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02/26/2009 12:29:49 AM · #26
Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:


Judi, you always seemed smarter than this. To resort to insults when you have no argument is what is sad.

If you read what I wrote, you saw that I clearly stated I would NOT hunt down nudes to vote them down. As it stands now, the site FORCES us to view them when we have the "No Nudes" flag turned on. No hunting required.

No censorship here... everyone is totally free to interpret the challenge however they see fit.

We are also free to vote as we see fit.

Common sense.


My apologies...you did say that. I am very tired, so I must have read it wrong. I totally agree about the censorship flag...but unfortunately that is not within the sites options...therefore you need to adjust accordingly...and voting down an image just because you don't like a subject is not voting fairly. A photo should be judged on its criteria of meeting the challenge and its technicals...not whether someone has chosen to think oustide the box or be creative. Skin is an obvious choice for nudity....and can be handled very maturely and creatively...why punish someone for doing that?


Apology accepted. Thank you.
02/26/2009 12:31:43 AM · #27
Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:


Judi, you always seemed smarter than this. To resort to insults when you have no argument is what is sad.

If you read what I wrote, you saw that I clearly stated I would NOT hunt down nudes to vote them down. As it stands now, the site FORCES us to view them when we have the "No Nudes" flag turned on. No hunting required.

No censorship here... everyone is totally free to interpret the challenge however they see fit.

We are also free to vote as we see fit.

Common sense.


My apologies...you did say that. I am very tired, so I must have read it wrong. I totally agree about the censorship flag...but unfortunately that is not within the sites options...therefore you need to adjust accordingly...and voting down an image just because you don't like a subject is not voting fairly. A photo should be judged on its criteria of meeting the challenge and its technicals...not whether someone has chosen to think oustide the box or be creative. Skin is an obvious choice for nudity....and can be handled very maturely and creatively...why punish someone for doing that?


Actually, I accept (and participate in) voting photos that are personally disliked (for whatever reason) really low, and have no problem with the practice whatsoever.

I just don't think it's necessary to go out of one's way to say that you're going to, is all.

I don't find it unfair in any way. It's just another aspect of criteria.
02/26/2009 12:34:07 AM · #28
' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' HawkeyeLonewolf, just to give you an example here. You don't like nudity...and yet you choose to mark it down and berate the site and its members over the nudity and how it doesn't fit the challenges. I don't like those stoopid woody dolls...and yes...they seem to slip into many challenges...that are not labelled as a 'WOODY' challenge. You choose to use your woody for such challenges...even a fireworks challenge...so tell me...where in the challenge description does it say to use a Woody????

And for the record....I gave your image a 6.....and I hate those woody dolls...but I didn't let it sway my judgement. Can you do the same?

Challenge - Firewords
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02/26/2009 12:39:23 AM · #29
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by chromeydome:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

If I didn't have to see them, then I wouldn't hunt them out to vote them down.


You don't have to hunt them out, and you don't have to vote on them at all. You CHOOSE to do both. And you also choose to post proudly about it whenever possible, and blame the site for not changing to suit you.


I guess you cannot read English.

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

If I didn't have to see them, then I wouldn't hunt them out to vote them down.


If I did not have to see them (as in FORCED by the site)

Then I wouldn't hunt them down (I would not go looking for them)

See, pretty darn plain when you don't arbitrarily throw a second "have" in there.

Egads.


Actually, your statement DID imply that because you are forced by the site to see them, you hunt them down to vote them a 1. (Which I don't actually care about), but the implication is there. So the suggestions to just skip them or ignore them are valid.
02/26/2009 12:40:41 AM · #30
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by karmat:

Seriously, it would seem to me that if you have a serious enough problem with nudity in photographs that you vote them all a one, it would seem that you wouldn't want to deliberately set out to view such things.

Voting on a challenge where there will obviously be nudity, just so you can give a one to them almost sounds like you are trying to justify viewing the challenge in the first place. Not saying that is what you are doing, but that is how it comes across -- It's almost like -- "I do not approve of nudity in photography, therefore I will view a bunch of pictures (because, honestly, I want to see them), but I will give them a one because they shouldn't be there, and by giving them a one, I can give myself a justifiable excuse to look."


You misunderstand completely.

I should be free to vote in any challenge. However, if the challenge were defined as "NUDES IV, NUDES V, etc..." then I would avoid it, because the challenge is to submit a nude. Duh.

