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05/17/2004 10:55:34 AM · #26
LMAO ! every one kills me with this DEAD CENTER stuff LMAO

Details: A centered subject can be very arresting and dominate the composition. Take a picture where the main subject is dead center.

the way i see it there is only one photo that fits this LMAO the DEAD man in the center !!! (J/K)

oh and i maybe wrong but when i read this the first time i figured that it wanted more than one object in the shot so that the center object would over power the whole photo

anyways good luck everyone
even the people going crosseyed checking for DEAD CENTER

Dee
05/17/2004 10:55:53 AM · #27
Its only a Blue Ribbon. Not a grand Prize Jackpot. LOL

My photo is only doing 5.05. As far as I am concerned, the photo is excellent. And I am not just saying that because it is mine. It just is. Color is great, and my main subject is DEAD CENTER. But you have to remember that alot of people have different "eyes" and different "ideas".

Not everyone will look at a great photograph in a magazine or book and agree they like it. Some will turn the page, and some will get stuck on it, and love the photo. It is all about perception.

As far as the guidelines for the challenge... I have to agree with Pedro.

My subject is dead center... and I did go crazy and actually measure my crop, but still... people will have their eyes play tricks on them and tell you its not center.

I think people should lighten up, just like Jenesis states.
05/17/2004 11:27:44 AM · #28
Mine's a 3.75 s ofar and no comments :) Guess I flunked this one!
05/17/2004 11:35:28 AM · #29
I've taken a break from challenges for a couple of months and now I remember why... I guess I was just burned out on working so hard on pictures to have them score mediocre.

I wish it was more about creativity, beauty and open mindedness and less about being a stickler for the "challenge description" .... "Dead center" give me a Break!!!

Oh wait, I've had one... :-)~
05/17/2004 11:46:10 AM · #30
My Opposites photo have 6 out of 24 comments stating that doesn't meet the challenge in their opinion! I respect that.
But, common thing about these folks is:
a: They have none favorite photographers
b: They have none favorite photos
c: Or both
I guess this guys are the best photographers on the world and I failed to satisfy them :-)
05/17/2004 11:48:58 AM · #31
I agree with you jenesis.

I just like sharing my photos here on this site. Dont care about score.

I have won a couple of contests in the past where i got a camera each time, and those were judged by a panel of judges. Thats where it matters to me.

Also remember.... people that are voting are the same people that are competing.

Now if a panel of judges were voting that had no special interest or photographs involved, then voting would be more fair.
05/17/2004 12:09:46 PM · #32
Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Jeez............. What I have been doing is copying everyone's pic to my Hard Disk, then using PS to create an outline view, then exporting it to my CAD station where I use Pro Engineer to create an overlay that tells me the precise location of the center of the frame, and then I calculate the center of the subject area. If the two do not line up within the my specified tolerance, I simply give the image a score of 1 and move on.

Each image takes approximately 20 minutes to analyze thoroughly this way, hopefully I can get to everyone's image before voting ends.

I think if I were to do this again, I would use Matlab and do all the analysis on the PC. I bet I could even get it to vote for me.


Oh please tell me you're joking.
I'm eyeballing the shots and if the main subject of interestt, i.e., focus, is somewhere in the middle of the frame (including all sides, not just horizontally or vertically) I'll accept that as meeting the challenge. I took 'dead center' as what the folks who made up the challenge had in mind which is why I'm not considering a shot where the subject is only centred in one direction. Otherwise, I'm not being to persnickity about measurements. I trust my eyes to judge where 'dead center' is.
05/17/2004 12:14:12 PM · #33
Sometimes I think that voters take all the fun out of entering these challenges, cause you feel like you have turned in a good pic and have used a bit of creativity then when the challenge starts I see 30 pics of flowers...but hey they are dead center so I guess they'll win and shaft the people who try and put variety into these competions everytime, because they are a few centimeters off or don't meet the challenge by some miniscule reason, I turned off my ability to see my score, I have not looked at it the entire time, I don't know what my score is...I'll judge what I think it is with the comments I recieve, and so far I have one that likes it because it is different and one that doesn't because it is not completly centered, to my eye it was, didn't get a ruler out...guess I should have.
05/17/2004 12:15:58 PM · #34
Even before I submitted my photo, I knew there would be alot of flower shots.

LOL.

So much for creativity.
05/17/2004 12:31:29 PM · #35
On the other hand, mine is completely centered (in camera and tweaked in cropping) (and not flowers although my first consideration was a beautiful orchid) but was accused of crop centering my subject and got penalized for that just the same.

