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05/02/2004 07:56:20 AM · #26 |
Like when Hillary, Al & Tipper Gore went to Mexico after an earthquake? The news televised images of the three with shovels in their hands as if they were helping to dig out those who might be trapped. A few months later it was leaked that it was only a photo-op... they really hadn't done any work at all.
But it did appear to be "good" news for some.
Precisely - I think this made my point - don't even try to tell me there is no media bias.
As to your other query - yes, I would be in favor of a war crimes trial for those who have violated the Geneva Convention. But, I'd also be in favor of our traitors (such as John Walker Lindh) being shot.
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05/02/2004 02:49:45 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by darcrazyrn:
For the coming election, I am still going to go by the rule of, who would Saddam, Osama, and the terrorists vote for?...and then vote for the other guy. |
It's still many months until the election. I'm not letting the terrorists determine my choice. There are so many other things to consider.
From the Reynolds letter cited by kaycee-
* The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off-loaded from ships faster.
I'll stand for correction if I'm wrong but, if memory serves, the harbor was rebuilt early on in the conflict to make it possible to unload military supplies and equipment; and then later the improved facilities were used to unload humanitarian aid stuffs such as grain.
I wish I could believe the things Reynolds says were all true, but his partisanship is revealed by his reference to Kerry near the end of it. He tips his aganda and undermines his own credibility. It makes me doubt if his real motive is to let us "know what is really happening in Iraq.. ", or rather, like so many others, just to influence people to his way of thinking. |
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05/02/2004 03:13:52 PM · #28 |
I think there should be a war crimes trial.
Who was it who said, 'all it takes for evil to continue is for good men to do nothing'
(paraphrased at that)
If for no other reason that these kinds of atrocities is what helps to fuel and inspire terrorists, something must be done! |
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05/02/2004 03:35:23 PM · #29 |
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05/02/2004 03:46:01 PM · #30 |
Maybe I’m out of the loop but has any prisoner been mutilated, maybe hung, and murdered? Or was it American soldiers going a little too far trying to soften up with psychological means the enemy? If they could get intelligence that hurt the opposition and would save some of our soldier’s lives then I would think a little pressure was warranted. Then again if they cut off fingers or poked eyes out or did beatings that ended in a persons life that I think is an atrocity. Scare Tactics is a TV show isn’t it?
Wasn’t there prisoner’s with hoods over there heads in Quantico for days behind wire? They sat like that for hours. Is that humane? For some reason not many said much.
Now please don’t beat up on me to much.
jm
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05/02/2004 04:11:35 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by darcrazyrn:
For the coming election, I am still going to go by the rule of, who would Saddam, Osama, and the terrorists vote for?...and then vote for the other guy. |
It's still many months until the election. I'm not letting the terrorists determine my choice. There are so many other things to consider.
From the Reynolds letter cited by kaycee-
* The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off-loaded from ships faster.
I'll stand for correction if I'm wrong but, if memory serves, the harbor was rebuilt early on in the conflict to make it possible to unload military supplies and equipment; and then later the improved facilities were used to unload humanitarian aid stuffs such as grain.
I wish I could believe the things Reynolds says were all true, but his partisanship is revealed by his reference to Kerry near the end of it. He tips his aganda and undermines his own credibility. It makes me doubt if his real motive is to let us "know what is really happening in Iraq.. ", or rather, like so many others, just to influence people to his way of thinking. |
i agree |
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05/02/2004 04:18:56 PM · #32 |
| to put a little spin tho, there is some stuff here about some positives, all around. some great news i especially think this is something in the right direction. |
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05/02/2004 04:23:47 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by garrywhite2:
So of those opposed to what these few soldiers have done, would you be in favor or opposed to allowing a war crimes trial? |
Very much in favor, what they did was despicable, and they must be held accountable. |
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05/03/2004 07:54:47 AM · #34 |
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05/03/2004 11:06:16 AM · #35 |
"It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." - Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, Sergeant, USMC.
Though many of these comments embitter me, I will continue to fight for your freedom to say them.
A1C Martin, 445th Security Forces WPAFB
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05/03/2004 11:16:34 AM · #36 |
| Apparently, it is also the soldier who abuses prisoners of war. |
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05/03/2004 11:18:01 AM · #37 |
It is depraved man who abuses prisoners of war.