But when nudes are submitted in a normal challenge, it's like a comedian that has to use profanity to be funny. And again, since the site forces us to see them then I have to vote on them. If the site would correctly implement the filter they offer then this would be a non-issue.


Then YOU have the responsibility of exercising personal discipline and self-control coupled with common sense. Yes, you have the *right* to vote on whatever you want, but you also KNOW that this is a challenge that is going to have nudity in it. It just seems to me that if you truly wanted to uphold your own values, you would stay out, this one time.

You are going down the road and decide that you are hungry. Up ahead is a nice looking place called Mr. Gentleman and Club, and has a picture of a beautiful woman on the wall outside. A little red flag goes off and that little voice says, "Hmmm, wonder if this is a nude bar?" There is nothing to indicate that on the outside, other than the name which is a hint at best. You figure it *probably* is, but you go in anyway. Sure enough, skin galore, and even more, is showing.

Do you stay and eat, then complain to the manager about the food, the service and the ambiance, or do you slip out unnoticed and find somewhere else to eat?

If you do the former, it seriously looks like you are just looking for an ax to grind and getting to see nekkid women is a benefit that you don't have to admit to enjoying, because after all, you complained to the manager. If you do the latter, then your "complaint" with the "advertising" is a bit more legitimate.

And just to make the jump -- You, yourself, have admitted that this challenge lends itself to nude photography (by establishing that you will vote nudes 1s and other shots higher). (The red flag and little voice that told you it was a strip joint). Why would you deliberately set out to vote (entering the club) and vote the whole challenge (ordering your food and eating it), then give a bunch of ones because you don't approve (complaining to the manager) when the whole situation could have been avoided to begin with?

I am a self-professed prude, and wrote a rather lengthy post several years ago about my position on nudes and nude photography. Because of that stance, and how it factors into my life, I will either NOT vote on the challenge, because to do so would seem to be hypocritical to what I say I believe, or suspend those said beliefs and vote based on the photography at hand.

In as plain a language as I can muster, my message to you is this -- IF you vote on a challenge you KNOW will contain nudes, and you give said nudes 1s because you don't like how the site is set up, it really and truly gives the impression (to me) that what you are really saying is, "I really want to see the nudes, but because I've publically dissed them, I will give them a 1, and that will justify me looking."

It's kinda like a preacher railing against all the filth in Playboy, and I just want to ask him exactly HOW he is familiar with the material in that periodical.

edit -- to change a conjunction (noted in bold), add some commas, and a couple of other words/phrases

Message edited by author 2009-02-26 00:46:03.
02/26/2009 12:50:18 AM · #31
Originally posted by Judi:

' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' HawkeyeLonewolf, just to give you an example here. You don't like nudity...and yet you choose to mark it down and berate the site and its members over the nudity and how it doesn't fit the challenges. I don't like those stoopid woody dolls...and yes...they seem to slip into many challenges...that are not labelled as a 'WOODY' challenge. You choose to use your woody for such challenges...even a fireworks challenge...so tell me...where in the challenge description does it say to use a Woody????

And for the record....I gave your image a 6.....and I hate those woody dolls...but I didn't let it sway my judgement. Can you do the same?

Challenge - Firewords
Description -Ring in the new year by capturing a display of fireworks.
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Where have I berated the site or its members? This thread started humorous but did possibly encourage someone to view the skin challenge as a nudity challenge. Point made, so I offered a counterpoint. I'm one little vote.

You don't like Woody dolls... that's cool You should vote it down accordingly if seeing it is so distasteful to you.

I don't find the adult human body distasteful in any way, however, the revealing of such should only be between a husband and wife. That's my belief and I stand by it. You may not like it, but it's there all the same. And I'm sure I'm not alone even on DPC.

When a challenge clearly calls for it, then I can walk away and avoid that challenge as a whole. But I should not have to not take part in a challenge because someone else might have slipped something in. In the fireworks example, one might not have expected nudity there, but just like skin, it COULD be submitted and members (even underage ones) might be forced to see it. No warnings, no opt-in, no nothing.

Despite many strong arguments to do so, the site does not properly enforce the filters it offers... because of some misguided theory of unfair voting. Therefore if the image is put before me, then I will vote on it... as quickly as possible to get it out of my queue.

Again, one vote won't matter.
02/26/2009 12:51:32 AM · #32
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by chromeydome:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

If I didn't have to see them, then I wouldn't hunt them out to vote them down.


