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03/20/2009 10:22:31 PM · #1
Could we please have a feature added to our preferences page that would allow a user to activate if they do not wish to receive comments during a challenge?

Why you may ask, Well I commented on 116 photographs in the 1000th Challenge and voted 100%. I didnít have time to comment on all the entries but a lot of users did an outstanding job and commented on a lot more photographs than I did.

I donít know about the other voters that commented, but one thing that piss me off more than most on this site is when I see a photograph with several comments and not a single one checked as helpful by the photographer when clearly some or all of the comments are. And after further investigation seeing a pattern that the photographer doesn't check any of his or her comments received a helpful making the voter fell they have wasted their time.

I'm not complaining about the photographer that reads his or her comments received and check some of them helpful and some not. Iím talking about the photographer that blatantly does not care about the comments he or she receives and chooses not to read them at all.

If the site had a check box the photographer could click that said they did not want to receive comments during voting and by activating that option it would not allow a voter to leave a comment on that photographers challenge entries it would give voters more time to comment on photographs where the photographer would love to have a comment.

So what are you going to do about it!!!! : P

Sorry Iíve had a rough day todayÖÖÖÖ.stressed!

Message edited by author 2009-03-20 22:30:50.
03/20/2009 10:28:26 PM · #2
I agree. It would be a nice option.
03/20/2009 10:30:46 PM · #3
People like the ones you're mentioning probably wouldn't take the time to check any boxes like that anyway.

As a commenter, I believe you just have to live with the fact that some people simply aren't going to accept/read/mark/recognize/agree with/whatever your comments, and, as my mother used to say, get over it.

Part and parcel of participating on a site with such a wide range of people and personalities.
03/20/2009 10:32:51 PM · #4
I agree. If the photographer really doesn't want the comments, he/she should be able to turn the option off. If they're just being annoying, and won't check the box, then it won't change anything.
03/20/2009 10:37:43 PM · #5
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

People like the ones you're mentioning probably wouldn't take the time to check any boxes like that anyway.

As a commenter, I believe you just have to live with the fact that some people simply aren't going to accept/read/mark/recognize/agree with/whatever your comments, and, as my mother used to say, get over it.

Part and parcel of participating on a site with such a wide range of people and personalities.

I'm not talking about the photographers that at least read their comments received. They have the right to agree or disagree, check helpful or not. I'm talking about the ones that don't even care to read. When we comment on their entries it takes time away from commenting on a photograph where the photographer would love to have a comment.

And as far a get over it. I tired as hell of hearing the "words get over it" spoken to users that are really trying to make the site more efficient and letting the deadbeats run the show. If one were at a red light that stays red 10 minutes and they had to deal with that everyday, I don't think "get over it would be what comes to mind, they would be calling traffic control and bringing up the issue; it needs to be fixed.

Message edited by author 2009-03-20 22:42:10.
03/20/2009 10:38:42 PM · #6
Originally posted by vawendy:

I agree. If the photographer really doesn't want the comments, he/she should be able to turn the option off. If they're just being annoying, and won't check the box, then it won't change anything.

Maybe a comment scrubber that would activate that feature when it sees a pattern. There's always a way.
03/20/2009 10:41:31 PM · #7
An added benefit of SDW's suggestion would be that limiting the number of photos that can have comments left on them would, theoretically, raise the chances that those people who do want comments would end up getting some (or some more). Not everyone cares to receive the comments, even though they are appreciated.
03/20/2009 10:51:58 PM · #8
Originally posted by SDW:


I donít know about the other voters that commented, but one thing that piss me off more than most on this site is when I see a photograph with several comments and not a single one checked as helpful by the photographer when clearly some or all of the comments are. And after further investigation seeing a pattern that the photographer doesn't check any of his or her comments received a helpful making the voter fell they have wasted their time.