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05/03/2004 11:22:59 AM · #38 |
| On that we certainly agree. |
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05/03/2004 12:04:32 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by lockjawdavis:
Apparently, it is also the soldier who abuses prisoners of war. |
I only wish some of you guys cared half as much about OUR troops as you do for the Iraqi troops. |
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05/03/2004 12:11:52 PM · #40 |
| I'm not sure how expressing displeasure over the actions of a very few misguided and misled American troops suggests I don't care about our troops as a whole. Pretzel logic, I suppose. |
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05/03/2004 12:14:24 PM · #41 |
I feel bad for the american troops,mostly because they were sent somewhere where their prescence was largely unasked for, and is even less wanted now than was when this mess started. The iraqi troops did not bomb the US, invade the US for some obscure reason (WMD? Saddam in power? hmm improve conditions? all laughable reasons at this point)
Let's face it the US govt blew it and yes the american soldiers and iraqi general public are suffering for it in mass quantities, and mass graves. |
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05/03/2004 12:15:40 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by lockjawdavis:
I'm not sure how expressing displeasure over the actions of a very few misguided and misled American troops suggests I don't care about our troops as a whole. Pretzel logic, I suppose. |
Easy, how many stories have been written by the New York times or The Washinging Post about the attrocities of the Iraqi army onto Coalition troops? I bet in the few days, the ration is already 100 to 1 in favor of bashing american troops.
I certainly don't remember a SINGLE one of you guys making a post expressing concern or dislike twords their treatment.
And I distincly remember AMERICAN PEACE PROTESTORS the other week calling for the killing of American Troops. |
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05/03/2004 12:16:54 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by ellamay:
I feel bad for the american troops,mostly because they were sent somewhere where their prescence was largely unasked for, and is even less wanted now than was when this mess started. The iraqi troops did not bomb the US, invade the US for some obscure reason (WMD? Saddam in power? hmm improve conditions? all laughable reasons at this point)
Let's face it the US govt blew it and yes the american soldiers and iraqi general public are suffering for it in mass quantities, and mass graves. |
Well said. And on top of that George W. Bush doesn't give a crap about his troops or anyone elses. As long as American oil interests are protected.
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05/03/2004 12:17:28 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by ellamay:
Let's face it the US govt blew it and yes the american soldiers and iraqi general public are suffering for it in mass quantities, and mass graves. |
2X more troops died in one day practicing for the D-Day invasion than died in combat in the ENTIRE FIRST YEAR of the Iraqi War!!! |
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05/03/2004 12:20:27 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Originally posted by ellamay:
Let's face it the US govt blew it and yes the american soldiers and iraqi general public are suffering for it in mass quantities, and mass graves. |
2X more troops died in one day practicing for the D-Day invasion than died in combat in the ENTIRE FIRST YEAR of the Iraqi War!!! |
One dead soldier is one too many in a pointless war.
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05/03/2004 12:35:11 PM · #46 |
Funny thing, there must have been a photo (says you don't see smiles like these-makes me believe there was)that has been replaced with a Polo inderwear ad?
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05/03/2004 12:56:27 PM · #47 |
Many of you would do well to "google" a couple of things:
1) look up the word xenophobia - I think that many people suffer from that malady - and it explains why many so feel that one coalition soldier's life is worth more than thousands of Iraqi lives;
2) look up Kitty Genovese - A woman who was stabbed to death in a series of three separate attacks by the same man, on a public street in New York City, while no fewer than 38 of her neighbors had witnessed at least ONE of the attacks but refused to "get involved" - none even called the police until after she was already dead.
Iraq COULD have been the "Kitty Genovese" of the WORLD if the U.S. had not decided to NOT be like the "neighbors" who were willing to watch Saddam Hussein killing not only his OWN people, but plotting to kill his neighbors, as well.
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05/03/2004 01:13:14 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Iraq COULD have been the "Kitty Genovese" of the WORLD if the U.S. had not decided to NOT be like the "neighbors" who were willing to watch Saddam Hussein killing not only his OWN people, but plotting to kill his neighbors, as well. |
Outstanding point, Ron. From my own recent research paper on just war:
A justification to go to war that does not directly involve the security of a nation is one of a humanitarian nature. There are many instances in the world today of people groups and ethnicities exploiting other, weaker groups. When human rights violations are committed, the international community needs to respond. All too often the world turns a cold shoulder and lets these situations escalate to the point of genocide. According to Kenneth Himes, "a new argument for justified use of armed force, humanitarian intervention, is gaining credence" (11).
Himes, Kenneth R. "Just War, Pacifism and Humanitarian Intervention." America. 21 August 1993: 10-20.
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05/05/2004 11:46:18 PM · #49 |
<<< No wonder the iraqi's are not interested in this 'liberation'>>>
Perhaps they would like saddam back? |
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05/06/2004 12:24:31 AM · #50 |
<<< I'm not sure how expressing displeasure over the actions of a very few misguided and misled American troops suggests I don't care about our troops as a whole. Pretzel logic, I suppose. >>>
That is not what you originally said. You did not mention a 'very few misguided and misled American troops'. You posted a rather insulting blanket knee-jerk indictment of ALL soldiers in response to a post in praise of them. Remember?:
"Apparently, it is also the soldier who abuses the prisoners of war" |
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