You don't have to hunt them out, and you don't have to vote on them at all. You CHOOSE to do both. And you also choose to post proudly about it whenever possible, and blame the site for not changing to suit you.


I guess you cannot read English.

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

If I didn't have to see them, then I wouldn't hunt them out to vote them down.


If I did not have to see them (as in FORCED by the site)

Then I wouldn't hunt them down (I would not go looking for them)

See, pretty darn plain when you don't arbitrarily throw a second "have" in there.

Egads.


Actually, your statement DID imply that because you are forced by the site to see them, you hunt them down to vote them a 1. (Which I don't actually care about), but the implication is there. So the suggestions to just skip them or ignore them are valid.


No such implication was there, except in your imagination. And it makes no sense. If I'm FORCED to see them I don't have to HUNT for them. Pay attention.
02/26/2009 12:54:10 AM · #33
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:



Actually, your statement DID imply that because you are forced by the site to see them, you hunt them down to vote them a 1. (Which I don't actually care about), but the implication is there. So the suggestions to just skip them or ignore them are valid.


No such implication was there, except in your imagination. And it makes no sense. If I'm FORCED to see them I don't have to HUNT for them. Pay attention.


Ah, but you didn't say that, you said "wouldn't" which implies you DO. Semantics, maybe, but it's an important distinction.

Message edited by author 2009-02-26 00:54:44.
02/26/2009 12:58:11 AM · #34
One vote does matter...I have seen many images that could have received a ribbon if they hadn't have received that 1 or 2 vote...it does make a difference.

I am not objecting to your views on nudity or anything else for that matter...but I am objecting to how you are not following the rules of the site.

Excerpts from DPC Voting rules -

You must rate entries on a scale of 1 to 10. A score of 1 is a “bad” photo, and a score of 10 is a “good” photo.
You should keep an open mind to other interpretations of the challenge topic.
You should consider the challenge topic when voting, and adjust your score accordingly.
You should offer constructive criticism with any vote of 3 or lower.
You may not vote in a manner that suggests an intent to disrupt the voting system.
You may not offer or cast biased votes for any other user.


So you are saying that nudity is a BAD photo. And as you aren't offering cronstuctive criticism to your vote and you are voting with a biased judgement towards other members.

Pure and simple...if you can't put your opinions of a subject aside and voted on the image itself...then don't vote on it at all. People often know other members entries...and choose not to vote as their vote would be biased....why can't you?

Message edited by author 2009-02-26 00:58:24.
02/26/2009 12:58:32 AM · #35
Originally posted by karmat:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by karmat:

Seriously, it would seem to me that if you have a serious enough problem with nudity in photographs that you vote them all a one, it would seem that you wouldn't want to deliberately set out to view such things.

Voting on a challenge where there will obviously be nudity, just so you can give a one to them almost sounds like you are trying to justify viewing the challenge in the first place. Not saying that is what you are doing, but that is how it comes across -- It's almost like -- "I do not approve of nudity in photography, therefore I will view a bunch of pictures (because, honestly, I want to see them), but I will give them a one because they shouldn't be there, and by giving them a one, I can give myself a justifiable excuse to look."


You misunderstand completely.

I should be free to vote in any challenge. However, if the challenge were defined as "NUDES IV, NUDES V, etc..." then I would avoid it, because the challenge is to submit a nude. Duh.

But when nudes are submitted in a normal challenge, it's like a comedian that has to use profanity to be funny. And again, since the site forces us to see them then I have to vote on them. If the site would correctly implement the filter they offer then this would be a non-issue.


Then YOU have the responsibility of exercising personal discipline and self-control coupled with common sense. Yes, you have the *right* to vote on whatever you want, but you also KNOW that this is a challenge that is going to have nudity in it. It just seems to me that if you truly wanted to uphold your own values, you would stay out, this one time.

You are going down the road and decide that you are hungry. Up ahead is a nice looking place called Mr. Gentleman and Club, and has a picture of a beautiful woman on the wall outside. A little red flag goes off and that little voice says, "Hmmm, wonder if this is a nude bar?" There is nothing to indicate that on the outside, other than the name which is a hint at best. You figure it *probably* is, but you go in anyway. Sure enough, skin galore, and even more, is showing.

Do you stay and eat, then complain to the manager about the food, the service and the ambiance, or do you slip out unnoticed and find somewhere else to eat?

