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08/03/2009 05:14:38 PM · #1
Good Lord! Erotic photos taken in 13th century church.

The unlocked church doors were a sign that all were welcome, perhaps for a moment of quiet reflection in the presence of God.

But the Reverend Andrew Yates might have been a little less welcoming had he known the intentions of one group of visitors.

Photographer Andy Craddock, his girlfriend and a couple of models used the vicarís church in Cornwall as the backdrop for an erotic photoshoot.

Now solicitors acting on behalf of Mr Yates have written to the photographer accusing him of blasphemy.


08/03/2009 05:17:28 PM · #2
Originally posted by AperturePriority:

... accusing him of blasphemy.

What's the sentence for blasphemy these days?
08/03/2009 05:19:59 PM · #3
I don't know why, but I read that as "erotic photos in 13th century" and the word "church" going with the next part of the headline.

i was a bit confused there, sorry. move along. .
08/03/2009 05:20:19 PM · #4
Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by AperturePriority:

... accusing him of blasphemy.

What's the sentence for blasphemy these days?


Spend the weekend with Slippy. That usually drives them crazy and want to cut their heads off.
08/03/2009 05:37:02 PM · #5
Like ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/811.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/811.gif', '/') + 1) . ' karmat I was expecting something entirely other, like a profoundly voluptuous pre-puritanic celebration of the cthonic. Unfortunately Anglicans and tastelessly attired barbies were involved - oops, I feel a Monty Python hot flash coming on.
08/03/2009 05:38:51 PM · #6
The photographer, Andy Craddock, was a member of DPC for a short time. Some of you may remember him as ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31.gif', '/') + 1) . ' neolestat. He had a few of his images up in his portfolio, most infamously a photo of a dead octopus laying between the legs of naked model.
08/03/2009 05:42:00 PM · #7
What that the "Octopussy" image for the "Bond, James Bond" challenge?? I remember that!

08/03/2009 05:52:38 PM · #8
Everyone knows that God brings people into this world fully clothed and never intended people to be naked.
08/03/2009 06:07:34 PM · #9
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:-)
08/03/2009 06:20:33 PM · #10
Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by AperturePriority:

... accusing him of blasphemy.

What's the sentence for blasphemy these days?


Bet the priest wouldn't of complained if the guy was shooting semi-naked 8 year old choir boys.
08/03/2009 06:20:46 PM · #11
The photos are on his site, some of them arnt bad but some are well.. the girls on the altar or what ever it is IMO is just plain wrong. Saw something somewhat related when at a car show in Victoria where some photog and a model just walked in to the show and started shooting with the cars, now normally this prob wouldn't be a big deal but the model started climbing up on the cars and sitting up on the fenders and posing with little or no care on what they were doing to the cars or what the owners might have thought, and the model was well full figured with high heals which were up on the cars as well. These wern't run of the mill cars either, but classic 40's and 50' Cadillacs' that had been restored...

IMO its asshats like this that make it worse for the rest of us, going to stop here before I really get in to a rant.
08/03/2009 06:22:44 PM · #12
Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by AperturePriority:

... accusing him of blasphemy.

What's the sentence for blasphemy these days?


Bet the priest wouldn't of complained if the guy was shooting semi-naked 8 year old choir boys.


He'd probably have offered to be the "fluffer"
08/03/2009 06:23:11 PM · #13
Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by AperturePriority:

... accusing him of blasphemy.

What's the sentence for blasphemy these days?


Bet the priest wouldn't of complained if the guy was shooting semi-naked 8 year old choir boys.


He'd probably have offered to be the "fluffer"


Actually LOL`d at that one..

nasty.
08/03/2009 07:49:36 PM · #14
Say whatever you want about these being offensive or not. This shot is beautiful.
//www.neolestat.com/church/ZW9U3892b.jpg

IMO
08/03/2009 08:00:55 PM · #15
Originally posted by The Article:

If God does exist, and there is life after death, is someone really going to mind if one of my models is lying on their grave?

Feel free on mine... Don't care one way or the other once the box is closed - although I would be perturbed if I woke up underground, so make sure please or BBQ me or something okay:-)

Some of the shots are great.... I actually love that one on his home page... the girl on a bench with the graves behind is just amazing.
08/03/2009 10:56:11 PM · #16
Just as a question, would this thread be quite as jocular if the venue were a Jewish Holocaust Museum, the Tomb of the Unknowns, or the Oklahoma City National Memorial? I'm fine with the fact that church does not hold an important place in many people's lives, but sometimes people don't think very hard when it comes to respecting those places, monuments, or icons that mean something to someone else.

Sorry to be the wet blanket... :P
08/03/2009 11:06:29 PM · #17
imo, he was just trying to be provocative and get noticed/publicity/attention
08/03/2009 11:15:23 PM · #18
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Just as a question, would this thread be quite as jocular if the venue were a Jewish Holocaust Museum, the Tomb of the Unknowns, or the Oklahoma City National Memorial? I'm fine with the fact that church does not hold an important place in many people's lives, but sometimes people don't think very hard when it comes to respecting those places, monuments, or icons that mean something to someone else.

Sorry to be the wet blanket... :P


My feelings as well. It's not a matter of belief but a matter of respect.
08/03/2009 11:33:10 PM · #19
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Just as a question, would this thread be quite as jocular if the venue were a Jewish Holocaust Museum, the Tomb of the Unknowns, or the Oklahoma City National Memorial? I'm fine with the fact that church does not hold an important place in many people's lives, but sometimes people don't think very hard when it comes to respecting those places, monuments, or icons that mean something to someone else.

