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06/26/2002 11:39:25 AM · #1
Hey everyone ... right now as a hobby I shoot bands here in my area - and just as a friendly gesture I share my photos and ask for the recognition if they use them.
Well now I have an opportunity to land a position with an entertainment company doing digital photography here in Orlando at concerts as they come through the area. I'm really excited about this - but I have one problem ... Since I've never charged before and this is all new to me on that aspect - I dont know where to start with a pay rate. In an email from the guy who may hire me he asked me about day rates or what not ... anyone that has any suggestions would be great! I can use all the help I can get. Any resources on the net? or books that help us through this? Thanks!!! have a great day!
06/26/2002 11:45:52 AM · #2
I don't know how this works but I know how I would like it to work :) I think it would be nice to work like a regular photographer... the 'day rate' would be like a retainer fee. U get this amount for showing up. You then get a per image rate as well... :)
06/26/2002 12:12:41 PM · #3
Thanks :) .. but what do rates even go for even to show up??? Here's a website of the band that i shoot now for the fun of it .. and what I had used as part of my examples ... www.geocities.com/kabangphotosbyayme ... what do you think is the right amount to charge ... feel free to email me at photosbyayme@yahoo.com or post here ....
Thanks for everyone's help
06/26/2002 12:31:07 PM · #4
Originally posted by PhotosByAyme:
Thanks :) .. but what do rates even go for even to show up??? Here's a website of the band that i shoot now for the fun of it .. and what I had used as part of my examples ... www.geocities.com/kabangphotosbyayme ... what do you think is the right amount to charge ... feel free to email me at photosbyayme@yahoo.com or post here ....
Thanks for everyone's help


I don't have a clue...I would see if they will make you an offer if you are new at it...
06/26/2002 03:01:10 PM · #5
Ayme, Looks like you're getting into a whole new world now. Just to get you started on pay for photographs and photographers here are a couple links: <//www.pdnonline.com/> and <//www.peimag.com/>. The first is the online version of the magazine PDN or Photo District News. If you are serious about going professional you should get a copy, or better, subscribe. They have articles every month on the business of photography as well as the creative aspects. The second link is PEI. The electronic version of PEI magazine, Photo Eletric Imaging. The magazine and website are part of the organization 'Professional Photographers of America'. You won't be able to join until you can demonstrate professional involvment for, I think, a year or so.

The idea of day rate is that whoever wants your images will hire you for $XXXX per day to preform the contracted photographs. That rate should cover what you will actually spend to do the job (gas, milage, model fees, film, light, equipment, and grip rentals, and later on airfair, hotels, etc, and also a percentage for your profit. The first part is easier to figure. If you are just starting out, you might talk to some local photographers about how much they would charge and adjust yours accordingly. In New York say, a day rate of $1500-2000 might be considered normal, but in Minot, North Dakota, you'd cause some heart failure (or laughter anyway).

That's not the only way to sell photographs though. You could also contract to supply X number of images of the type contracted for for a certain price, irrespective of how long you took to shoot them. That's the way I work. Someone likes something I've done, I sell them a print, and if they want something special, I shoot it for them.

Whichever way you decide to proceed, GET A CONTRACT IN WRITING. I can't stress this enough! Stipulate exactly what you are being hired for and exactly what the images will be like. Also, BE ABSOLUTELY SURE ABOUT THE COPYRIGHT. Some people want the copyright to an image, but don't do that unless it's absolutely necessary. Most photographers sell USAGE, not the physical photographs themselves. If you keep the copyright you can sell usage for specific things, like CD covers, print, etc. for a limited time, and if they really like the stuff they can re-negotiate for additional usage. See the above links for a start to surf around for the legal and business data.

Good Luck!!
06/26/2002 03:12:22 PM · #6
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I don''t know how this works but I know how I would like it to work :) I think it would be nice to work like a regular photographer... the ''day rate'' would be like a retainer fee. U get this amount for showing up. You then get a per image rate as well... :)


my instructor recommends the graphic artis guild handbook: pricing & ethical guidelines. amazon.com has it for $24.97. this is a must for artist to see the going rates. john your work is an inspiration by the way. good luck. ;-)



* This message has been edited by the author on 6/26/2002 3:15:26 PM.
06/26/2002 03:29:18 PM · #7
*I am not knowledgeable about this subject*
repeat *I am not knowledgeable about this subject*

=:>

However looking thorugh a few pages of google results the day rate is the rate to show up and shoot, any use of those photos is generally a separate cost (i.e. they pay you to take shots hate them all you still get the day rate, if they do use some they pay you something more depending on the space it will occupy on the page, where and how they use it, or other factors). The google search I used is this.

From that search here is a full list of one photographers prices, you''ll obviously want to adjust them based on your experience and what you think they will pay you, but it may give an idea of how to price different services (at least one example) depending on what the images are going to be used for.

One thing you probably will want to do is language in writing licensing the images to the client for specific usage and retaining your rights to use the image.

Look through the search there are a number of results which might be of more (or less) interest to you.

* This message has been edited by the author on 6/26/2002 3:29:02 PM.
06/26/2002 03:41:22 PM · #8
Originally posted by puppet10:
*I am not knowledgeable about this subject*
repeat *I am not knowledgeable about this subject*

=:>

However looking thorugh a few pages of google results the day rate is the rate to show up and shoot, any use of those photos is generally a separate cost (i.e. they pay you to take shots hate them all you still get the day rate, if they do use some they pay you something more depending on the space it will occupy on the page, where and how they use it, or other factors). The google search I used is this.

From that search here is a full list of one photographers prices, you''ll obviously want to adjust them based on your experience and what you think they will pay you, but it may give an idea of how to price different services (at least one example) depending on what the images are going to be used for.

One thing you probably will want to do is language in writing licensing the images to the client for specific usage and retaining your rights to use the image.

Look through the search there are a number of results which might be of more (or less) interest to you


thanks for the info and links

06/26/2002 03:44:39 PM · #9
THANK YOU everyone for your input ... I am very excited about this opportunity .. and now I have some resources to go by - thanks a whole bunch!!!
and on a side note ... i just submitted my transparency image - and i'm totally happy with it! ... cant wait till next week - heheheh :)
06/26/2002 03:56:09 PM · #10
Originally posted by queen 91:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
[i]I don''t know how this works but I know how I would like it to work :) I think it would be nice to work like a regular photographer... the ''day rate'' would be like a retainer fee. U get this amount for showing up. You then get a per image rate as well... :)


my instructor recommends the graphic artis guild handbook: pricing & ethical guidelines. amazon.com has it for $24.97. this is a must for artist to see the going rates. john your work is an inspiration by the way. good luck. ;-)

[/i]

Thank you :)
06/26/2002 05:35:57 PM · #11
Your best bet is to call several photogs in your area. Tell them you are looking to hire a photog for a band and lay out the specs. Ask them to send you their rate sheet.

Then be prepared to be as good as they are if you are getting pro pay. Be ready to fill out 1099 as well. The folks may not be doing this under the table.

Bryan
06/26/2002 09:41:58 PM · #12
I hope that one is never too old to start free lancing.
06/26/2002 10:01:53 PM · #13
After I made my post I started looking through a Camera Arts mag. that came today (June/July) and found a book review of "ASMP: Professional Business Practices in Photography" 6th edition. Sounds like what you might be looking for.
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