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10/21/2011 01:51:17 PM · #1
Let's see ... guy predicts end of the world, causing many to cash in their life savings, and it doesn't happen, after which the guy has a stroke.

If that's not a message from God that maybe this guy is not the best person to take advice from, I don't know what is ...
10/21/2011 12:22:13 PM · #2
Again? I guess I'll have to go buy milk and eggs.
10/21/2011 12:16:21 PM · #3
what, no notice?

Message edited by author 2011-10-21 12:17:30.
10/21/2011 12:12:19 PM · #4
Apocalypse now: Rapture is today, Christian group says after recalculating
07/13/2009 11:20:53 AM · #5

Originally posted by johnnyphoto:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

In a couple of Google searches I found list after list of Muslim, Jewish, and Buddhist humanitarian groups.....are all these people toast?


Buddhists won't go to Christian heaven just like Christian's won't go to Buddhist heaven :)


That's funny on a few levels.

When it comes down to it, no one really knows. I don't think our tiny minds can't understand what's in store.

Here's another example, what happens to the weakest and most inocent? A still born? The church has no stand on what happens to them. You can only trust (have faith).

Just keep on, keeping on and trust in God.
07/13/2009 10:36:31 AM · #6
Originally posted by Emerkaza:

I am a Christian. My faith is in Jesus Christ. I believe in the Rapture. 'If' I am wrong, I have nothing to lose. 'If' you are wrong, you have everything to lose.


I believe in Cthulhu. If Iím right, Iíll be eaten first!

Look up some critiques of Pascalís Wager. Itís really not that good of an argument.
07/12/2009 02:27:38 PM · #7
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

In a couple of Google searches I found list after list of Muslim, Jewish, and Buddhist humanitarian groups.....are all these people toast?


Buddhists won't go to Christian heaven just like Christian's won't go to Buddhist heaven :)
07/12/2009 01:31:18 PM · #8
Originally posted by Emerkaza:

I am a Christian. My faith is in Jesus Christ. I believe in the Rapture. 'If' I am wrong, I have nothing to lose. 'If' you are wrong, you have everything to lose.

Part of the problem that I have with this kind of thinking is that there is tacit implication that there will be many truly good people who will be cut out of what is supposed to be a better place because they don't happen to share a fairly narrow view of the end game.

That troubles me greatly because I cannot conceive of a God who would kick people to the curb who have spent their whole lives doing for the good and betterment of their fellow man and haven't spent the time to care and/or worry about their own salvation.

Aren't there Jews, Muslims, and various great peoples throughout history who would by most people's purview have been selfless in their concern and work for others who won't make it because their way of life doesn't fit the "proper" definition?

In a couple of Google searches I found list after list of Muslim, Jewish, and Buddhist humanitarian groups.....are all these people toast?
07/12/2009 08:17:19 AM · #9
IMO the rapture is a silly idea that is based on one vague verse in Revelation, which is loaded with symbols, that has been popularized by a book series.
07/12/2009 01:48:55 AM · #10
I am a Christian. My faith is in Jesus Christ. I believe in the Rapture. 'If' I am wrong, I have nothing to lose. 'If' you are wrong, you have everything to lose.
07/05/2009 03:57:52 AM · #11
Of course, I did mention that. The whole Mars thing, if life is found on Mars, then the public is told something known to some organizations for a long time already.

Zacharia Sitchin is big into the 2012 thing, and I sometimes wonder if its a bunch of bologna, but usually stay firm that its not. Lets face it, there is a huge shift going on right now, climate wise, conscious wise, economical.

If the end occurs, it will only be the end of what we know.

Curious about the Colony Collapse Disorder occuring in Bats and Bees, I'm reading into this.
07/05/2009 03:44:47 AM · #12
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:

' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' DrAchoo, its nice to see a conservative with such an open mind. Of course, not in political senses, but regarding religion. Christianity to me is a bureaucracy, split into so many levels. There are so many different version of bibles. I have been studying the books of "Zacharia Sitchin" the last few years and I am completely engulfed. Great stuff, I recommend.


I can't quite tell if you are guessing I'm politically conservative, because you'd be wrong on that count. It's possible you meant religiously conservative and I probably qualify there. :)

I get a kick out of how many people think I have to be a republican because I'm a Christian. Dangit if the Christian Coalition didn't hijack my religion!
07/05/2009 02:31:43 AM · #13
Understandable, just curious about other people's point of view about it; the second coming is something that so many people put so much stock into, but yet we are all so dumbfounded about it all. Interesting to see everyone's position on the matter, sounds like we should just forget it and let nature take its course, if the Rapture does happen, we probably won't know it even took place.

' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' spiritualspatula, I was interested in your opinion, because like you, I am completely confused by religion, and my theological scribes on this thread are just attempts to make sense of it all, but like Aristotle says, "I know nothing" However, truth is found through Math, and if information is treated like numbers and put into an equation, we might come up with something after all.

' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' DrAchoo, its nice to see a conservative with such an open mind. Of course, not in political senses, but regarding religion. Christianity to me is a bureaucracy, split into so many levels. There are so many different version of bibles. I have been studying the books of "Zacharia Sitchin" the last few years and I am completely engulfed. Great stuff, I recommend.

07/04/2009 03:05:14 PM · #14
I also really think it says a lot about your character that you started the "Ask a Christian" thread. It speaks volumes for what your intents are. I think both camps are so entrenched they only usually speak with their own "kind" and there are plenty of misconceptions going on. It also helps that many questions seem very awkward to ask in the first place. As an atheist, there are aspects of religion that are so alien to me that I really can't comprehend them, or that have implications that I don't see or get because I'm thinking about things in a fundamentally separate manner. I think the same goes for religious folks in regards to how atheists live. It's this fundamental ideological chasm that separates the two, and often it seems as they both are speaking different languages to each other. I don't personally believe you can approach religion in a perfectly rational sense, but this what the source of truth is for atheists, so we revert to it. This works for most things, but not when you enter into discussions concerning religion, because all of your points are in a language that isn't as significant as that of faith to the believer. Faith is a necessary element in religion. As I briefly mentioned earlier, this is referred to as a blik, and atheists have them too, but they are of a different sort.

Just remember, ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' DrAchoo, your reaction to the intense atheists is similar to how I feel about zealots ;)

I think of religion as a social construct, but, ironically, in this light it takes on an entirely new and fascinating aspect. Constructs have a lot to say about the times and lives of those who forged them, about the human condition. That religion has been so important says something about the human condition, and that's what I'm trying to learn, and where I'm coming from. I was genuinely interested in your responses, same goes for ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' RulerZigzag.
07/04/2009 12:15:05 PM · #15
(best Jerry Seinfeld): I don't know if you are going to hell, but (where you are going) there are going to be some bad dudes...

I can respect your position and it's actually a breath of fresh air compared to a few of the dogmatic atheists around here (you know who you are!). :)
07/03/2009 11:19:42 PM · #16
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:


' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' spiritualspatula, I wanted to ask you, this Rapture, what is your interpretation of the return? who will announce Jesus when he does come back? How many will scream out Blasphemy! I already explained my opinion a few posts ago. Your opinion is held in high regard.


lol Here I was thinking I would be respected here in the forum by my ample gear and technical explanations, when really all I had to do was venture into the Rant for awhile :)

Well, I'm personally an atheist, so I don't think there will be a return. Hypothetically speaking, I wouldn't think an announcement would be needed. I think it would be most sensible, in light of the Trinity, that God/Jesus would simply make all of the followers aware. There is no need for anything beyond this. I think a lot of the theatricality associated with the topic is just that: dramatic theatricality. Take the Left Behind books. They sell great, because it's like dogmatic soap opera. I think it also makes people more comfortable that all the upheaval and crazy shit in the world is not really crazy, but intended.
Now, my personal views on religion are that it isn't for me, but I think it can be good. Fellows like ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' DrAchoo get my respect because they aren't super zealots proclaiming my damned-ness. Dialogue between the groups of the religious and non-religious should be beneficial. I enjoy studying religion and its various incarnations because they are infinitely interesting. The variety and depth of explanation is amazing, and that there has been so much thought on the matter has proven it a worthy subject to consider. To dismiss everything outright is asinine, because it was and still is an important director of humanity. Religion imparts a responsibility for actions, which I think is needed for society to work at current. Religion is very powerful, and society needs to realize that. Power can be wielded for good or ill, and religion is just as vulnerable to this. The divinity imparted by religion can be abused very easily.
I somewhat diverged from the Rapture here, because I figured I might as well just come out and explain my position.
07/03/2009 04:42:57 PM · #17
Originally posted by BeeCee:

Oh, and the caduseus isn't the universal symbol of medicine, the rod of Asclepius has a longer history and closer relevance with the healing arts. The caduseus is used mostly in North America since the 1800's. So there goes the double helix theory :)


Yes, Medicine and Healing art; you make it sound as if they are so different! I guess in the 1800s when the West was born, they decided to do some historical research and came up with the double helix theory! , so, NO there it does not go.

' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' spiritualspatula, I wanted to ask you, this Rapture, what is your interpretation of the return? who will announce Jesus when he does come back? How many will scream out Blasphemy! I already explained my opinion a few posts ago. Your opinion is held in high regard.

