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04/02/2009 04:52:20 PM · #201 |
Originally posted by Teafran:
Originally posted by Nuzzer:
No April Fools joke then, I really do suck...
Votes: 59
Views: 91
Avg Vote: 5.2712
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0 |
An average score does not mean you suck - it means that over the period, a majority thought the image was average. I would take that as a plus - an average image is much better than a lousy image. |
Sure, I should have said "I really do suck according to my own DPC standards..." |
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04/02/2009 05:15:06 PM · #202 |
Votes: 60
Views: 90
Avg Vote: 4.5833
Comments: 1
Favorites: 1
It's really not that bad as the score may indicate (maybe the size restriction has something to do with it). I like it more than my 6.x ones and the favorite means more to me than a good score. |
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04/02/2009 05:29:57 PM · #203 |
| not a peep out of me or I will jinx |
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04/02/2009 05:32:01 PM · #204 |
Originally posted by Pikkel:
not a peep out of me or I will jinx |
Ahhhh but you peeped now |
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04/02/2009 05:32:32 PM · #205 |
Votes: 59
Views: 97
Avg Vote: 5.3898
Comments: 0
Message edited by author 2009-04-02 17:32:38. |
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04/02/2009 07:10:33 PM · #206 |
Votes: 67
Views: 104
Avg Vote: 3.9403
Comments: 4
Anyone want to race me for the brown? :D |
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04/02/2009 07:31:46 PM · #207 |
Originally posted by rinac:
Votes: 67
Views: 104
Avg Vote: 3.9403
Comments: 4
Anyone want to race me for the brown? :D |
Think I spotted yours Rina (didn't vote) and currently thinking our quest to rule dpc by submitting less than pin sharp images isn't working (yet). |
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04/02/2009 08:42:09 PM · #208 |
Originally posted by Teafran:
Originally posted by Brent_S:
Well I just got my first comment after 57 votes and a lower score than I thought I would get and it went like this, "This is a good image, unfortunately, you see similar images all the time both on other forums and here". I appreciate the comment and maybe am wrong in assuming I'm getting voted down for shooting a familiar spot rather than a familiar style. But this spot was new to me in the big city I live in and I thought I shot it pretty well and in a unique way. I hope I don't have to start driving out of town now to blaze a new "uncaptured trail" or suffer in the voting? Some of us live in crowded places with lots of photographers and I hope we can still be judged by the quality of our work regardless of whether someone else has shot the same place before? |
That comment was mine and I think you've taken it the wrong way. I remember it if only because it was good image - by good, I mean technically it met the criteria, in context it was acceptable and properly focused, proper light, yada, yada, yada - but ordinary with nothing to recommend it in any particular way. With respect to seeing it from a composition standpoint - the simple truth is that these kinds of images are submitted all the time across camera groups and they are all the same - there is nothing to recommend them - technically they are good, but not outstanding, extra ordinary, show stopping - you name it. If you take an ordinary everyday scene and photography, you need to significantly impact the viewer by doing something out of the ordinary - a different angle, a different compositon - maybe an overlay, false color, infrared - you need to be creative with the ordinary in other words is what I was trying to impart.
I'll give you an example of what I mean. I do a lot of competition dispute adjutication for six different clubs - it's a talent. :>) Recently, just by pure accident, there were four submissions by members of one club who all took a shot of Crater Lake - from the same spot on the same day of the same subject - two of the images were actualy taken one hour apart. Out of the four, one was significantly better than the others - all of which, by the way, were very good images - but ordinary. The one I judged to be the best was unique in that the photographer had used the light to the best advantage, used slightly different angle, a different style lens (a 11-22mm) and lower ISO with longer exposure time - it stood out and I agreed with the judging panel that it was the best of the four. The nice thing about it was that when my decison was explained to the other three photographers, they eventually came around to seeing what I meant and everybody went home happy.
You don't have to go to extremes to get and/or create a unique image - you just need to be creative with the ordinary. That's what I was getting at.
You may now return to your regularly scheduled programming. :>)
PS: I rated all 475 images and commented on 175 - took five hours over two days. And I enjoyed every single minute of it. :>) |
Well thanks for taking the time to explain your comment in more detail Teafran. I was more concerned that my image was being voted down for the frequently photographed spot rather than the way I shot it. I think I did make my shot unique using an ND filter to get a 30 second exposure and some movement in the scene as well as waiting for the best light I could get, but maybe that didn't seem apparent to you. It isn't doing horribly in the voting. I knew the weather wasn't magic for me and the best I could do was just a "good" shot. I just hoped it would be good enough to pull my average up a little rather than drag it down a bit. It seems few are happy with their scores over the last day or so. |
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04/02/2009 10:24:41 PM · #209 |
psst, Brent. Please do not say anything that could identify your image. Perhaps the details you mentioned could have been in a pm to the OP? Just giving you a heads up before you get spanked by the SC! (and kudos to both of you for having an intelligent discussion on the comment and staying on point)
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04/02/2009 10:32:14 PM · #210 |
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Think I spotted yours Rina (didn't vote) and currently thinking our quest to rule dpc by submitting less than pin sharp images isn't working (yet). |
Yes, not yet Andi, but one day they will succumb... ah ah ahhh ;) |
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04/02/2009 10:36:43 PM · #211 |
Votes: 72
Views: 118
Avg Vote: 6.1250
Comments: 3
If this holds, will be my 3rd best score, and my best FS score.