I'm one of those photographers who never checks a comment as helpful. I look at commenting in an entirely different light and I tend not to participate in the helpful comment check box phenomenon because it seems like a lot of photographers look at it as a simple 'stat' more than anything else. I do comment on photographs occasionally, but mainly when I'm particularly inspired by a photo. In other words, I comment on stuff I like and don't bother on stuff that doesn't move me.

The reason I comment has nothing to do with the possibility of having my thoughts checked as helpful by another photographer. I comment because writing my thoughts about someone else's image makes me a better photographer in the long run. I learn something that is useful to ME when I leave a comment. I could care less if the photographer thinks my thoughts are helpful or not. Most of my comments are not even designed to be helpful. I don't get critical in most of my comments these days. I just post my thoughts on what I see and why I like it.

My point is that you, as a commenter, shouldn't be so concerned about getting the helpful box checked. On the flip side of this issue, some photographers out there check every comment they get as helpful. Is that not just as 'bad' as checking none of them?
03/20/2009 10:52:24 PM · #9
All well and good, but I like seeing the comments people leave even if the photographer may not care. There may be a number of reasons these boxes are not checked, such as limited time/computer access, language difficulties. I am as disappointed as the next person when my comments are not checked as helpful, but for me the possibility always exists that my comments are NOT helpful. I'm not saying Get over it, just have a little imagination/humility.
03/20/2009 10:52:33 PM · #10
Personally I get something out of reading the comments on other people's photographs. It helps me become a better photographer to read praise and critique about a photo, even if I didn't take it. It's too bad I can't mark other photograph's comments as helpful. :)
03/20/2009 11:15:14 PM · #11
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

[quote=SDW]
My point is that you, as a commenter, shouldn't be so concerned about getting the helpful box checked. On the flip side of this issue, some photographers out there check every comment they get as helpful. Is that not just as 'bad' as checking none of them?

I appriciate your input in the thread and you do have a point. But I feel your missing mine. I don't care if I comment on 50000 images and and none get checked helpful. My point is why waste my time commenting on your photograph because you think it's purpose was more of a stat issue with me, when I could be commenting on a photograph where the photograph really want's or needs the input. BTW 99% of my comments are not one or two word comments. They are given in attempts to be helpful.

Why do you read your comments?
03/20/2009 11:18:38 PM · #12
I learn something helpful myself when a photographer does not check a critical comment received as 'helpful', especially if that same photographer invariably ticks all the 'nice shot' and 'that's soooo cool' stuff. True colors, shining through.
03/20/2009 11:19:25 PM · #13
Originally posted by tnun:

All well and good, but I like seeing the comments people leave even if the photographer may not care. There may be a number of reasons these boxes are not checked, such as limited time/computer access, language difficulties. I am as disappointed as the next person when my comments are not checked as helpful, but for me the possibility always exists that my comments are NOT helpful. I'm not saying Get over it, just have a little imagination/humility.

I think your missing my point as well. I not talking about a photographer that checks some helpful and some not; they have the right to not check it helpful if they feel it not to be. I talking about the photographer that NEVER checks ANY comments helpful.

Message edited by author 2009-03-20 23:25:38.
03/20/2009 11:23:28 PM · #14
Originally posted by SDW:

Originally posted by tnun:

All well and good, but I like seeing the comments people leave even if the photographer may not care. There may be a number of reasons these boxes are not checked, such as limited time/computer access, language difficulties. I am as disappointed as the next person when my comments are not checked as helpful, but for me the possibility always exists that my comments are NOT helpful. I'm not saying Get over it, just have a little imagination/humility.

I think your missing my point as well. I not talking about a photographer that checks some helpful and some not; they have the right to not check it helpful if they feel it not to be. I talking about they photographer that NEVER checks ANY comments helpful.


Yet you're missing the points that you don't KNOW that these people aren't reading or appreciating the comments they get.

If all this is coming down to is feeling personally slighted, I fail to see how implementing some form of control site-wide is really the answer here, especially if it's something like monitoring patterns of people and having the comments given to them removed for NOT marking them helpful. That's treading an awfully frightening line.
03/20/2009 11:27:03 PM · #15
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

[quote=SDW]
My point is that you, as a commenter, shouldn't be so concerned about getting the helpful box checked. On the flip side of this issue, some photographers out there check every comment they get as helpful. Is that not just as 'bad' as checking none of them?


