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 06/24/2002 03:07:35 PM · #51
Originally posted by langdon:
I have a question real quick. I've seen cameras put dates on images, but never in this fashion with a black border around it. Can someone with an A40 attest to the fact that the CAMERA put the date on the shot?


I just got the A40 10 days ago, This picture is taken on a Camera I have access to a work. its a Canon sllso but I cant remember the fullname I´ll post it here to morrow.

 06/24/2002 03:07:36 PM · #52
That is true. That is a toughy. I think lang's suggestion that others with that style of date stamp be shown to estblish whether or not that is the way that CAMERA works, for one, is a good one.

I dont want to establish a precedent that we're all a bunch of 'patsies'. But on the whole I don't think most people here are trying to sucker the system.

Originally posted by clubjuggle:
My concern is that whatever is done at this point will send a message.

If the photo is disqualified, it sends a clear and unequivocal message that cheating is not acceptable here, and that there's no point to even trying. If, on the other hand, this photo is allowed to stand, the message is that cheating is worth a shot, because if you're pretty good with Photoshop you can keep people fooled for a week, and it doesn't matter if people notice once you've won and the spotlight is on you.

As far as being a content-edit, I'm not sure that's the case. MCI's point about the relative sized of the edits is a valid one. I wonder if the "original" we were shown is not an original, and the date was added after the fact. This suggests that there is a "real" original out there somewhere, with a date stamp outside the challenge dates.


 06/24/2002 03:14:56 PM · #53
Originally posted by siggithor:


I just got the A40 10 days ago, This picture is taken on a Camera I have access to a work. its a Canon sllso but I cant remember the fullname I´ll post it here to morrow.



On the picture page, it says it was taken with a Kodak DC4800. I don''t have an opinion one way or another on that fact, but thought I''d note.



* This message has been edited by the author on 6/24/2002 3:14:36 PM.
 06/24/2002 03:19:09 PM · #54
Originally posted by Kimbly:

On the picture page, it says it was taken with a Kodak DC4800. I don''t have an opinion one way or another on that fact, but thought I''d note.


I was gunna say that if any camera puts a date like that one the photo it''s going to be a Kodak. They like to use that nasty big ole'' comic sans font. I have a Kodak DC290, and I know it used that same font the menus, but I don''t recall ever seeing the date on a photo.

- Mike


* This message has been edited by the author on 6/24/2002 3:21:00 PM.
 06/24/2002 03:19:11 PM · #55
The EXIF data of the originals say it is taken with a Kodak DC290 Zoom.
 06/24/2002 03:20:46 PM · #56
does the exif provide the date, too?

Originally posted by Remie:
The EXIF data of the originals say it is taken with a Kodak DC290 Zoom.


 06/24/2002 03:23:54 PM · #57
yeah. it says june 13. 2 weeks ago : P Which is basically the same as the datestamp on there. .

Originally posted by gr8photos:
does the exif provide the date, too?

Originally posted by Remie:
[i]The EXIF data of the originals say it is taken with a Kodak DC290 Zoom.

* This message has been edited by the author on 6/24/2002 3:25:41 PM.
 06/24/2002 03:26:43 PM · #58
Originally posted by gr8photos:
does the exif provide the date, too?

Originally posted by Remie:
[i]The EXIF data of the originals say it is taken with a Kodak DC290 Zoom.
[/i]

Yep the date is alright and the EXIF-data seem to be orignal too. (on the one with the removed date, it shows that is edited with photopaint).
So it's pretty sure that the original with the date realy is authentic!
 06/24/2002 03:28:14 PM · #59
Originally posted by siggithor:
Originally posted by langdon:
[i]I have a question real quick. I've seen cameras put dates on images, but never in this fashion with a black border around it. Can someone with an A40 attest to the fact that the CAMERA put the date on the shot?


I just got the A40 10 days ago, This picture is taken on a Camera I have access to a work. its a Canon sllso but I cant remember the fullname I´ll post it here to morrow.

