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04/12/2009 08:17:37 AM · #226 |
Originally posted by Ja-9:
Originally posted by steefmcbeef:
i'm over halfway there! hopefully my comments are helpful, or at least not offensive. i always get a little nervous leaving critical comments, but i wish people did it for me more often so i'm making the effort.
You have rated 185 of 328 images (56%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 185 images (56%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.1081. |
I really noticed that when I started "studying" the photos and doing my commenting that my average vote went up considerably..it takes alot for me to vote below a 4, and I rarely give out a 10...your average looks very good for this challenge...and personally...I just wish someone would say something to me about what their "first" and "thought through" impression was/is. In the last FS...I got NO comments and my score was almost my PW...now me I loved the picture, but I have no idea what others thought of it and it scored very low. It does help you when you get constructive critiques and it makes you look at your photos closer. |
I agree with you that if you are going to vote on an image, it's incumbent on the part of the reviewer to at least make an effort to comment on what didn't work for them and what did. If you vote, you have an opinion and if you have an opinion, you should be at least able to articulate that opinion and offer some feedback even if it's negative.
Having said that, and this is something you've heard from me before and I'm sure will hear again, it honestly doesn't matter what somebody thinks - if it pleases you, then that's all that matters. In this type of averaged voting system, the mean is ALWAYS going to be - well, average and generally a bell curve. The proletariat will ensure that everything comes to equal - it's a fairly Eastern ying/yang concept - everything is, and strives to be, in balance including voting.
If you compose a shot for what you think will give you a good score, then you are automatically going to shoot for average instead of composing an image that pleases your eye and your asthetic values. And what's more important? To me, it's creating something unique and technically challenging in post processing. To others, it may be the perfect landscape or portrait or whatever. Pleasing yourself is the best way to approach the issue and learning from others the techniques they used and applying them, or interpreting them in your own way, will force the learning curve to be steeper and the results will be automatically much better.
Or at least that's my story and I'm sticking to it. :>)
Later,
Tom |
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04/12/2009 08:27:06 AM · #227 |
Thank you for a great comment  Teafran !
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Comments: 7
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Message edited by author 2009-04-12 08:27:25. |
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04/12/2009 08:53:41 AM · #228 |
| Thank you from me too...He left a very nice comment on mine as well... |
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04/12/2009 08:59:44 AM · #229 |
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Avg Vote: 5.5200
Comments: 8
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Updated: 04/12/09 08:59 am
kind of holding study.... |
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04/12/2009 12:16:15 PM · #230 |
Originally posted by Teafran:
If you compose a shot for what you think will give you a good score, then you are automatically going to shoot for average instead of composing an image that pleases your eye and your asthetic values. |
Agreed on that point. I think I have gotten my own photography to a point where I am more often entering the image that pleases me personally. Either that, or sometimes I am going out on a limb and expecting a middling score, but trying to appeal to a certain group. In the latter case, the comments mean more than the average score. Then there are my shoehorns, which I consider a success based strictly on comments. |
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04/12/2009 12:32:48 PM · #231 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by Teafran:
If you compose a shot for what you think will give you a good score, then you are automatically going to shoot for average instead of composing an image that pleases your eye and your asthetic values. |
Agreed on that point. I think I have gotten my own photography to a point where I am more often entering the image that pleases me personally. Either that, or sometimes I am going out on a limb and expecting a middling score, but trying to appeal to a certain group. In the latter case, the comments mean more than the average score. Then there are my shoehorns, which I consider a success based strictly on comments. |
I think that that this is a narrow point of view. I have learned a lot from the way people voted on my shots. Mostly on technicalities. My shots were not focused right, they were not sharp enough or there were minimal details that were distracting and so on...
I realize of course that people are voting on subject and usually don't go out of the box. But I think that this is the cost for learning. And we can learn a lot through other people eyes! |
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04/12/2009 02:41:05 PM · #232 |
Josh's method of madness:
Rule 1: Don't vote in challenges that I'm entered in. No bias whatsoever. Can vote purely on merits of shot without any subtle unconscious or gut feelings about it being "better or worse than mine."