I've checked all but one comment as helpful. I've done it to tell the commenter that I appreciate the fact that they took the time to comment. Even a "nice shot", "cool dress" comment tells me that something in my photograph was noticeable. When my mom sees someone's baby for the first time, if she can't find something nice to say will say, "nice ears". If the only thing they say about my baby is "nice ears", I know they didn't find much to like, but were trying to comment anyway. Regardless--it tells me something.

(BTW, the one comment that I didn't mark as helpful was someone being sarcastic and changing it after the fact.)
03/20/2009 11:30:34 PM · #16
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

People like the ones you're mentioning probably wouldn't take the time to check any boxes like that anyway. ...

Agreed.

Originally posted by SDW:

... If the site had a check box the photographer could click that said they did not want to receive comments during voting ...

This is the opposite of what's needed. As stated above, in many cases those that don't read/check helpful/acknowledge comments aren't likely to tic off a checkbox on their profile or when they submit a challenge entry.

Make it an opt-in item...photographers have to select a check box stating they DO want comments.
03/20/2009 11:31:29 PM · #17
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

People like the ones you're mentioning probably wouldn't take the time to check any boxes like that anyway. ...

Agreed.

Originally posted by SDW:

... If the site had a check box the photographer could click that said they did not want to receive comments during voting ...

This is the opposite of what's needed. As stated above, in many cases those that don't read/check helpful/acknowledge comments aren't likely to tic off a checkbox on their profile or when they submit a challenge entry.

Make it an opt-in item...photographers have to select a check box stating they DO want comments.


good idea
03/20/2009 11:31:41 PM · #18
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by SDW:

Originally posted by tnun:

All well and good, but I like seeing the comments people leave even if the photographer may not care. There may be a number of reasons these boxes are not checked, such as limited time/computer access, language difficulties. I am as disappointed as the next person when my comments are not checked as helpful, but for me the possibility always exists that my comments are NOT helpful. I'm not saying Get over it, just have a little imagination/humility.

I think your missing my point as well. I not talking about a photographer that checks some helpful and some not; they have the right to not check it helpful if they feel it not to be. I talking about they photographer that NEVER checks ANY comments helpful.


Yet you're missing the points that you don't KNOW that these people aren't reading or appreciating the comments they get.

If all this is coming down to is feeling personally slighted, I fail to see how implementing some form of control site-wide is really the answer here, especially if it's something like monitoring patterns of people and having the comments given to them removed for NOT marking them helpful. That's treading an awfully frightening line.

With all due respect, and I think you know this is a debate not an argument, if you read the comment and appreciate it - wasn't it helpful in some form? and if so would one click letting the voter know that you valued the comment so the voter would know that he or she did not waste that comment on a person that didn't care when it could have went to someone that was waiting for a comment. It a time issue!
03/20/2009 11:35:25 PM · #19
Actually, I'd like a drop down box with a couple of options

Thanks for the kind words
Comment was helpful
Comment was not helpful

"Nice shot" isn't exactly helpful, but not checking the box makes it seem that I don't appreciate the fact that they took the time to comment.

Also, if they don't mark Comment was helpful, I don't assume that they didn't like it--I just don't know. If there's a Not Helpful option, maybe it would cut down on the nasty pms people receive after leaving a comment. After all, at the moment a pm is the only recourse they have if they don't agree.
03/20/2009 11:36:46 PM · #20
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by SDW:

... If the site had a check box the photographer could click that said they did not want to receive comments during voting ...

This is the opposite of what's needed. As stated above, in many cases those that don't read/check helpful/acknowledge comments aren't likely to tic off a checkbox on their profile or when they submit a challenge entry.

Make it an opt-in item...photographers have to select a check box stating they DO want comments.