I notice that the 1000 challenge spoiled me with the pace of votes and comments--this seems glacial in comparison :-)
Finished voting--lots of high (8, 9, 10) scorers in this FS (and not all of them were tack sharp ;-) |
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04/02/2009 10:39:40 PM · #212 |
Originally posted by rinac:
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Think I spotted yours Rina (didn't vote) and currently thinking our quest to rule dpc by submitting less than pin sharp images isn't working (yet). |
Yes, not yet Andi, but one day they will succumb... ah ah ahhh ;) |
The first step in the diabolical plan is to get  Posthumousonto the SC. The plan was on schedule, but recently hit an unanticipated snag when he left a comment on one of my shots critiquing me on technicals. We currently have him enrolled in a 12-step plan. |
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04/02/2009 10:41:49 PM · #213 |
Originally posted by Brent_S:
I knew the weather wasn't magic for me and the best I could do was just a "good" shot. I just hoped it would be good enough to pull my average up a little rather than drag it down a bit. It seems few are happy with their scores over the last day or so. |
If you would allow me to wax philosophical for a few minutes, I'd like to discuss this.
If you are shooting for average, or to up a numerical score, then you are doing it for the wrong reason. It means that you are pressing for a good score rather than a good, or excellant image. Competition is one thing - producing a memorable image is quite another - it may seem that one is a by-product of the other, but they are mutually exclusive when it comes to execution of an idea or concept.
Part of the problem is the sheer volume of images produced with digital photography. Look at the recent Free Study challenge - 475 images and a lot of them were very similar in concept. In the Abstract Motion challenge, there were five images that were identical in concept - speaking of the sweep hand of a watch face. One of them was very different and I scored it the highest because it was unique in expressing the same theme as the others, but in a unique way.
What was the difference? Obviously the author took the time to think it out and probably understood that a one second sweep would be a common approach - so the author went a different direction.
My point is this - just shooting an image isn't going to make it score well - thinking the image through, working with the light, using the camera in a thoughtful way is going to create a high scoring image - the scoring is the by-product of the thought process, not the other way around. I can think of a dozen different ways your particular image might have been improved, but I'm not you. :>)
If I may, I would suggest that you forget about scores and just concentrate on producing the best image you can - there were elements in that image that worked and if you take the time on the next challenge to just produce the best image you can, it will be rewarding. Don't take a lot of shots to get the perfect one either - just concentrate on what's in front of you and take that one image.
Ansel Adams once said that if he produced 8 images in a year that were good, he was doing well. Think about that when you prepare for image for the next challenge.
Good luck - all the best. |
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04/02/2009 10:54:58 PM · #214 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by rinac:
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Think I spotted yours Rina (didn't vote) and currently thinking our quest to rule dpc by submitting less than pin sharp images isn't working (yet). |
Yes, not yet Andi, but one day they will succumb... ah ah ahhh ;) |
The first step in the diabolical plan is to get Posthumousonto the SC. The plan was on schedule, but recently hit an unanticipated snag when he left a comment on one of my shots critiquing me on technicals. We currently have him enrolled in a 12-step plan. |
tsk... 12 steps is 11 too many... Is there a fast-track scheme available? |
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04/02/2009 11:07:45 PM · #215 |
Originally posted by rinac:
tsk... 12 steps is 11 too many... Is there a fast-track scheme available? |
Ah, yes. The alternative plan consists of whacking him upside the head with a Holga. |
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04/02/2009 11:09:39 PM · #216 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by rinac:
tsk... 12 steps is 11 too many... Is there a fast-track scheme available? |
Ah, yes. The alternative plan consists of whacking him upside the head with a Holga. |
That ought to do it! |
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04/02/2009 11:13:36 PM · #217 |
Votes: 73
Views: 98
Avg Vote: 5.7671
Comments: 1
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04/02/2009 11:18:42 PM · #218 |
Votes: 70
Views: 118
Avg Vote: 5.7000
Comments: 1
Favorites: 1
Wow, this is cool! |
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04/02/2009 11:47:21 PM · #219 |
No, no, no say it can't be true?
Originally posted by rinac:
Votes: 67
Views: 104
Avg Vote: 3.9403
Comments: 4
Anyone want to race me for the brown? :D |
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04/02/2009 11:53:30 PM · #220 |
Originally posted by salmiakki:
No, no, no say it can't be true?
Originally posted by rinac:
Votes: 67
Views: 104
Avg Vote: 3.9403
Comments: 4
Anyone want to race me for the brown? :D |
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Alas Sarah... it is true.
If I don't get the brown for this, I'M LEAVING DPC FOR GOOD! ;P |
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04/02/2009 11:56:07 PM · #221 |
| Nope I'm afraid I'll lose that race to |
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04/03/2009 12:04:38 AM · #222 |
Originally posted by rinac:
I'M LEAVING DPC FOR GOOD! ;P |
Ha ha.... |
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04/03/2009 12:23:27 PM · #223 |
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
Votes: 17
Views: 25
Avg Vote: 6.3529
Comments: 1 |
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Views: 112
Avg Vote: 6.3421
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04/03/2009 12:32:38 PM · #224 |
Votes: 77
Views: 128
Avg Vote: 6.4675
Comments: 5
I was at 7.something at 47 votes... One day I will learn to turn of votes until the week is nearly over. |
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04/03/2009 12:47:00 PM · #225 |
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