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05/05/2004 12:38:04 AM · #27

bad luck mavrik, next time. I can only imagine how you must feel too see yourself wining for one lowzy second then someone pulls the carpet under your feet. Well but SC are human beings made a mistake, sort of like you did with the date. I remember a guy that had a 2003 date on a Nikon d70 (camera whas only released sometime in march this year) if that whasn't a proof I don't see what better you could come up with. Better luck next time.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

05/05/2004 12:39:57 AM · #28

Because the exif data was a) in the future and b) clearly proven wrong by ACTUAL fact.

I understand the reason for such a strict rule. In this case, it was the wrong enforcement. Not because it was "me" but because I gave SC MORE proof within an hour or two that showed that I ABSOLUTELY took the image when I said i did WITHIN the dates.

M

theodor38

Nikon D70

05/05/2004 12:41:25 AM · #29

hey mavrick...
you have to realize that it is in the rules and to keep more confusion avoided it is best to folow the rules.. because than someone might have clever scam to submit images taken outside of the dates with some fabricated proof. and trust me it is not that hard.. i mean i understand your pain and i loved your picture.. it was the only picture i gave a 10 i think... but there is no way around it...
sorry for this unfortunate event...

loz1

Canon EOS-450D Rebel XSi

05/05/2004 12:43:07 AM · #30

Originally posted by theodor38:

but he didn't actually break any rules, because the photo was taken in the time frame.

05/05/2004 12:43:24 AM · #31

Originally posted by frumoaznicul:

I remember a guy that had a 2003 date on a Nikon d70 (camera whas only released sometime in march this year) if that whasn't a proof I don't see what better you could come up with. Better luck next time.

Well, D70 is released in March. Challenge was in April. Could have taken the pic in March. Possible DQ.

I posted a pic of my receipt and pictures I took the same day from the location of that receipt. Pretty simple deduction says "taken the date of receipt" when I offered that proof VERY VERY quickly after the DQ was requested.

Oh and Neuf - the pic is real. I have about 40 others from the same day. Oh wait, when 6/24 comes I'll have those pics.

M

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

05/05/2004 12:44:31 AM · #32

when did this site stop being fun?

ChrisW123

Canon EOS-1000D Rebel XS

05/05/2004 12:44:40 AM · #33

Originally posted by mavrik:

I gave you guys 3 pics that "proved" mine was not.

Although I don't think you are lying and that you really DID take the pic in the required date range, I don't see how a pic could "prove" it was taken inside the required date range unless it was off something that was showing today's date (such as a TV broadcast, etc.).

Can't wait to see your portfollio pics showing this.

HBunch

HP PhotoSmart 315

05/05/2004 12:45:05 AM · #34

Originally posted by mavrik:

I saw proof that you were in that park on that day. I saw photos taken in that park with outside the challenge dates. I saw proof that photos were taken by you in that park on that day. THAT photo? Who knows.
Unfortunatly, we re wrote the date rules for a reason, and this is it. I also voted DQ for the reasons stated by Karmat previously.

05/05/2004 12:46:28 AM · #35

Originally posted by theodor38:

because than someone might have clever scam to submit images taken outside of the dates with some fabricated proof. and trust me it is not that hard..

If I were this clever, I guess I would have more ribbons.

Originally posted by achiral:

When did this site stop being fun?

42 mins ago?

M

EddyG

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

05/05/2004 12:47:08 AM · #36

I'll chime in here and say that I was one of the SC's that voted to not DQ, based on the additional "proof" that was submitted. I felt that in the (rare) case where the photographer can provide convincing enough proof that their challenge entry was taken within the dates, that that additional information can be used to validate the date.

That said, I think this particular DQ will kind of be like a "landmark" Supreme Court decision (Get it? SC. hehe). From now on, my guess is that any entry that is called into question because of invalid dates will be DQ'd without any discussion or consideration of alternative proof, since the rules clearly state that the date in the EXIF data must be within the challenge dates. If somebody tries to submit some other form of proof, the SC will cite "Mavrik's Snail vs. DPC" as the "precedent".

The ongoing discussion about this issue during the past 5-6 days was why the photo was not disqualified sooner.

The majority vote was in favor of upholding the rules as-written, and although that may not be the "popular" decision, that is the way it ended up.

Message edited by author 2004-05-05 01:00:04.

theodor38

Nikon D70

05/05/2004 12:48:11 AM · #37

macrick,
i am sorry but i dont think the pictures you have posted as proof proves that that particular challenge entry picture was taken in challenge dates..

also if this rule doesnt get enforced stricktly.. than people can come up wiht ways around it.. say i realized that a picture i took a month ago in a certain location fits a challenge perfectly and i go and take some more picture in that certain place in challenge dates and post it as proof saying that that entry picture's exif date wasnt set properly(user error).. i mean it just would be more confusion that way trust me..
and i am one of the most open people here and i have to admit site council did the right thing...

i would only question their speed in doing this...

05/05/2004 12:48:15 AM · #38

the funny thing about this whole situation is that on the one hand the only reason i have heard is that site council considers this a black and white issue, with no margin of acceptance at all. then on the other hand, for some reason they have to vote on it. so ridiculous

frumoaznicul

Canon EOS-20D

05/05/2004 12:49:51 AM · #39

Originally posted by mavrik:

I belive you and I completely sympathise with you, I said it when the d70 issue whas and I say it now too, there should be exceptions when there are obvious proofs, like you have. All I'm saying is that they don't seem to want to make any exception on this particular rule. SC can make mistakes to make you feel like s***, you can't.

Message edited by author 2004-05-05 00:50:24.

05/05/2004 12:50:29 AM · #40

Originally posted by hbunch7187:

I have about 50 more from that shoot. Need I post them? I understand the rule. This was a crappy rule enforcement.

Eddy - thank you for understanding. I'm afraid there is nothing I could have done given the recency of the other DQs. Logic didn't win. Oh well.

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loz1

Canon EOS-450D Rebel XSi

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

05/05/2004 12:52:13 AM · #41

Originally posted by theodor38:

You can still do that. There are loads of programs out there that will change the date for you if you want to. Its easy. If you were going to cheat you would do that.

HBunch

HP PhotoSmart 315

05/05/2004 12:53:29 AM · #42

Originally posted by achiral:

We vote on everything. It's not ridiculous at all. We even vote on the ones that are really obvious editing violations. It's just the way it's done.

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

05/05/2004 12:53:50 AM · #43

Originally posted by achiral:

Much of the substance of the debate, and of the vote, was whether we should treat this as a black and white issue. A majority felt that we should.

-Terry

Neuferland

Google Pixel 2

05/05/2004 12:54:28 AM · #44

Originally posted by mavrik:

Oh and Neuf - the pic is real. I have about 40 others from the same day. Oh wait, when 6/24 comes I'll have those pics.

M

I am so jealous! Snails are so cool and to be able to catch them out like that is so rare! At least for me it was! It sucks that your date was set wrong, but I hope you repost the picture anyway, it's awesome and I'm betting will become a site favorite very quickly.

Deannda

05/05/2004 12:54:42 AM · #45

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by achiral:
the funny thing about this whole situation is that on the one hand the only reason i have heard is that site council considers this a black and white issue, with no margin of acceptance at all. then on the other hand, for some reason they have to vote on it. so ridiculous

Much of the substance of the debate, and of the vote, was whether we should treat this as a black and white issue. A majority felt that we should.

-Terry

now THAT makes sense, thanks terry :)