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 06/17/2009 11:34:19 AM · #226
Originally posted by basssman7:
If you have an issue with black and white being included, don't blame and punish the folks that entered them and call them mis-informed...send an email to Langdon and complain to him...he picks the challenges and descriptions!!!!

Actually, I have no issue with that. I guess I didn't phrase that to come off the way I meant. My point was actually that some folks may feel an entry composed of black, white and some other color is not a duotone. I guess no matter what you enter, someone will feel it to be DNMC.

Message edited by author 2009-06-17 11:35:40.
 06/17/2009 12:41:51 PM · #227
i knew the basic subject matter of my shot would not go over well with some, but i did think it'd be a bit higher in score

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06/17/2009 01:18:12 PM · #228
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See what going out of state to take a photo will do??? YAY
 06/17/2009 01:24:58 PM · #229
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Care to make that a 5.9, DPC?
 06/17/2009 01:26:49 PM · #230
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Updated: 06/17/09 01:23 pm

Well, independent of my photo's color tone...my SCORE is very clearly black and white! ;-)

06/17/2009 02:46:25 PM · #231
Whoa. . .I didn't realize such controversy was going on in this challenge I am enjoying so much. Janine, does that change anything, knowing that the challenge specifically said black and white was okay? Because if one person marks a photo way down because of a misunderstanding of the challenge description, it can change the outcome of a photo's score enough to make a difference. I hope that doesn't happen. The challenge descriptions are the most important thing to understand when voting and choosing a photo for a challenge -- not the title of the challenge.

Anyway, I am having fun in this challenge :)

06/17/2009 02:49:49 PM · #232
I think its funny. In this challenge black and white is sometimes considered DNMC. (Even though the challenge description says its okay). Yet, in black and white challenges there will be the odd duotone image entered and I don't recall a lot of problem with those..

edit: ...and of course now i can't find any images to support this statement. :(

Message edited by author 2009-06-17 14:52:42.
 06/17/2009 02:56:33 PM · #233
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Sorry to add to the argument, but I had to put my 2 cents in. If black and white is considered MONOchrome, then shouldn't black, white and some other color be considered a DUOtone? Being in the printer business, I never consider white a color. It is the absence of color. It is the screen or the paper.


I totally agree with this, but as an aside I'd comment that most serious fine-art "duotone" printing involves a second plate with additional black ink being laid down. This is how the great B/W photography books are printed, with two runs of black ink on separate screens, to richen up the black tones and more closely emulate the power of the actual photographic print.

So yes, in the "real world" B/W can be a duotone, and often is. "Chrome" and "tone" don't mean the same thing; monochrome is one color, duochrome is two colors, white is not a color. A "tone" is specifically a different value of the same color, a different luminance of it.

R.
 06/17/2009 02:58:08 PM · #234
Originally posted by vawendy:
From my understanding (which could be wrong), in duotones, black is considered a color (white isn't). So if there's black in the photo, there should only be one other color to make it a duotone. I thought I saw a number of them that had more colors. Also, if a duotone is a halftone reproduction of an image using the superimposition of a contrasty black halftone over a one color halftone, are the photographs that use the color only in a small, limited area, really a duotone?


See my response immediately below to Yo_spiff... There's a confusion between "tone" and "color" happening here.

R.

Message edited by author 2009-06-17 15:00:38.
 06/17/2009 02:58:12 PM · #235
I'm voting fairly loosely in this challenge, giving the photographer the benefit of the doubt. However, in these technical challenges (remember Bokeh?) there are voters who feel the need to instruct.
 06/17/2009 03:08:32 PM · #236
Originally posted by CassieDoodle:
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Care to make that a 5.9, DPC?


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Thanks! I knew you could do it!
Now, how about a 6?
 06/17/2009 03:24:33 PM · #237
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by vawendy:
From my understanding (which could be wrong), in duotones, black is considered a color (white isn't). So if there's black in the photo, there should only be one other color to make it a duotone. I thought I saw a number of them that had more colors. Also, if a duotone is a halftone reproduction of an image using the superimposition of a contrasty black halftone over a one color halftone, are the photographs that use the color only in a small, limited area, really a duotone?


See my response immediately below to Yo_spiff... There's a confusion between "tone" and "color" happening here.

R.


Hey, I hope no one considered my comment to be against black and white. That was definitely included in the scope of the challenge, plain and simple! Doesn't matter how you define duotone--black and white is a perfectly valid entry. I just had questions about spot color, because I had never heard the term duotone before.
 06/17/2009 03:28:49 PM · #238
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Sorry to add to the argument, but I had to put my 2 cents in. If black and white is considered MONOchrome, then shouldn't black, white and some other color be considered a DUOtone? Being in the printer business, I never consider white a color. It is the absence of color. It is the screen or the paper.


Agreed. however the challenge description specifically allows black and white images for this challenge as meeting the challenge. So anyone who marks images down because they are black and white are trolls. Black and white (whether meeting the technical criteria for duotone or not) DOES meet the challenge in this case. If you have an issue with black and white being included, don't blame and punish the folks that entered them and call them mis-informed...send an email to Langdon and complain to him...he picks the challenges and descriptions!!!!