If you do the former, it seriously looks like you are just looking for an ax to grind and getting to see nekkid women is a benefit that you don't have to admit to enjoying, because after all, you complained to the manager. If you do the latter, then your "complaint" with the "advertising" is a bit more legitimate.

And just to make the jump -- You, yourself, have admitted that this challenge lends itself to nude photography (by establishing that you will vote nudes 1s and other shots higher). (The red flag and little voice that told you it was a strip joint). Why would you deliberately set out to vote (entering the club) and vote the whole challenge (ordering your food and eating it), then give a bunch of ones because you don't approve (complaining to the manager) when the whole situation could have been avoided to begin with?

I am a self-professed prude, and wrote a rather lengthy post several years ago about my position on nudes and nude photography. Because of that stance, and how it factors into my life, I will either NOT vote on the challenge, because to do so would seem to be hypocritical to what I say I believe, or suspend those said beliefs and vote based on the photography at hand.

In as plain a language as I can muster, my message to you is this -- IF you vote on a challenge you KNOW will contain nudes, and you give said nudes 1s because you don't like how the site is set up, it really and truly gives the impression (to me) that what you are really saying is, "I really want to see the nudes, but because I've publically dissed them, I will give them a 1, and that will justify me looking."

It's kinda like a preacher railing against all the filth in Playboy, and I just want to ask him exactly HOW he is familiar with the material in that periodical.

edit -- to change a conjunction (noted in bold), add some commas, and a couple of other words/phrases


Long worded, but incorrect assumption. Yes, I would not enter the establishment. Though if starving, I *might* try the kitchen back door for a handout. Otherwise keep moving down the road.

Actually, until this post by K10DGuy, I never considered this would have much nudity to it. Just didn't think about it, primarily because I'm leaning toward the other theme. Since he seemed to be encouraging nudes, I offered a little friendly reminder in the other direction.

For your example to make sense, I would have to be entering a McDonalds for food, ordering my meal, and then having the occasional streaker dart past. Can't help seeing it, might complain to the manager, but would hope the cops would crack down and keep them out of sight. But there is no guarantee that they would be in there. Just that some bozo decided to be "just as proud as he can be, of his anatomy, that he's gonna give us a peek".

By your logic, I should never vote in a Free Study because someone always sneaks such crap in there.
02/26/2009 12:59:57 AM · #36
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:


No such implication was there, except in your imagination. And it makes no sense. If I'm FORCED to see them I don't have to HUNT for them. Pay attention.


You're NOT forced to see them. You have ample warning that they will be there, and to be consistent in your beliefs you should refrain from viewing/voting this challenge. Karmat's analogy is very well-crafted and valid.

I can understand your beef with gratuitous nudity popping up in challenges where it's not even remotely topical. Personally I can't STAND the use of female flesh in marketing, for example. I think it's degrading to men and women both. I can't stand gratuitous nudity in general, and when I think I've encountered it in everyday challenges I vote it down. The famous DPC image of the naked female working at a machine-shop grinder with sparks flying comes instantly to mind.

But I'm NOT going to approach this challenge that way, because in the context of the challenge is not gratuitous. Following my own personal beliefs, I'll give much better scores to "artistic" nudity than I will to what seems to me to be overtly sexualized nudity, but that's just me, that's what I prefer.

In your case, given your statements herein, the obvious (and only) course for you to take is to refrain from viewing the challenge, let alone voting on it. Anything else is hypocritical, IMO.

R.

Message edited by author 2009-02-26 01:01:22.
02/26/2009 01:00:16 AM · #37
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

If I didn't have to see them, then I wouldn't hunt them out to vote them down.


I can see where the confusion is coming in, and *technically* the sentence is correct, but it is not as clear as it could be.

What's happening (I think) is you are saying if I didn't have to see them, then I wouldn't hunt them out to vote them down which implies that the rest of the thought would be, [b]but since I do have to see them (if I vote in this challenge) then I am going to hunt them out to vote them down."

It is a matter of sentence clarity. A better way to state it, and not lead to misunderstandings would be "If I didn't have to see them, I wouldn't vote them down." When you introduce "hunt them out" it makes the sentence ever so slightly more ambiguous, and introduces implied meaning to what you say.

The joys of the English language.
02/26/2009 01:01:12 AM · #38
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:



Actually, your statement DID imply that because you are forced by the site to see them, you hunt them down to vote them a 1. (Which I don't actually care about), but the implication is there. So the suggestions to just skip them or ignore them are valid.


