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 09/22/2009 10:20:47 AM · #76
Originally posted by rugman1969:
On his deathbed, Kennedy finally admitted guilt to the Mary Jo incident, and said he can't wait to see her when he dies to apologize. What makes this man think he's going to heaven?


Probably the same thing that makes you believe there *is* a heaven.
 09/22/2009 07:43:23 PM · #77
Originally posted by rugman1969:
On his deathbed, Kennedy finally admitted guilt to the Mary Jo incident, and said he can't wait to see her when he dies to apologize. What makes this man think he's going to heaven?


Well, there is no consistent criteria established in the practice of any religion on what qualifies or disqualifies one for entry into the afterlife. Should it turn out that there is a heaven, perhaps the critical criteria is not judging others and Kennedy will make it and you won't?
 09/22/2009 08:12:57 PM · #78
Originally posted by rugman1969:
On his deathbed, Kennedy finally admitted guilt to the Mary Jo incident, and said he can't wait to see her when he dies to apologize. What makes this man think he's going to heaven?


Originally posted by Matthew:
Well, there is no consistent criteria established in the practice of any religion on what qualifies or disqualifies one for entry into the afterlife. Should it turn out that there is a heaven, perhaps the critical criteria is not judging others and Kennedy will make it and you won't?

I'm toast......8>(
 09/23/2009 10:40:03 AM · #79
Originally posted by Matthew:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
On his deathbed, Kennedy finally admitted guilt to the Mary Jo incident, and said he can't wait to see her when he dies to apologize. What makes this man think he's going to heaven?


Well, there is no consistent criteria established in the practice of any religion on what qualifies or disqualifies one for entry into the afterlife. Should it turn out that there is a heaven, perhaps the critical criteria is not judging others and Kennedy will make it and you won't?


Does that mean that voting on the challenges damned all our souls?
 09/23/2009 11:02:57 AM · #80
Originally posted by rugman1969:
On his deathbed, Kennedy finally admitted guilt to the Mary Jo incident, and said he can't wait to see her when he dies to apologize. What makes this man think he's going to heaven?


I know I should ignore posts like your for my own sanity's sake, but I'm in a bit of a mood. Is your source for this the "exclusive interview" with an anonymous "family friend" that ran in the esteemed National Enquirer? (and then the thousands of right wing blogs that quoted it?) From my memory, Kennedy always acknowledged guilt & remorse anyway.

And yes, if there's a heaven, from my point of view it would be honored to have a man who dedicated his life to service to those less fortunate, and who accomplished an amazing amount of good in this world. He was flawed (aren't we all?), but on my own balance scale the good far outweighed the bad.
 09/23/2009 12:59:32 PM · #81
Originally posted by Bebe:
And yes, if there's a heaven, from my point of view it would be honored to have a man who dedicated his life to service to those less fortunate, and who accomplished an amazing amount of good in this world. He was flawed (aren't we all?), but on my own balance scale the good far outweighed the bad.

How does the damage that was done get canceled out?

I'm really trying hard to see how the balance works in a case like this.

There was a destroyed marriage, much philandering, and the death of May Jo that will always leave unanswered questions.

This isn't a case of a man who made the occasional bad judgement, but someone who led a life of self-centered hedonism bordering on debauchery for a pretty long time.

I will freely stipulate that his accomplishments are worthy of note, but it's probably a good thing I'm not sitting final judgement on him because that dead girl just sits badly with me.

Something like that just doesn't fit into my parameters of forgive and forget, not the least reason is because of how it was handled by the man himself in the time directly after the.....incident. I cannot comfortably call it an accident because of all that.

So.....being the kind and forgiving operson that you are, how do you reconcile his earlier years?
 09/23/2009 02:00:56 PM · #82
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Bebe:
And yes, if there's a heaven, from my point of view it would be honored to have a man who dedicated his life to service to those less fortunate, and who accomplished an amazing amount of good in this world. He was flawed (aren't we all?), but on my own balance scale the good far outweighed the bad.

How does the damage that was done get canceled out?

I'm really trying hard to see how the balance works in a case like this.

There was a destroyed marriage, much philandering, and the death of May Jo that will always leave unanswered questions.

This isn't a case of a man who made the occasional bad judgement, but someone who led a life of self-centered hedonism bordering on debauchery for a pretty long time.

