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05/06/2004 12:19:32 AM · #1
I took this picture at a car show, I cloned out the light poles, I was wanting to know if this was breaking photographic integrity. It makes the photo look much better, and I really couldn't have gotten a better shot there were either a sea of cars in any other direction or the poles that were sticking up everywhere. Really like the clouds and the poles gone just allows you to concentrate on the things that are important. Anyways tell me what yall think.

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05/06/2004 12:23:11 AM · #2
I have no problem with cloning out things that do not have a direct effect on the image. Also, you are shooting this for your own pleasure, not for journalistic purposes. Do what you want. Make the image as good as it can be.

My 2 cents.
05/06/2004 12:25:13 AM · #3
What about the truck?
05/06/2004 12:29:16 AM · #4
Originally posted by mariomel:

I have no problem with cloning out things that do not have a direct effect on the image. Also, you are shooting this for your own pleasure, not for journalistic purposes. Do what you want. Make the image as good as it can be.

My 2 cents.


I agree. If it were for some journalistic purpose, leave it as shot (shy of crop, levels, and whatnot), but if its for personal or art...go for it.
05/06/2004 12:35:27 AM · #5
Originally posted by faidoi:

What about the truck?


I wanted it in there. That's why I entitled it "Beauty and The Beast"
05/06/2004 12:48:01 AM · #6
We don't have photographic integrity around here any more.
Very nice shot and you did a good job on the poles. There are a couple of spots on the pavement I'd clean up too.
05/06/2004 01:31:25 AM · #7
I think that would be alright, although untrue. And thus would be disqualified from a challenge.
Is that correct thinking?
05/06/2004 01:48:44 AM · #8
Originally posted by coolhar:

We don't have photographic integrity around here any more.

I hope we do. We just don't have a written definition all in one place which would allow you to get the same yes-or-no answer from everyone.
05/06/2004 03:16:45 AM · #9
this "photographic integrity" seems to me more and more like a fairy tale like 'santa clause" or "easter bunny".. i mean it is something somebody came up with and everybody else kinda took it as it was told..
it is something people go bitter over it complaining ABOUT "the lack of it".. kinda like "UFO'S" "I WANNA BELIEVE"...
05/06/2004 09:29:53 AM · #10
Originally posted by Zoomdak:

I think that would be alright, although untrue. And thus would be disqualified from a challenge.
Is that correct thinking?


I think this would be legal in a member challenge.
05/06/2004 09:54:06 AM · #11
If this came up as a shot recommended for DQ, I would vote "No DQ" for it with the poles cloned out, but I can't say that everyone would vote the same on Site Council.

This is a bit of a gray area, undoubtedly, as the new version of the rules prohibit the removal of "major elements" of a photo. A "major element" to one person may not be a major element to another. I would consider the poles *not* to be a major element, personally, and I wouldn't mind them being cloned out.

The truck would definitely be a different story, though.

If this were a purely photojournalistic photo, meant to be published as such, the poles would have to stay.

On Site Council, we simply do our best to use the best judgement in these cases, and majority rules.
05/06/2004 10:15:46 AM · #12
See that's what I thought, the poles have nothing to do with the photo, and take away from what the main subjects are...the bike, truck, and I believe the clouds.
05/06/2004 10:34:06 AM · #13
Title: Hot Wheels -- Poles can go

Title: World of Light = Skyline Blight -- Poles gotta stay

Personally, I agree with your assessment of this photo and editing decisions, but each of us, and every photo, is different ...
05/06/2004 10:56:05 PM · #14
bump...need to see what some others think
05/06/2004 11:09:14 PM · #15
As long as you are not altering an image to tell a story that isn't there then I see no harm in removing distracting articles, like poles, which do not contribute. I think putting something into a photo would be a different story. If we view photography as an art then as artist's we may take liberties in order to express what we are trying to present or say.
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