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09/14/2009 12:51:44 AM · #51
Voted and I think there are some excellent examples of HDR photos there... and then there are some REAL dogs too. Overall though, I'm quite impressed.

Though... not with the fact that my photo's score is falling.

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09/14/2009 12:52:32 AM · #52
Originally posted by pedrobop:

Originally posted by Judi:

The last 3 HDR challenges all showcased Landscapes with nothing else in them. Anything with a person, animal or any non-landscape subject finished low. HDR is not purely about landscape.

I am seriously disappointed with the voting of late...and looking at all the low votes in this thread I wonder if the above reasoning is taking place. For the people that are voting that way...you really need to take a step back and realise that you are missing out on some truly wonderful images.

Now people with the low votes...let's get out there and override the low votes by voting on the nicely done images!!!!


I understand that HDR is not about landscapes only, but the shot's that have a lot of movement and seems to be a single capture with "fake" hdr (if that exists) deserve a good vote? I don't know about that. And speaking for me, i spent some time taking shots of things whithout much movement because i think i had to combine the shots for HDR.


Fake HDR...so that is what you are calling mine. Since when did using one exposure become FAKE HDR??? So why then did DPC start allowing PhotoMatix in Basic if it was fake. I would seriously love you to capture a moving scene, convert and process with HDR and then sit there while others told you it was FAKE!!! Bite me!
09/14/2009 12:56:42 AM · #53
Originally posted by pedrobop:

I understand that HDR is not about landscapes only, but the shot's that have a lot of movement and seems to be a single capture with "fake" hdr (if that exists) deserve a good vote? I don't know about that.

My own definition of HDR used to be that it required multiple exposures. I have also done much of what is being called "fake". I think the definition may be changing to reflect a look rather than the technique used to get there. I think the comments and votes will be all over the place and people will be trying to decide as they vote if an entry was done with multiple exposures or not. It is often hard to tell.
09/14/2009 12:56:45 AM · #54
Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by pedrobop:

Originally posted by Judi:

The last 3 HDR challenges all showcased Landscapes with nothing else in them. Anything with a person, animal or any non-landscape subject finished low. HDR is not purely about landscape.

I am seriously disappointed with the voting of late...and looking at all the low votes in this thread I wonder if the above reasoning is taking place. For the people that are voting that way...you really need to take a step back and realise that you are missing out on some truly wonderful images.

Now people with the low votes...let's get out there and override the low votes by voting on the nicely done images!!!!


I understand that HDR is not about landscapes only, but the shot's that have a lot of movement and seems to be a single capture with "fake" hdr (if that exists) deserve a good vote? I don't know about that. And speaking for me, i spent some time taking shots of things whithout much movement because i think i had to combine the shots for HDR.


Fake HDR...so that is what you are calling mine. Since when did using one exposure become FAKE HDR??? So why then did DPC start allowing PhotoMatix in Basic if it was fake. I would seriously love you to capture a moving scene, convert and process with HDR and then sit there while others told you it was FAKE!!! Bite me!


Hey, i didn't say that...i was actually asking you if that exists, i studied some things about HDR but i don't know if single images with movement can be called HDR. And i dind't see much action shots at the first HDR challenge.
But anyway, i wasn't talking about your image, and i didn't even see all the images yet.
PS: i won't bite anybody.

Message edited by author 2009-09-14 00:58:27.
09/14/2009 12:56:59 AM · #55
I don't think it's fake if you actually shot in RAW and created 3 files with different exposures. How is that different that taking the three shots? you end up with the same thing.

However, if you just shot a single jpeg and just used topaz to try to make it look hdr--that would be my definition of fake.
09/14/2009 12:57:24 AM · #56
Hmmm Today that almost sounds tempting. Chomp Chomp!!! :)

Originally posted by Judi:

Bite me!
09/14/2009 12:58:22 AM · #57
Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by jbsmithana:


Hate to burst your bubble Judi but I have a landscape in and my score started in the mid sixes (first score was a 10!) and has slowly sunk to 5.7 after 15 votes. I think there is low voting going on from those in both camps, who knows for sure. Anyway I have enjoyed to variety in the challenge.


HA!!! My bubble is bigger than yours....at least you started with a 10 and sunk to a 5.7. I am still in low 4'sw...my highest is a 4.5 so far....so there....ner...ner! My photo is worst than your photo!!


LOL! Thatís a switch! How does it feel down there?