[/i]

He's got a A40, He says the photo was taken on a Canon, but the exif says it was taken on a Kodak:- Ughh "Scratches Head". Its a great image and if Siggithor took it then it deserves to win, but if not then the rightful winner should take their place. I spend all week looking for a picture to submit and while i don't expect to beat some of the really good photographers in here, I would not like to see some1 "Potentially" cheated of there moment of glory.
 06/24/2002 03:33:11 PM · #60
Originally posted by Dogman:
I would not like to see some1 "Potentially" cheated of there moment of glory.

I would. It's pretty obvious that the guy spot-edited the photo to take out a date stamp, and i *believe* that falls somewhere in the area of "Absolutely no spot-editing."

DQ. DQ. DQ.
 06/24/2002 03:37:49 PM · #61
Originally posted by ryano:
Originally posted by Dogman:
[i]I would not like to see some1 "Potentially" cheated of there moment of glory.

I would. It's pretty obvious that the guy spot-edited the photo to take out a date stamp, and i *believe* that falls somewhere in the area of "Absolutely no spot-editing."

DQ. DQ. DQ.[/i]

I was speaking about second place ;-)
 06/24/2002 03:42:49 PM · #62
Everybody here has a good point.

Regardless of the prize, rules are rules. I have seen some other folks get DQ'ed for simple edits or just goofy things and it would not be fair to them if we ignore one now.

It sounds trivial I know..but it's the only way to be fair to others in the past who may have been DQ'ed for trivial things too.

Just my opinion.
 06/24/2002 03:45:23 PM · #63
Originally posted by hokie:
Everybody here has a good point.

Regardless of the prize, rules are rules. I have seen some other folks get DQ'ed for simple edits or just goofy things and it would not be fair to them if we ignore one now.

It sounds trivial I know..but it's the only way to be fair to others in the past who may have been DQ'ed for trivial things too.

Just my opinion.

Agreed. Other photographers have been penalized for similar edits before.

Though we usually don't see eye to eye, I have to agree with Ryan here. "Absolutely no spot editing" is pretty clear.

-Terry
 06/24/2002 03:45:24 PM · #64
Originally posted by arnit:
Rules are rules... or are they?

Yes the rules are the rules. However as Orwell's pig said "we are all equal. Some of us are more equal than others."
 06/24/2002 03:47:05 PM · #65
Originally posted by heritcon:
Originally posted by arnit:
[i]Rules are rules... or are they?

Yes the rules are the rules. However as Orwell's pig said "we are all equal. Some of us are more equal than others."[/i]

So that's the million-dollar question. How equal are we?

-Terry
 06/24/2002 03:50:15 PM · #66
I just hope this doesn't lead to people becoming paranoid and examining
every winning photograph in the hopes of finding some broken rule (how you have time for that is beyond me). I understand that some of you may be upset if you feel he "cheated," for I too take a lot of time coming up with my ideas for photos, using my own lighting and following all the rules, but I still say his photo should remain the winner. If you are dead-set on finding things "wrong" with the photos submitted here, then find them BEFORE the challenge ends. Finding them afterward and yelling "DQ DQ DQ" just makes you sound like a sore loser.
 06/24/2002 03:52:21 PM · #67
i think that strong examination of some of the photos on this site has been going on for quite a while...
 06/24/2002 03:52:59 PM · #68
Well, I"m kind of new around here, JM, so I wouldn't know that. But if it's true, than that is pretty sad.
 06/24/2002 03:59:06 PM · #69
I think it makes more sense to scrutinize the winning shots than all of the submitted shots. This is what people do in sport competition and beauty pageants.

Letting a clearly spot-edited shot, regardless of intention and nature of editing, will send the wrong message that people should submit any picture regardless of such rules. If the picture wins, who cares.