Sorry to be the wet blanket... :P


I'm sorry, but if the church feels that way, they should have a posted policy and/or they should not leave the place open and unattended the way they have. If they choose to leave the place open and unattended as they have, they have to accept that some people may NOT respect their sanctuary and may use it in ways they find offensive.

Should the guy have done it on the sly? I don't really think so, but the church's reaction is comedic.

I wonder how many far more lurid and disturbing things have happened there over the past 800 years. The only difference here is that it was recorded.
08/03/2009 11:48:15 PM · #20
Originally posted by BeeCee:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Just as a question, would this thread be quite as jocular if the venue were a Jewish Holocaust Museum, the Tomb of the Unknowns, or the Oklahoma City National Memorial? I'm fine with the fact that church does not hold an important place in many people's lives, but sometimes people don't think very hard when it comes to respecting those places, monuments, or icons that mean something to someone else.

Sorry to be the wet blanket... :P


My feelings as well. It's not a matter of belief but a matter of respect.


GREAT QUESTION...I think it becomes a question of what one is willing to cosign. What I mean is, either we as human beings stand up for freedom of expression and speech or we sign on to slowly have those things we hold dear torn away like so much tissue paper. Personally, I find it repulsive and denigrating but in the same breath that is exactly what makes it impressive or special. MLK, John Kennedy and Howard Stern all stood for the same thing, it was simply their perspective and inner voice that made or makes their response to the challenge what it is. I don't have to agree with a standpoint to respect it but to blindly disregard ones own avenue of expression to mollify the masses is a direct path to sheephood. Doing what one believes in, sometimes at the risk of ridicule is the hallmark of heroism.
08/03/2009 11:49:58 PM · #21
Originally posted by unbreakable:

Originally posted by BeeCee:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Just as a question, would this thread be quite as jocular if the venue were a Jewish Holocaust Museum, the Tomb of the Unknowns, or the Oklahoma City National Memorial? I'm fine with the fact that church does not hold an important place in many people's lives, but sometimes people don't think very hard when it comes to respecting those places, monuments, or icons that mean something to someone else.

Sorry to be the wet blanket... :P


My feelings as well. It's not a matter of belief but a matter of respect.


GREAT QUESTION...I think it becomes a question of what one is willing to cosign. What I mean is, either we as human beings stand up for freedom of expression and speech or we sign on to slowly have those things we hold dear torn away like so much tissue paper. Personally, I find it repulsive and denigrating but in the same breath that is exactly what makes it impressive or special. MLK, John Kennedy and Howard Stern all stood for the same thing, it was simply their perspective and inner voice that made or makes their response to the challenge what it is. I don't have to agree with a standpoint to respect it but to blindly disregard ones own avenue of expression to mollify the masses is a direct path to sheephood. Doing what one believes in, sometimes at the risk of ridicule is the hallmark of heroism.


Thus, the photographer and the church leaders are heroes, because both are doing what one believes in?

Sometimes respect is passing on what you know you *can* do.
08/04/2009 07:06:19 AM · #22
I dunno.....I have some pretty big problems with the church getting bent out of shape about anything less than murder.

This is a truly beautiful shot here...

So what's too much?

How about burning people at the stake?

Molesting children then covering it up?

But.....you say, we don't burn people at the stake any more.

No, but when's the last time priests were in the news for molesting some poor kid?

I'd really like to see the church across the board concern themselves with going about things in a more appropriate manner, and look after their own behavior.

It also seems that they have a slightly loose interpretation of what's okay and what's not......what about the serial killer comedy from 2005?

Murder's okay, but nudity's not?

What a load of crap!

08/04/2009 08:35:00 AM · #23
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Just as a question, would this thread be quite as jocular if the venue were a Jewish Holocaust Museum, the Tomb of the Unknowns, or the Oklahoma City National Memorial? I'm fine with the fact that church does not hold an important place in many people's lives, but sometimes people don't think very hard when it comes to respecting those places, monuments, or icons that mean something to someone else.

Sorry to be the wet blanket... :P

My middle finger is my icon, and means something to me, yet Site Council randomly deletes it from my posts. I demand equal treatment and ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' DrAchoo can be my mouthpiece!
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08/04/2009 09:44:51 AM · #24
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

I dunno.....I have some pretty big problems with the church getting bent out of shape about anything less than murder.

This is a truly beautiful shot here...

So what's too much?

How about burning people at the stake?

Molesting children then covering it up?

But.....you say, we don't burn people at the stake any more.

No, but when's the last time priests were in the news for molesting some poor kid?

I'd really like to see the church across the board concern themselves with going about things in a more appropriate manner, and look after their own behavior.

It also seems that they have a slightly loose interpretation of what's okay and what's not......what about the serial killer comedy from 2005?

Murder's okay, but nudity's not?

What a load of crap!


You tar that congregation with a pretty broad brush, did their priests molest children? While they may seem to strain at an ant and swallow a camel, it is their property, their rules.

Just because you do not lock your front door, it does not give me the right to come to your house and make myself dinner.
08/04/2009 09:50:26 AM · #25
My personal opinion...the shots are beautiful.

However, I do think that since they did not have permission for this they should not have been done. If they had tried this in any other "Public" building the same reaction probably would happen. I know if I owned a building that was open to the public and someone did this I'd be irate (unless I gave them permission, which I'd probably do).
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