This would be a great alternative. Thanks for the suggestion. Now we are getting somewhere.
Thank you - And I mean that.
03/20/2009 11:54:04 PM · #21
Originally posted by SDW:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by SDW:

Originally posted by tnun:

All well and good, but I like seeing the comments people leave even if the photographer may not care. There may be a number of reasons these boxes are not checked, such as limited time/computer access, language difficulties. I am as disappointed as the next person when my comments are not checked as helpful, but for me the possibility always exists that my comments are NOT helpful. I'm not saying Get over it, just have a little imagination/humility.

I think your missing my point as well. I not talking about a photographer that checks some helpful and some not; they have the right to not check it helpful if they feel it not to be. I talking about they photographer that NEVER checks ANY comments helpful.


Yet you're missing the points that you don't KNOW that these people aren't reading or appreciating the comments they get.

If all this is coming down to is feeling personally slighted, I fail to see how implementing some form of control site-wide is really the answer here, especially if it's something like monitoring patterns of people and having the comments given to them removed for NOT marking them helpful. That's treading an awfully frightening line.

With all due respect, and I think you know this is a debate not an argument, if you read the comment and appreciate it - wasn't it helpful in some form? and if so would one click letting the voter know that you valued the comment so the voter would know that he or she did not waste that comment on a person that didn't care when it could have went to someone that was waiting for a comment. It a time issue!


Hey, you're the one that emotionally charged it from the get go with your original post, I just went with it.

*EDIT* oh, and no, I do not consider a comment inherently helpful just because I read it. I mark everything because it's just a habit now, but I respect people's wishes to not do so for whatever reason. I'm weird that way.

Message edited by author 2009-03-21 00:06:00.
03/21/2009 12:54:20 AM · #22
Originally posted by SDW:


I appriciate your input in the thread and you do have a point. But I feel your missing mine. I don't care if I comment on 50000 images and and none get checked helpful. My point is why waste my time commenting on your photograph because you think it's purpose was more of a stat issue with me, when I could be commenting on a photograph where the photograph really want's or needs the input. BTW 99% of my comments are not one or two word comments. They are given in attempts to be helpful.

Why do you read your comments?


I haven't been around here much lately, but it does look like the critique club is still here. Those photographers who check the 'in depth critique' box when they submit a photo are asking for a specific critique on their photos. If you join the critique club and focus your efforts on those photographs, your mission will be accomplished. You will have commented on a photograph where you know the photographer specifically asked for it.

I read my comments because someone took the time to write them. Some of them are entertaining and they tend to show me what a specific photographer is thinking when they look at my image. As to whether or not any of them are helpful, that is hard to say. I entered the hidden gem challenge, and it was the first challenge I have entered in a long time. I got 54 comments during the challenge, which I thought was a LOT considering the size of this challenge. Are any of them helpful? If I had to look at them critically to determine that, I would say that none of them are. There are a few comments there where people don't like the very specific part of the photo that makes me like it a lot :) Someone else suggested that my dodging on the subject's face was a little too much, but that can't be helpful either since there is no dodging in this photo anywhere. Maybe it's helpful that people liked my choice of b/w and toning. I didn't get any negative comments on that aspect of the photo. Someone thinks my border is over the top... maybe that is helpful... it might be the only one :)
03/21/2009 01:01:11 AM · #23
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by SDW:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by SDW:

Originally posted by tnun:

All well and good, but I like seeing the comments people leave even if the photographer may not care. There may be a number of reasons these boxes are not checked, such as limited time/computer access, language difficulties. I am as disappointed as the next person when my comments are not checked as helpful, but for me the possibility always exists that my comments are NOT helpful. I'm not saying Get over it, just have a little imagination/humility.

I think your missing my point as well. I not talking about a photographer that checks some helpful and some not; they have the right to not check it helpful if they feel it not to be. I talking about they photographer that NEVER checks ANY comments helpful.


Yet you're missing the points that you don't KNOW that these people aren't reading or appreciating the comments they get.

