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02/16/2009 09:28:18 AM · #1
Hi, I need some advice. My client originally hired me to do a shoot for him which included only 3 shots (I took 500) and after looking through the finished portfolio (about 150 images) wants them all on disk and wants a price quote. I charged him $250 for the shoot and 3 images but don't have any idea what I should charge him for the disk of all the images... HELP!!
02/16/2009 09:41:17 AM · #2
5000$
02/16/2009 09:47:47 AM · #3
Is that a random number or based on some calculation??
02/16/2009 09:54:08 AM · #4
Does he just want web images or does he want to be able to make prints?

I'm writing up a business plan for my own photo business, and I'm leaning towards a flat hourly rate, plus the cost of prints or a CD. The cost-per-frame model doesn't make much sense to me in a digital world where film processing costs no longer apply. I had a small product shoot a few weeks ago where the client asked me how many frames he would get for the price I quoted him, and my answer was simply, "As many as it takes to get what you need." However, I haven't settled yet on a permanent standard rate and I'm generally not taking 500+ photos in a session.

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02/16/2009 09:55:18 AM · #5
I'm assuming that you and your client came to some kind of licensing agreement for the 3 images.

My suggestion is that you complete that deal, then discuss their needs for the rest of the images and come up with a licensing agreement that covers the remaining images and their use. What you charge for that licensing will vary greatly based on the use you license them for.

Why do they need the remaining 150 images? What do they plan to do with them?

BTW, you shouldn't sell the rights to the images, you should license them for specific uses and over a specific term.
02/16/2009 09:56:01 AM · #6
I think more information about the client would help. Individual?? Corporate?? What is the use of the photographs? Personal use?? Portfolio?? Commercial?? Would you be wanting to give individual use rights, or is the client looking for unlimited usage?? Because there is no way I would want to give away unlimited usage/transfer of copyright for measly $5000 for 150 images. That is less than $35 a pop and that simply is too little. You have provided what the original contract stated. Now if he wants 150 images with touch up, I think if this is a commercial client if you let it go for less than $10,000 there needs to be an amazing reason.
02/16/2009 09:59:38 AM · #7
Yes, we did. He will use them for mainly his website and printed materials. He wanted three scenarios which I shot and I knew he would probably want more than three images out of it because honestly they are all pretty fun and cool. . .
R

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

I'm assuming that you and your client came to some kind of licensing agreement for the 3 images.

My suggestion is that you complete that deal, then discuss their needs for the rest of the images and come up with a licensing agreement that covers the remaining images and their use. What you charge for that licensing will vary greatly based on the use you license them for.

Why do they need the remaining 150 images? What do they plan to do with them?

BTW, you shouldn't sell the rights to the images, you should license them for specific uses and over a specific term.
02/16/2009 10:01:08 AM · #8
He is a small business owner (start-up hospitality company) and these will be used for advertising... thanks

Originally posted by Mike_Adams:

I think more information about the client would help. Individual?? Corporate?? What is the use of the photographs? Personal use?? Portfolio?? Commercial?? Would you be wanting to give individual use rights, or is the client looking for unlimited usage?? Because there is no way I would want to give away unlimited usage/transfer of copyright for measly $5000 for 150 images. That is less than $35 a pop and that simply is too little. You have provided what the original contract stated. Now if he wants 150 images with touch up, I think if this is a commercial client if you let it go for less than $10,000 there needs to be an amazing reason.
02/16/2009 10:13:40 AM · #9
Originally posted by love:

Is that a random number or based on some calculation??

based on gut reaction
with a couple of presumptions ..
a) images are no good to you not resellable
b) you spent 2 days (one shooting one edit)
c) you had no other costs
same as roughly 60 images (@250$ for 3) or 40% of the cost of 150 shots based on the original
02/16/2009 10:15:46 AM · #10
Well, based upon the new information I think these images should be sold by usage rather than up front. Otherwise you would have to balance what he might use them for. Keep in mind if you give him full usage he could put them in a magazine, the newspaper, his website, a billboard, his informational pamphlet you name it. You would essentially be providing him stock images if you just sell him the CD of 150 and those images would more likely come in over $300 a pop not $35.
02/16/2009 10:39:32 AM · #11
No, I planned on selling what he didn't want to use. I spent 2 hours shooting and three days editing. ; ))

Originally posted by ralph:

Originally posted by love:

Is that a random number or based on some calculation??

based on gut reaction
with a couple of presumptions ..
a) images are no good to you not resellable
b) you spent 2 days (one shooting one edit)
c) you had no other costs
same as roughly 60 images (@250$ for 3) or 40% of the cost of 150 shots based on the original
02/16/2009 10:39:56 AM · #12
This is what I'm thinking... thanks!

Originally posted by Mike_Adams:

Well, based upon the new information I think these images should be sold by usage rather than up front. Otherwise you would have to balance what he might use them for. Keep in mind if you give him full usage he could put them in a magazine, the newspaper, his website, a billboard, his informational pamphlet you name it. You would essentially be providing him stock images if you just sell him the CD of 150 and those images would more likely come in over $300 a pop not $35.
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