No such implication was there, except in your imagination. And it makes no sense. If I'm FORCED to see them I don't have to HUNT for them. Pay attention.


Ah, but you didn't say that, you said "wouldn't" which implies you DO. Semantics, maybe, but it's an important distinction.


Incorrect semantics on your part...

If I didn't have to see them, then I wouldn't hunt them out to vote them down.

The second part has no bearing unless the first condition is true.

IF-THEN
IF-THEN
IF-THEN

If this happens, than that happens.

IF I am not forced to see them THEN I would not seek them out.

Any other meaning is imagined by you, not implied by my sentence.
02/26/2009 01:05:40 AM · #39
Originally posted by karmat:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

If I didn't have to see them, then I wouldn't hunt them out to vote them down.


I can see where the confusion is coming in, and *technically* the sentence is correct, but it is not as clear as it could be.

What's happening (I think) is you are saying if I didn't have to see them, then I wouldn't hunt them out to vote them down which implies that the rest of the thought would be, [b]but since I do have to see them (if I vote in this challenge) then I am going to hunt them out to vote them down."

It is a matter of sentence clarity. A better way to state it, and not lead to misunderstandings would be "If I didn't have to see them, I wouldn't vote them down." When you introduce "hunt them out" it makes the sentence ever so slightly more ambiguous, and introduces implied meaning to what you say.

The joys of the English language.


Actually, you're totally wrong here as I already demonstrated to K10DGuy...

The sentence is completely correct. The "IF" must happen for the "THEN" The "IF" being false does not in any way carry the implication that the opposite "THEN" is true.

"IF I am thirsty THEN I will drink" does not translate to "IF I am NOT thirsty THEN I will NOT drink."

And as I clearly pointed out: if I'm being forced to see them, I don't have to hunt them out in the slightest. Just voting on this site causes them to appear.

That is the English language.
02/26/2009 01:06:41 AM · #40
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:


Incorrect semantics on your part...

If I didn't have to see them, then I wouldn't hunt them out to vote them down.

The second part has no bearing unless the first condition is true.

IF-THEN
IF-THEN
IF-THEN

If this happens, than that happens.

IF I am not forced to see them THEN I would not seek them out.

Any other meaning is imagined by you, not implied by my sentence.


Sorry, but you're wrong. The corollary of "If I didn't have to see them, then I wouldn't hunt them out to vote them down." is "If I hunt them out to vote them down, it's because I have to see them."

It makes no sense.

The better statement for your intentions is "If I didn't have to see them, then I wouldn't vote them down." The corollary of that, essentially, is "I didn't vote them down because I didn't see them", which is what you're after.

In other words, it's the "hunt them down" that's giving us pause: you're saying in plain English that you hunt nudes down so you can vote them low, which gives the lie to saying you're forced to see them; if you're hunting them down, you weren't forced to see them.

R.

Message edited by author 2009-02-26 01:09:05.
02/26/2009 01:07:14 AM · #41
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:


Incorrect semantics on your part...

If I didn't have to see them, then I wouldn't hunt them out to vote them down.

The second part has no bearing unless the first condition is true.

IF-THEN
IF-THEN
IF-THEN

If this happens, than that happens.

IF I am not forced to see them THEN I would not seek them out.

Any other meaning is imagined by you, not implied by my sentence.


If/Then statements still work on the principle of implication. If this happens, then this wouldn't happen, but since it doesn't happen, it does.

If you weren't 'forced' to view the images, you wouldn't hunt them down, but since you are, then you do.

It's actually rather simple, and it isn't my imagination.

Now, we all know it's not what you meant, but it's also completely understandable that you were misunderstood.
02/26/2009 01:08:05 AM · #42
Hmmmm....I wonder if we can have an English Challenge....just so I can slip some nudity in!!!!!!!
02/26/2009 01:09:15 AM · #43
Originally posted by Judi:

Hmmmm....I wonder if we can have an English Challenge....just so I can slip some nudity in!!!!!!!


seconded.
02/26/2009 01:09:19 AM · #44
Originally posted by Judi:

One vote does matter...I have seen many images that could have received a ribbon if they hadn't have received that 1 or 2 vote...it does make a difference.

I am not objecting to your views on nudity or anything else for that matter...but I am objecting to how you are not following the rules of the site.

