where I gave low scores for not following directions (to be fair to those who did follow the rules), all my comments and votes were deleted!!! I have not commented on photos since then. It made me wonder if I somehow gave the wrong person a low vote.


wow... did you vote on at least 20% of the entries?
 09/23/2009 12:08:56 PM · #70
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
Originally posted by Scholten:
"The annoying thing is I bet a shallow DOF image makes the top 10"

The last time I voted in a challenge where the rules were not followed by so many, and where I gave low scores for not following directions (to be fair to those who did follow the rules), all my comments and votes were deleted!!! I have not commented on photos since then. It made me wonder if I somehow gave the wrong person a low vote.


wow... did you vote on at least 20% of the entries?


YES 100%
 09/23/2009 12:09:51 PM · #71
you must've had a really low vote average to get your votes scrubbed.
 09/23/2009 12:10:51 PM · #72
Originally posted by Cuttooth:
you must've had a really low vote average to get your votes scrubbed.


Yup
 09/23/2009 12:20:59 PM · #73
Votes: 57
Views: 96
Avg Vote: 5.8947
Comments: 1 (and it's a really nice one, so early in the voting - what a tickle!!)
09/23/2009 01:45:45 PM · #74
Dang...had a great shot that might have actually done ok with all the Shallow DOFs.....too bad my camera battery died while I was downloading and I missed the rollover (again).

Good luck to all!
 09/23/2009 02:03:08 PM · #75
I skipped voting on all the shallow DOF images.

I'm rethinking my decision and may go back and start issuing 1's and 2's, but I don't want my "Avg Vote Cast" metric to tank. :-(

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