So whether you follow the challenge parameter literally or not, you can't satisfy everyone. Some critiques could always find fault :-). So just submit what you think is best and enjoy viewing others' works.
05/17/2004 12:34:24 PM · #36
Right on Flip:)
05/17/2004 12:35:32 PM · #37
Originally posted by flip89:

On the other hand, mine is completely centered (in camera and tweaked in cropping) (and not flowers although my first consideration was a beautiful orchid) but was accused of crop centering my subject and got penalized for that just the same.

So whether you follow the challenge parameter literally or not, you can't satisfy everyone. Some critiques could always find fault :-). So just submit what you think is best and enjoy viewing others' works.


What do you mean you got penalized for Crop centering!!! Is there something wrong with that?! I just don't get it.... (slumps away shaking her head)
05/17/2004 12:43:25 PM · #38
Originally posted by vince31874:

Even before I submitted my photo, I knew there would be alot of flower shots.

LOL.

So much for creativity.


Yes, but I've been on this site just long enough to know that creativity doesn't go unpunished. ;)

I did something "different" for Opposites. No one else did this. It's in focus. It follows the rule of thirds and has nice lines leading into the composition. It meets the challenge, blatently, but not in the way you would first expect. From spot checking scores, I have at least 25 people scoring it 3 or below. I have about 10 people scoring it 8 or above. It's sitting about 4.89 now.

My abstract shot involved movement of the camera to produce an abstract effect. Several people thought it would ribbon. It got 19 people to score it 3 and below. It has 21 fours on top of that. It had 27 8 and above socres allowing it to finish with a 5.682 for a "just ok" 57th place and 73rd percentile.

My something new shot was a straight shot of two bridges. It's aethetically nice, but compared to these other shots, it's much more "conservative". My something new shot got 4 scores under 3, and only 18 fours, so it finshed ok in the 82 percentile and 34th place.

Of course, this is where I am going with this. If you submit conservative and competent shots, you are rewarded. You get fewer 1s, 2s, and 3s, which drag your score down, and your placement.

I'm not complaining at all, and I'm not bitter about anything. I personally think it's something you just "realize" about the site. I'm not even saying this should change the way you shoot--it will just affect your score!

I'm curious how many people agree?

EXCEPTION TO THE RULE: If you freeze motion, especially drops, and you catch it well technically, you will do well no matter what the challenge.

Edited for clarity.

Message edited by author 2004-05-17 12:45:01.
05/17/2004 12:49:06 PM · #39
Neil,
Your abstract shot is beautiful. Personally, I think you got robbed! :)

P.S. - There's nothing wrong with flowers! :-)~
05/17/2004 01:06:16 PM · #40
Originally posted by Pedro:

Standard practice is to off-set your subject, so we tend to do this as a rule of thumb. The challenge is to deviate from this and centre the image...I think the concept (breaking the 'rule') is far more significant than the geometry. The challenge was designed to get us thinking outside of our typically rule-driven boxes.


I really agree with this point. Personally, I did not use a ruler or math to calculate the dead center spot of my image, but I placed my image in the center to the best I could (with my eye and lens), and took the picture. It's probably not perfect, but it's surely not "off center". I took the dead center aspect to mean that the photo should be put in the center (top, bottom, left, right... all equal margins as best as possible)... just not off center in anyway.

Everyone interprets these differently. I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in. :)
05/17/2004 01:16:47 PM · #41
Originally posted by melismatica:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Jeez............. What I have been doing is copying everyone's pic to my Hard Disk, then using PS to create an outline view, then exporting it to my CAD station where I use Pro Engineer to create an overlay that tells me the precise location of the center of the frame, and then I calculate the center of the subject area. If the two do not line up within the my specified tolerance, I simply give the image a score of 1 and move on.

Each image takes approximately 20 minutes to analyze thoroughly this way, hopefully I can get to everyone's image before voting ends.

I think if I were to do this again, I would use Matlab and do all the analysis on the PC. I bet I could even get it to vote for me.


Oh please tell me you're joking.


Of course I am.
05/17/2004 09:05:14 PM · #42
Originally posted by vince31874:

Even before I submitted my photo, I knew there would be alot of flower shots.

LOL.

So much for creativity.


Hee hee. Here is the shot I rejected for entry. I'm not nuts about what I entered. I like it but I was never quite satisfied with it as an entry. I couldn't find anything else I liked better. My score has been hanging in at 4.75 with one comment that it looked a little out-of-focus. It's not as sharp as I would like either but I wouldn't say out of focus. I think the problem has a lot to do with my old camera. I definitely feel handicapped by that. My camera was great for a consumer line camera in its day but it is way outmoded these days at a little higher than 1 megapixel. I remember when I bought it a lot of consumer cameras were not in the megapixel range. :D
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05/17/2004 10:01:22 PM · #43
Originally posted by Pedro:

looks like the anal-ysts may win out this time. sad, really.


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