Excerpts from DPC Voting rules -

You must rate entries on a scale of 1 to 10. A score of 1 is a “bad” photo, and a score of 10 is a “good” photo.
You should keep an open mind to other interpretations of the challenge topic.
You should consider the challenge topic when voting, and adjust your score accordingly.
You should offer constructive criticism with any vote of 3 or lower.
You may not vote in a manner that suggests an intent to disrupt the voting system.
You may not offer or cast biased votes for any other user.


So you are saying that nudity is a BAD photo. And as you aren't offering cronstuctive criticism to your vote and you are voting with a biased judgement towards other members.

Pure and simple...if you can't put your opinions of a subject aside and voted on the image itself...then don't vote on it at all. People often know other members entries...and choose not to vote as their vote would be biased....why can't you?


Very liberal interpretation of the rules... and highly inaccurate.

"Bad" is subjective. For some it's waterdrops, others Woody dolls, others pets and kids, other nudity. "Bad" and "Good" are in the eye of the beholder. - NO VIOLATION OF RULES

The constructive criticism is a suggestion (Should, not Must) - NO VIOLATION OF RULES

No bias for or against any other user because I don't know who the user even is, we aren't shown that. The clear intent is deliberately driving down a specific user because of who they are, not because of their choice of subject. - NO VIOLATION OF RULES.
02/26/2009 01:10:15 AM · #45
Kevin, THREE people misunderstood what you meant (Judi, K10 and myself), we even acknowledge that yes, what you said was *technically* correct, but we misunderstood it, and then gave you reasons WHY we misunderstood it. I even went further as to tell what might clear it up a bit, and you still refuse to acknowledge that what you said might be construed as something else.

That is unreal.
02/26/2009 01:10:27 AM · #46
Originally posted by Judi:

Hmmmm....I wonder if we can have an English Challenge....just so I can slip some nudity in!!!!!!!


For those of us who are English challenged? ;oP
02/26/2009 01:10:35 AM · #47
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:


Incorrect semantics on your part...

If I didn't have to see them, then I wouldn't hunt them out to vote them down.

The second part has no bearing unless the first condition is true.

IF-THEN
IF-THEN
IF-THEN

If this happens, than that happens.

IF I am not forced to see them THEN I would not seek them out.

Any other meaning is imagined by you, not implied by my sentence.


Sorry, but you're wrong. The corollary of "If I didn't have to see them, then I wouldn't hunt them out to vote them down." is "If I hunt them out to vote them down, it's because I have to see them."

It makes no sense.

The better statement for your intentions is "If I didn't have to see them, then I wouldn't vote them down." The corollary of that, essentially, is "I didn't vote them down because I didn't see them", which is what you're after.

In other words, it's the "hunt them down" that's giving us pause: you're saying in plain English that you hunt nudes down so you can vote them low, which gives the lie to saying you're forced to see them; if you're hunting them down, you weren't forced to see them.

R.


Not even close to being correct. But nice try. Read the thread and you'll see where you're wrong. I've covered this already.
02/26/2009 01:12:04 AM · #48
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:


Incorrect semantics on your part...

If I didn't have to see them, then I wouldn't hunt them out to vote them down.

The second part has no bearing unless the first condition is true.

IF-THEN
IF-THEN
IF-THEN

If this happens, than that happens.

IF I am not forced to see them THEN I would not seek them out.

Any other meaning is imagined by you, not implied by my sentence.


If/Then statements still work on the principle of implication. If this happens, then this wouldn't happen, but since it doesn't happen, it does.

If you weren't 'forced' to view the images, you wouldn't hunt them down, but since you are, then you do.

It's actually rather simple, and it isn't my imagination.

Now, we all know it's not what you meant, but it's also completely understandable that you were misunderstood.


Actually, based on English and logic and your already being corrected on this several times already, it is NOT understandable how you keep hammering the same argument over and over and over.

Pure imagination on your part.
02/26/2009 01:13:24 AM · #49
Originally posted by Judi:

Hmmmm....I wonder if we can have an English Challenge....just so I can slip some nudity in!!!!!!!


That would depend on what the defintion of nudity is and then we would have to define what the meaning of is is.
02/26/2009 01:14:18 AM · #50
Originally posted by jbsmithana:

Originally posted by Judi:

Hmmmm....I wonder if we can have an English Challenge....just so I can slip some nudity in!!!!!!!


That would depend on what the defintion of nudity is and then we would have to define what the meaning of is is.


Nee
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