BTW - the talk of fake HDR (using one image) is crap. I use one RAW capture often and then process it as three or five separate images at 1 to 2 stops apart. What is the difference if you use the dynamic range of RAW vs. separate shots in camera? Sometimes I have to laugh at the narrow interpretations around here.

Message edited by author 2009-09-14 01:29:08.
09/14/2009 12:59:44 AM · #58
Okay...I'm kinda dumb. I figured out that you have to update your My Home to get the latest scores....I wish I didn't though mine went down.

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Avg Vote: 5.2857

Oh well...it was still fun and I look forward to other challenges.

Message edited by author 2009-09-14 01:01:11.
09/14/2009 01:00:14 AM · #59
Originally posted by vawendy:

I don't think it's fake if you actually shot in RAW and created 3 files with different exposures. How is that different that taking the three shots? you end up with the same thing.

However, if you just shot a single jpeg and just used topaz to try to make it look hdr--that would be my definition of fake.


humm, ok. thanks.
09/14/2009 01:01:04 AM · #60
I agree, My photo is of a single shot, however I took 9 different exposures of this shot, There was too much movement and I got alot of blur when I merged them So i went with the alternative route and took the best Raw File of the batch and created 5 exposures out of it in PS then Merged to HDR. It is a very nice photo just isn't a DPC HDR photo, DPC Meaning "Digitally Processed Challenge"

Originally posted by vawendy:

I don't think it's fake if you actually shot in RAW and created 3 files with different exposures. How is that different that taking the three shots? you end up with the same thing.

However, if you just shot a single jpeg and just used topaz to try to make it look hdr--that would be my definition of fake.
09/14/2009 01:02:24 AM · #61
Originally posted by pedrobop:

Originally posted by vawendy:

I don't think it's fake if you actually shot in RAW and created 3 files with different exposures. How is that different that taking the three shots? you end up with the same thing.

However, if you just shot a single jpeg and just used topaz to try to make it look hdr--that would be my definition of fake.


humm, ok. thanks.


anytime! :D
09/14/2009 01:02:56 AM · #62
Anyway, i started this fake talk, i should end it with my medium score:

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09/14/2009 01:04:01 AM · #63
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Good luck and good night! I look forward to the morning. The score will either go up or it will go down. But one thing's for sure, life will never be the same!
09/14/2009 01:04:43 AM · #64
Originally posted by vawendy:

I don't think it's fake if you actually shot in RAW and created 3 files with different exposures. How is that different that taking the three shots? you end up with the same thing.

No you don't. 3 actual expsosures gets you more dynamic range captured. Of course a single RAW probably contains as much dynamic range as 3 JPEG's. So, argue away.
09/14/2009 01:04:52 AM · #65
Must stop hitting UPDATE...

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09/14/2009 01:05:14 AM · #66
Originally posted by jawsh3539:

Okay...I'm kinda dumb. I figured out that you have to update your My Home to get the latest scores....I wish I didn't though mine went down.

Votes: 14
Views: 54
Avg Vote: 5.2857

Oh well...it was still fun and I look forward to other challenges.


In the beginning, challenges are a blast. You don't have to work towards beating anyone else, only beating your own average. After awhile, beating your own average seems like it will never happen again, so you have to try to beat someone else :D
09/14/2009 01:06:46 AM · #67
Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by jawsh3539:

Okay...I'm kinda dumb. I figured out that you have to update your My Home to get the latest scores....I wish I didn't though mine went down.

Votes: 14
Views: 54
Avg Vote: 5.2857

Oh well...it was still fun and I look forward to other challenges.


In the beginning, challenges are a blast. You don't have to work towards beating anyone else, only beating your own average. After awhile, beating your own average seems like it will never happen again, so you have to try to beat someone else :D


Yup...and I am out to beat ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Brat.....and at this rate...I am friggin losing!!!!!
09/14/2009 01:12:27 AM · #68
I am not out to beat anyone, Just trying to avoid getting beat down myself. My score is going up a little bit, But that could just be a few drunk people who will eventually sober up and go back for a second look and correct their mistake. lol
09/14/2009 01:12:29 AM · #69
Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by jawsh3539:

Okay...I'm kinda dumb. I figured out that you have to update your My Home to get the latest scores....I wish I didn't though mine went down.

Votes: 14
Views: 54
Avg Vote: 5.2857

Oh well...it was still fun and I look forward to other challenges.