JMH 2 cents.
 06/24/2002 04:02:08 PM · #70
Originally posted by CEO:
I think it makes more sense to scrutinize the winning shots than all of the submitted shots. This is what people do in sport competition and beauty pageants.

Letting a clearly spot-edited shot, regardless of intention and nature of editing, will send the wrong message that people should submit any picture regardless of such rules. If the picture wins, who cares.

JMH 2 cents.

Ya, kinda like letting a winning gold medalist retain the gold even if they were found to have used steroids after the fact.

 06/24/2002 04:07:08 PM · #71
Originally posted by mpmcgeehan:
I just hope this doesn't lead to people becoming paranoid and examining
every winning photograph in the hopes of finding some broken rule (how you have time for that is beyond me). I understand that some of you may be upset if you feel he "cheated," for I too take a lot of time coming up with my ideas for photos, using my own lighting and following all the rules, but I still say his photo should remain the winner. If you are dead-set on finding things "wrong" with the photos submitted here, then find them BEFORE the challenge ends. Finding them afterward and yelling "DQ DQ DQ" just makes you sound like a sore loser.

It was glaringly obvious on my friend's monitor. It wasn't a matter of looking for it. The curves and levels work was just to confirm what we were seeing before posting about it.

-Terry
 06/24/2002 04:07:23 PM · #72
Well I might as well chime in too. I think that even if it was an honest mistake with a misunderstanding of the rules that this photo should be disqualified. I don't think that whether it is or is not a big deal is really relevant. And as long as the picture is posted on the home page as a winner for a weekthen the contest really isn't over. I think that it is an excellent picture and a disqualification wont negate that. It's just that there are rules and they should be followed. It's that simple.

Tim
06/24/2002 04:08:34 PM · #73
I will state again..for the record..that I didn't get to vote on all of these due to time constraints and didn't notice this until I opened it up this morning. I did not have to "find" anything...because on my monitor at home (I use a Mac G4 with a Sony trinitron monitor), it was staring me dead in the face. I would send you a screen shot if that would help you see. I mentioned it to Terry and we both questioned it. I did a simple levels adjustment just to be sure I wasn't seeing things and there it was. Simple as that. I don't feel like I have to justify my actions to you (mpmgeegan) although it seems to be what I'm feeling I have to do. I did not set out to start a fire anywhere...as you seem to think I have. All I can say is..let's do our best not to judge each other as we are total strangers to each other and I'm not on this site to make enemies. I'm on to follow the rules while having fun. As we all should be. Whatever the outcome of this, I'll be satisfied with it...whether the photo stays or goes. And once again I will state that it is a beautiful photo. I have nothing against that aspect of it.
 06/24/2002 04:11:58 PM · #74
Originally posted by timj351:
Well I might as well chime in too. I think that even if it was an honest mistake with a misunderstanding of the rules that this photo should be disqualified. I don't think that whether it is or is not a big deal is really relevant. And as long as the picture is posted on the home page as a winner for a weekthen the contest really isn't over. I think that it is an excellent picture and a disqualification wont negate that. It's just that there are rules and they should be followed. It's that simple.

Tim


Well-said, Tim. I don't want anyone to think I'm disputing that this is a quality picture. If the same picture were posted on PhotoSIG I'd probably give it three thumbs. But, then again, Photoshop effects are permitted there.
 06/24/2002 04:12:43 PM · #75
Ok.

I have put up several photos that I took that same night on my homepage Http://212.30.195.13.
I took them on a Camera that I have access to at work I cant rember the type of camera.
I can post that here tomorrow (when I get to work)
I bougt a Canon A40 10 days ago and updated my profile.
"As for removing the date stamp" I did not thing I was breaking any rules by doing that. In fact the date stamp was not any where around the sculptur when I shoot the picture but the camera put it there.
It´s not like I was removing a paperbag that got in the way.
Im sorry if this has offended any one.

Like I have said before take my picture out of this challange if you thing this is a rule breaker and I´ll just know better next time.
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