Totally agree with this...I do not mark down because they are B&W (the major majority of my photograph votes are 6 or higher) I am not marking them down...I am just inquiring on the ones that I do see a tone (say blue or whatever) what their other tone is...for instance on mine...I converted to B&W/Grayscale using RBG equaling 100%, then I took green out and added red...therefore creating "almost" a sepia look and therefore creating my duotone...everyone has a different approach/thought on this...and I respect that...I have eternal respect for all in this challenge...there is some wonderful work here...pat yourselves on the back...

I'm sorry folks I was just venting this morning...didn't mean to stir the hornet's nest...but this is interesting I might add
 06/17/2009 03:36:33 PM · #239
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Sorry to add to the argument, but I had to put my 2 cents in. If black and white is considered MONOchrome, then shouldn't black, white and some other color be considered a DUOtone? Being in the printer business, I never consider white a color. It is the absence of color. It is the screen or the paper.


I totally agree with this, but as an aside I'd comment that most serious fine-art "duotone" printing involves a second plate with additional black ink being laid down. This is how the great B/W photography books are printed, with two runs of black ink on separate screens, to richen up the black tones and more closely emulate the power of the actual photographic print.

So yes, in the "real world" B/W can be a duotone, and often is. "Chrome" and "tone" don't mean the same thing; monochrome is one color, duochrome is two colors, white is not a color. A "tone" is specifically a different value of the same color, a different luminance of it.

R.


ok...so I have one more question and I will "try to shut-up" Is Black a color or not...when I went to school 30 years ago it wasn't a color just like white isn't a color...and every other color in the spectrum comes from RGB -thus tones right...(I am not arguing...I am asking if that has changed during the process of time...)

06/17/2009 04:04:12 PM · #240
Moving up a bit

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As far as what is or is not a duotone, I am going with if it looks right, then it meets the spirit of the challenge. Haven't voted yet.

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 06/17/2009 04:16:59 PM · #241
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I finally got to 5...woohoo, I might have done better if I had understood Duotone as well as all the Duotoner's or maybe if I would have picked a better subject but then I would need to take the entire blame which I am not prepared to do at this time:)
 06/17/2009 04:43:23 PM · #242
Ok, this sucks! Score went from 6.02 something yesterday at 70 votes to:

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With no comments as to why.
 06/17/2009 04:43:40 PM · #243
ohmy. .. not to change the subject, but I have to share this while it lasts, because I absolutely feel certain it will be a brief stay :)

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Sigh. I will not be pressing update, and I don't even want to look again. See ya Monday :) Just kidding. . . sort of.

06/17/2009 04:44:00 PM · #244
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slight improvement...things are looking up...
 06/17/2009 04:50:11 PM · #245
Originally posted by Ja-9:
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slight improvement...things are looking up...


Got your comment thanks Janine and it appears you had to lokk at my image for more than a couple of seconds to 'get it' so thats good :) And, its taken me a while but I get your username now Ja-9 = Ja Nine :)
 06/17/2009 04:50:52 PM · #246
Originally posted by SandyP:
ohmy. .. not to change the subject, but I have to share this while it lasts, because I absolutely feel certain it will be a brief stay :)

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Sigh. I will not be pressing update, and I don't even want to look again. See ya Monday :) Just kidding. . . sort of.


::gasp::...Nobody breathe....Shhhhhh!

But, I have to ask...is yours Black and White?!!!

(j/k...do not answer that question!)
 06/17/2009 05:02:57 PM · #247
Sorry guys,,,I don't consider B&W as duotone for this challenge or it would had been a B&W challenge. Go ahead and hang me, but I'm marking down those images. I'm still at 5.877 average vote so it shouldn't hurt to much... :)
 06/17/2009 05:06:30 PM · #248
Originally posted by ace flyman:
Sorry guys,,,I don't consider B&W as duotone for this challenge or it would had been a B&W challenge. Go ahead and hang me, but I'm marking down those images. I'm still at 5.877 average vote so it shouldn't hurt to much... :)


Erm, try reading the challenge description - the bit that says Black and White is acceptable ;) (my image isn't B&W btw)
06/17/2009 05:15:02 PM · #249
And that's the irony between Challenge title vs Challenge details. :)

Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Erm, try reading the challenge description - the bit that says Black and White is acceptable ;) (my image isn't B&W btw)
06/17/2009 05:18:54 PM · #250
Yes, I do agree they conflict with each other but do feel they should be read together which would mean B&W is acceptable. That said I'm sure many voters will have been marking down B&W images and one reason why my image was a duotone plus, the duotone helps the image story imho (hence the 5.4 lol)

Originally posted by ace flyman:
And that's the irony between Challenge title vs Challenge details. :)

Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Erm, try reading the challenge description - the bit that says Black and White is acceptable ;) (my image isn't B&W btw)
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