In the beginning, challenges are a blast. You don't have to work towards beating anyone else, only beating your own average. After awhile, beating your own average seems like it will never happen again, so you have to try to beat someone else :D


Yup...and I am out to beat ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Brat.....and at this rate...I am friggin losing!!!!!


Well....I will try to enjoy just beating my average for as long as I can. I really like looking at all the talent on here. It gives me inspiration and ideas. I have been at this photography thing for about 4 months and really enjoy the stress relief. I will do my best to stay low key about results and just do this for fun, but a win one day sure would be cool.
09/14/2009 01:14:47 AM · #70
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by vawendy:

I don't think it's fake if you actually shot in RAW and created 3 files with different exposures. How is that different that taking the three shots? you end up with the same thing.

No you don't. 3 actual expsosures gets you more dynamic range captured. Of course a single RAW probably contains as much dynamic range as 3 JPEG's. So, argue away.


When you do it from one raw file like that, it does not cover as much dynamic range overall. It is simply not possible to have detail in the near-whites and detail in the near-blacks even when shooting raw. Because you have to favour the near-whites (you cannot fixed lost detail in the near-whites) your jpg you create for the mid-blacks has to be really brightened a lot, and it will have way more noise problems then if you had a properly exposed, separate image with that tonality in it.

It does work in a pinch, but it is certainly not as good as the real (multiple exposures) thing.

What has surprised me about this challenge is the huge number of entries that are of subjects that do not at all lend themselves to the HDR technique! There are some outstanding images, but some pretty garrish ones as well.
09/14/2009 01:16:42 AM · #71
WooHoo...

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Must stop hitting UPDATE now...
09/14/2009 01:21:11 AM · #72
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09/14/2009 01:22:28 AM · #73
I have a feeling that i'll be like that all week...
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oops!

I love the last 2 voters:

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I will sleep with that. Good night everyone!

Message edited by author 2009-09-14 01:26:17.
09/14/2009 01:25:25 AM · #74
Originally posted by basssman7:

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by vawendy:

I don't think it's fake if you actually shot in RAW and created 3 files with different exposures. How is that different that taking the three shots? you end up with the same thing.

No you don't. 3 actual expsosures gets you more dynamic range captured. Of course a single RAW probably contains as much dynamic range as 3 JPEG's. So, argue away.


When you do it from one raw file like that, it does not cover as much dynamic range overall. It is simply not possible to have detail in the near-whites and detail in the near-blacks even when shooting raw. Because you have to favour the near-whites (you cannot fixed lost detail in the near-whites) your jpg you create for the mid-blacks has to be really brightened a lot, and it will have way more noise problems then if you had a properly exposed, separate image with that tonality in it.

It does work in a pinch, but it is certainly not as good as the real (multiple exposures) thing.

What has surprised me about this challenge is the huge number of entries that are of subjects that do not at all lend themselves to the HDR technique! There are some outstanding images, but some pretty garrish ones as well.


I agree that you can get more dynamic range with actual separate exposures but that does not make using a multi processed RAW file fake HDR. As a matter of fact it is the only way to use HDR in many situations, wind, moving subjects and the like. Both processes have their place.
09/14/2009 01:30:54 AM · #75
Originally posted by jbsmithana:

Originally posted by basssman7:

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by vawendy:

I don't think it's fake if you actually shot in RAW and created 3 files with different exposures. How is that different that taking the three shots? you end up with the same thing.

No you don't. 3 actual expsosures gets you more dynamic range captured. Of course a single RAW probably contains as much dynamic range as 3 JPEG's. So, argue away.


When you do it from one raw file like that, it does not cover as much dynamic range overall. It is simply not possible to have detail in the near-whites and detail in the near-blacks even when shooting raw. Because you have to favour the near-whites (you cannot fixed lost detail in the near-whites) your jpg you create for the mid-blacks has to be really brightened a lot, and it will have way more noise problems then if you had a properly exposed, separate image with that tonality in it.

It does work in a pinch, but it is certainly not as good as the real (multiple exposures) thing.

What has surprised me about this challenge is the huge number of entries that are of subjects that do not at all lend themselves to the HDR technique! There are some outstanding images, but some pretty garrish ones as well.


I agree that you can get more dynamic range with actual separate exposures but that does not make using a multi processed RAW file fake HDR. As a matter of fact it is the only way to use HDR in many situations, wind, moving subjects and the like. Both processes have their place.


Exactly...and the challenge details DID NOT stipulate that you had to use separate images.
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