Rule 2: Every shot starts at a 5, since we're working on a 1-10 scale. There are stinkers out there - we all can agree here.(see Brown Ribbon winners) If YOU KNOW your shot is a stinker, don't enter it. Simple as that. If I think it's a stinker, the number range of 1-4 is available. And just because you enter an amazingly incredible and detailed landscape into an "Abstract" challenge, doesn't mean I'm going to give you a 10. A 1 is more appropriate here, for obvious reasons. "Shoehorn" comes to mind.
Rule 3: Probably the more controversial rule - If your shot is easily recognizable (i.e. same subject or model used over and over and over again) you'll probably only get a maximum of a 5 or 6 from me. I really like to see shots that are unique and make me scratch my head wondering how they set it up. I'm just one voter in a sea of hundreds, so if you can consistently bring to the table different shots for the various challenges, you'll score higher in my book.
That's about it.
Oh, and for Texture:
Votes: 162
Views: 259
Avg Vote: PB++
Comments: 11
Message edited by author 2009-04-12 14:46:19. |
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04/12/2009 02:55:19 PM · #233 |
Originally posted by ti_evom:
Josh's method of madness:
Rule 1: Don't vote in challenges that I'm entered in. No bias whatsoever. Can vote purely on merits of shot without any subtle unconscious or gut feelings about it being "better or worse than mine." |
Well, I agree with your remaining rules...but not #1...I personally have no problem voting on s challenge that I have entered...I look at each picture individually (I will admit that sometimes I will chant to my self...mine is better) but my judgment is done on the merits of that individual picture...sharpness, tone, colors, DNMC and the uniqueness of the execution. I guess I am not so experienced to possibly think that mine and mine only could win....ya, like that would happen...I know that there are many of you out there that follow rule #1....but, if you wish to keep the voting trolls away...and not complain about them...then you need to vote as much as you can even on the challenges that you are in...8>) |
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04/12/2009 04:01:59 PM · #234 |
Originally posted by Ja-9:
but, if you wish to keep the voting trolls away...and not complain about them...then you need to vote as much as you can even on the challenges that you are in...8>) |
Voting doesn't keep the "trolls" away. The low voters are just that, consistently low voters.(look for the 3-4 avg vote given in profile) On average, they affect everyone. They cannot target specific entrants (unless those shots are based on Rule #3). |
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04/12/2009 04:38:31 PM · #235 |
| I get the most out of the challenges where I'm entering and voting. I'm a lot more interested in all the photos when it's a competition I've entered. I like seeing other people's interpretations of the challenge. I like looking at what techniques they used that I hadn't thought of. I enjoy seeing photos that are better than mine--because that's what I'm aspiring too. If I was the best photographer on the site, the site wouldn't interest me. The only time I end up comparing my photo to others that are entered, are when they are of the same, exact thing. When 5 or 6 of us did onions for the "skin" challenge, I did compare mine to others. But I voted based on what I would have scored mine--not what mine was getting. E.g., if I would have scored mine an 8, ones on the same level got 8s. (not, "I'm getting a 6, so you all are getting 5s & 6s). |
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04/12/2009 04:42:13 PM · #236 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I get the most out of the challenges where I'm entering and voting. I'm a lot more interested in all the photos when it's a competition I've entered. I like seeing other people's interpretations of the challenge. I like looking at what techniques they used that I hadn't thought of. I enjoy seeing photos that are better than mine--because that's what I'm aspiring too. If I was the best photographer on the site, the site wouldn't interest me. The only time I end up comparing my photo to others that are entered, are when they are of the same, exact thing. When 5 or 6 of us did onions for the "skin" challenge, I did compare mine to others. But I voted based on what I would have scored mine--not what mine was getting. E.g., if I would have scored mine an 8, ones on the same level got 8s. (not, "I'm getting a 6, so you all are getting 5s & 6s). |
hear hear...spot on... |
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04/12/2009 05:15:07 PM · #237 |
Originally posted by ssocrates:
I realize of course that people are voting on subject and usually don't go out of the box. But I think that this is the cost for learning. And we can learn a lot through other people eyes! |
Exactly. I think we are agreeing and you just didn't realize it. I have most of the technicals down, and at a certain point the best thing is to experiment and see what both pleases me and appeals to others as well.