I will freely stipulate that his accomplishments are worthy of note, but it's probably a good thing I'm not sitting final judgement on him because that dead girl just sits badly with me.

Something like that just doesn't fit into my parameters of forgive and forget, not the least reason is because of how it was handled by the man himself in the time directly after the.....incident. I cannot comfortably call it an accident because of all that.

So.....being the kind and forgiving operson that you are, how do you reconcile his earlier years?


I guess I don't feel like it's up to me to reconcile his earlier years. He seems to have had a difficult childhood, marred by tragedy, with incredible high expectations set by his family and lived out in the public eye. I can't begin to imagine what that would be like. Does it excuse all his behavior? No, not to me, and if that was the sum total of his life I wouldn't feel as much grief at his parting.

I don't believe for a minute that he he deliberately killed Mary Jo, and it's only if he did that I would find that the unforgivable trespass that others seem to regard it. I think it was a terrible accident, handled incredibly poorly by him, showing perhaps poor judgment and a bit of stupidity, but I don't believe he was a cold-blooded murderer.

He didn't have to spend his life serving others; that was a choice he made. Not only did he work tirelessly to benefit our country, but he was really good at it. He made a big difference in many ways. His effectiveness and stories from his opponents in Congress indicate that he was more than willing to set aside ego & glory in order to compel changes that would help people. And this wasn't a brief blip at the end of his life - he served as Senator for 46 years. I think the world is a better place for his having been in it.
 09/24/2009 05:32:35 AM · #83
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Bebe:
And yes, if there's a heaven, from my point of view it would be honored to have a man who dedicated his life to service to those less fortunate, and who accomplished an amazing amount of good in this world. He was flawed (aren't we all?), but on my own balance scale the good far outweighed the bad.

How does the damage that was done get canceled out?

I'm really trying hard to see how the balance works in a case like this.

There was a destroyed marriage, much philandering, and the death of May Jo that will always leave unanswered questions.

This isn't a case of a man who made the occasional bad judgement, but someone who led a life of self-centered hedonism bordering on debauchery for a pretty long time.

I will freely stipulate that his accomplishments are worthy of note, but it's probably a good thing I'm not sitting final judgement on him because that dead girl just sits badly with me.

Something like that just doesn't fit into my parameters of forgive and forget, not the least reason is because of how it was handled by the man himself in the time directly after the.....incident. I cannot comfortably call it an accident because of all that.

So.....being the kind and forgiving operson that you are, how do you reconcile his earlier years?


A protestant would say that belief in Jesus = salvation.

A catholic would say that sufficient penance = salvation.

An ancient Egyptian would expect his heart to be weighed by Anubis and judged in the court of Osiris.

A humanist would look at his life and say that like most people he did good things and bad things in the context of social expectations and there is no such thing as a final judgment.
 09/24/2009 10:34:21 AM · #84
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Bebe:
And yes, if there's a heaven, from my point of view it would be honored to have a man who dedicated his life to service to those less fortunate, and who accomplished an amazing amount of good in this world. He was flawed (aren't we all?), but on my own balance scale the good far outweighed the bad.

How does the damage that was done get canceled out?

I'm really trying hard to see how the balance works in a case like this.

There was a destroyed marriage, much philandering, and the death of May Jo that will always leave unanswered questions.

This isn't a case of a man who made the occasional bad judgement, but someone who led a life of self-centered hedonism bordering on debauchery for a pretty long time.

I will freely stipulate that his accomplishments are worthy of note, but it's probably a good thing I'm not sitting final judgement on him because that dead girl just sits badly with me.

Something like that just doesn't fit into my parameters of forgive and forget, not the least reason is because of how it was handled by the man himself in the time directly after the.....incident. I cannot comfortably call it an accident because of all that.

So.....being the kind and forgiving operson that you are, how do you reconcile his earlier years?


You know, for someone that consistently talks about how proud they are to belong to an organization like the Unitarian church, with all it does to find the good in people and live and let live, and strive to get away from the judgmental nature of other organized religions, you can sure come across as an angry, bitter, judgmental man quick to point fingers everywhere.

Just sayin'.

(Even though you won't take this in any way seriously or consider it for any more than a few milliseconds because of the name attached to the post).
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