Message edited by author 2009-07-03 16:47:53.
07/03/2009 03:27:11 AM · #18
Oh, and the caduseus isn't the universal symbol of medicine, the rod of Asclepius has a longer history and closer relevance with the healing arts. The caduseus is used mostly in North America since the 1800's. So there goes the double helix theory :)
07/03/2009 03:14:05 AM · #19
Neanderthals wore makeup and liked to chat.
07/03/2009 03:13:42 AM · #20
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:

"There is ample debate about what speech capabilities the neanderthals possessed and it is hardly settled. Furthermore, even if there WAS very little articulation, huge amounts of information can be conveyed without it"

I guess you think its possible to learn how to write first, without speaking? Doubt it. Speech first, writing 2nd.


If a being had the faculties to do so, yes, I think it is possible. Progression from a symbolic picture to an abstracted symbol for that really isn't very far.

I guess I understand what you mean by "Draconian DNA" but I feel that using the two words together makes absolutely no sense. Amalgamated DNA or Anagram DNA is closer I guess, but not really. DNA just can't be Draconian, unless we're talking about Draco's DNA, or implying that humans have dragon DNA.

Originally posted by RulerZigzag:

In GENEsis, it could have been GODzilla who wore the white coat! Afterall, in GENEsis, the Lords were described as Reptilian or was it Serpents I believe.

Here you are ascribing additional meanings where there are none. The word genesis predated gene and evolved linguistically into gene. Of course you will see gene in genesis, it doesn't mean our genes were altered and that's what they REALLY meant when they said genesis.
07/03/2009 02:28:09 AM · #21
"There is ample debate about what speech capabilities the neanderthals possessed and it is hardly settled. Furthermore, even if there WAS very little articulation, huge amounts of information can be conveyed without it"

I guess you think its possible to learn how to write first, without speaking? Doubt it. Speech first, writing 2nd.
07/03/2009 02:20:51 AM · #22
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:

I doubt the Neanderthals could interact like we are doing now, spreading knowledge...the vocal cords meant alot.


I really was trying hard to not respond here but this statement was just too funny.
07/03/2009 02:04:26 AM · #23
You're right about it being more terrifying when I think about it; thats probably why Jesus spoke in parables.

The pre-existing entity (White bearded man with a throne on a cloud) doesn't seem too scary to me, maybe its just Godzilla re-labeled! lol. but whey do they say you have to be God fearing? In GENEsis, it could have been GODzilla who wore the white coat! Afterall, in GENEsis, the Lords were described as Reptilian or was it Serpents I believe. These Red Devils were probably from the Red planet Mars.

Draconian DNA, like in your DaVinci code, how Leonardo DaVinci was portrayed as a symbol, maybe many persons combined in one personage. It is why Dan Brown used the name as an anagram in the opening scene. The name Leonardo DaVinci can be unscrambled and form the word "Draconian Devil" Perhaps he meant these reptilian devils were responsible for all the technological marvels implemented in society, the divine interveners. How could Leonardo Davinci create all those things? Talk about genetic memories, not even Tesla created such variety. I doubt the Neanderthals could interact like we are doing now, spreading knowledge...the vocal cords meant alot.

Oh, if I keep going here, Im gonna start talking about the teenage mutant ninja turtles, I'm done!

Message edited by author 2009-07-03 02:08:01.
07/03/2009 01:45:42 AM · #24
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:

An example of the re-labeling.

Universal symbol of medicine

Twin snakes shaped like the DNA helix which was used in the story Genesis, except re-labeled as the Tree of Life.
The Apple, or Pomegranate symbolized the apple-seed; or Draconian DNA integrated possibly using stem cells to reshape the Neanderthal's DNA into becoming a bit more refined, especially in the Adam's apple area.

THe biting of the Apple symbolized the opening of consciousness, in the new brain of man...which initially led to evil-doing since evolution was sped up giving man less time to become in tune with our genetic memories. Like I said in the above post regarding intervention of the natural evolutionary process.

The serpents in Genesis were probably scientists in white coats. They just weren't explained that way because then people would have nothing to fear.


Proverbial white coated scientists F'ing with my DNA and making me into their little science project is way more terrifying than a suggestive snake in a garden.

There are significant differences between the western God concept and what you are describing. This is no example of relabeling. The only similarity is creation by a pre-existing entity.
What the heck are you talking about with Draconian DNA?
What are you talking about with the Cro-Magnon being dangerous? They knew it would be dangerous.... what do you mean? What does this necessitate their actions to be?
There is ample debate about what speech capabilities the neanderthals possessed and it is hardly settled. Furthermore, even if there WAS very little articulation, huge amounts of information can be conveyed without it.
07/03/2009 01:42:41 AM · #25
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I bet you are a hoot at parties ZigZag. :P


Haha..., all my partying eventually led me to stop partying, and maybe one day stop hootin!
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