If all this is coming down to is feeling personally slighted, I fail to see how implementing some form of control site-wide is really the answer here, especially if it's something like monitoring patterns of people and having the comments given to them removed for NOT marking them helpful. That's treading an awfully frightening line.

With all due respect, and I think you know this is a debate not an argument, if you read the comment and appreciate it - wasn't it helpful in some form? and if so would one click letting the voter know that you valued the comment so the voter would know that he or she did not waste that comment on a person that didn't care when it could have went to someone that was waiting for a comment. It a time issue!


Hey, you're the one that emotionally charged it from the get go with your original post, I just went with it.

*EDIT* oh, and no, I do not consider a comment inherently helpful just because I read it. I mark everything because it's just a habit now, but I respect people's wishes to not do so for whatever reason. I'm weird that way.

Lets look at this from a different POV.
A voter has only X amount of time to comment on photographs. There are photographers out there that wants to get more out of a comment that just a read. As suggested by me and improvised by glad2badad if there were a click box to tell voters you don't want comments or a click box saying you want comments and by click this box it would NOT allow the voter to comment on your photograph that would be one more comment that could go to someone that is looking for inspiration from comments to help learn about photograph. Even if the comment is not a valid critique it can motivate that photographer.


Message edited by author 2009-03-21 01:01:43.
03/21/2009 01:07:43 AM · #24
I am one of the people with too much time on their hands that commented on all the images in the hidden gem challenge. I have to admit, I am somewhat put off by photographers not checking comments off as helpful.

Just imagine that you had a public gallery, and you got to see the people that came to look at your photo in the eye. If they tell you that they like your photo, do you respond to them? Say thanks? Or... if someone offers you constructive criticism, do you say anything? The comment box is the simplest and easiest way you can acknowledge someones praise or criticism for your work.

03/21/2009 01:12:48 AM · #25
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Originally posted by SDW:


I appriciate your input in the thread and you do have a point. But I feel your missing mine. I don't care if I comment on 50000 images and and none get checked helpful. My point is why waste my time commenting on your photograph because you think it's purpose was more of a stat issue with me, when I could be commenting on a photograph where the photograph really want's or needs the input. BTW 99% of my comments are not one or two word comments. They are given in attempts to be helpful.

Why do you read your comments?


I haven't been around here much lately, but it does look like the critique club is still here. Those photographers who check the 'in depth critique' box when they submit a photo are asking for a specific critique on their photos. If you join the critique club and focus your efforts on those photographs, your mission will be accomplished. You will have commented on a photograph where you know the photographer specifically asked for it.

I read my comments because someone took the time to write them. Some of them are entertaining and they tend to show me what a specific photographer is thinking when they look at my image. As to whether or not any of them are helpful, that is hard to say. I entered the hidden gem challenge, and it was the first challenge I have entered in a long time. I got 54 comments during the challenge, which I thought was a LOT considering the size of this challenge. Are any of them helpful? If I had to look at them critically to determine that, I would say that none of them are. There are a few comments there where people don't like the very specific part of the photo that makes me like it a lot :) Someone else suggested that my dodging on the subject's face was a little too much, but that can't be helpful either since there is no dodging in this photo anywhere. Maybe it's helpful that people liked my choice of b/w and toning. I didn't get any negative comments on that aspect of the photo. Someone thinks my border is over the top... maybe that is helpful... it might be the only one :)

I am a member of the CC. And I have participated in Critiques. But the CC already cannot keep up with the amount of critiques requested. In my opinion if more were to get comments that wanted them then it would loosen the load of photographers requesting full blown critiques.

And I maybe wrong here but your second paragraph sounds like your entertained by the comments your receive and critiquing the comment, laughing when someone gets something wrong (such as the dodge when there was none) but without knowing your steps there are several techniques, PP or lighting, that could resemble each other.
When a voter comments the majority are trying to tell you what they see (right or wrong) and the last thing they would like to hear is your getting entertainment out of there comment mistakes as they are trying to learn by commenting.

Message edited by author 2009-03-21 01:15:18.
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