I interpret what others leave as comments, taking it in context. Just because someone critiques the composition or colors does not mean it is wrong. I often get comments that are in conflict about the same aspect of the image. One has to not take it as gospel, but as an opinion that is worth consideration. If I get several opinions on the same thing, or I agree with the critique, then I know it did not come off well.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone else play the game that I do, where in my pre-challenge notes I try to anticipate what the critiques will be? |
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04/12/2009 05:17:59 PM · #238 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I get the most out of the challenges where I'm entering and voting. I'm a lot more interested in all the photos when it's a competition I've entered. I like seeing other people's interpretations of the challenge. I like looking at what techniques they used that I hadn't thought of. |
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04/12/2009 06:25:21 PM · #239 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I get the most out of the challenges where I'm entering and voting. I'm a lot more interested in all the photos when it's a competition I've entered. I like seeing other people's interpretations of the challenge. I like looking at what techniques they used that I hadn't thought of. I enjoy seeing photos that are better than mine--because that's what I'm aspiring too. If I was the best photographer on the site, the site wouldn't interest me. |
I agree - I've also learned to look through the images to get a feel for the other entries before voting.
The whole process (looking, scoring, commenting, and seeing the results at the end of the challenge) helps me understand, hopefully, where I land up scorewise - except for in a free study when there's no common thread of topicality. |
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04/12/2009 06:57:51 PM · #240 |
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Oh, and for Texture:
Votes: 162
Views: 259
Avg Vote: PB++
Comments: 11 [/quote]
Wow. From the scores that everyone else is posting you should definitely ribbon this one. PB++ you have to be over 7! That's gotta be ribbon territory. I can't wait to see what score I gave you. |
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04/12/2009 09:58:25 PM · #241 |
Textures VI
Votes: 159
Views: 223
Avg Vote: 5.6730
Comments: 9
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 04/12/09 09:10 pm
And the slow rise cont. come on, a 6 would be lovely...lol a girl can dream. |
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04/13/2009 12:33:17 AM · #242 |
| I don't know about anyone else, but the voters have not been very kind on Easter Sunday. My score has dropped all day (after rising Friday & Saturday with some great comments). Go figure. |
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04/13/2009 02:07:08 AM · #243 |
Votes: 156
Views: 200
Avg Vote: 4.5128
Comments: 3
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 04/13/09 02:04 am
this may be my best score yet.....
yeah......!!!
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04/13/2009 07:11:02 AM · #244 |
Votes: 157
Views: 236
Avg Vote: 6.0382
Comments: 11 |
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04/13/2009 09:45:51 AM · #245 |
What's PB++?
Message edited by author 2009-04-13 09:45:59. |
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04/13/2009 10:21:14 AM · #246 |
Originally posted by maggieddd:
What's PB++? |
PB typically means "personal best" and i'm guessing the ++ means it's a personal best by a fairly large margin |
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04/13/2009 11:13:01 AM · #247 |
Votes: 156
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Avg Vote: 5.8718
Comments: 8
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04/13/2009 11:17:31 AM · #248 |
Originally posted by steefmcbeef:
Originally posted by maggieddd:
What's PB++? |
PB typically means "personal best" and i'm guessing the ++ means it's a personal best by a fairly large margin |
Has it occurred to anyone that he might be saying...PB = Personal Bombed?
:P
I wish mine was a personal best. :(
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04/13/2009 01:42:53 PM · #249 |
| My score is a PB.. but then it's only my second challenge entry lol |
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04/13/2009 06:36:34 PM · #250 |
| PB++ means Extra Peanut Butter. |
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