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02/06/2009 03:40:48 PM · #76 |
I meant in both directions but c'est la Vida Loca!
I just pasted them the whole page of comments in the notes section of the original. It'll take a bit of time to clean up. |
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02/06/2009 05:29:33 PM · #77 |
So, after midnight on the 7th, we can move our images back to our porfolios. Then we can hit "quote" on each comment in jdannels hosted image, cut and paste it to our own portofolio's image, I think. But jdannels will have to continue to host the images here in this (or in a possible newly created) thread--or do we then repost images directly from our portfolios into the thread?
Maybe Langdon can write a coool script to rehost the images, update the thumbs, etc, directly so that each of our images migrates "as is, with comments" to our respective portfolios? We'd have to send him some chocolate or something..... |
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02/06/2009 06:21:47 PM · #78 |
I made a new thread for awards and uploads of originals, After the 7th, upload you image to this thread.
Message edited by author 2009-02-06 18:22:03.
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02/06/2009 07:16:04 PM · #79 |
Thank you Joe & The Dead Guy for a stimulating experience.
The requirement to comment on every entry was surprisingly mind-opening, and I found myself looking longer at photographs I might otherwise have dismissed. It was also very interesting to read all the comments, and see how the commenter/judges coped with providing reasonable comments on such an eclectic field of entries. Posthumous was the most compassionate of us, I think.
The visibility of other comments was not entirely negative ... I made my initial reaction & drafted my comment before peeking, but I'll admit that I did always read the rest before posting my remarks, and sometimes it prompted me to take another look and revise my comment a bit. I don't think that was a bad thing ... I appreciated some of the images much better after seeing what sharper minds than mine saw.
I hope we do this again. I'll enter next time (I'd have entered this time, but I didn't notice it was on until after entries had closed ... I don't always read the forums). |
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02/06/2009 07:25:04 PM · #80 |
| Hmn. Might be interesting to do Before and After comments. I simply do not trust my eye not to glance at what others have said; but I agree that it can genuinely promote our viewing acuity to see others' comments - a good reason for having photos trail them like a blaze of glory, scorching fire, or obloquy, endlessly amendable. |
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02/06/2009 09:10:48 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by ubique:
Posthumous was the most compassionate of us, I think.
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"Posthumous the Merciful...Posthumous the Merciful...Posthumous the Merciful..."
For those who have seen the movie Gladiator that cheer will ring true.
As a force, Right Honorable (I've been watching The House of Commons in session), I will now refer to him as The Good King Dead Guy or just Dead Guy, for short.
Again, thanks for hosting the Challenge and Cheers to all that left so many great comments. |
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02/06/2009 10:45:07 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by ubique:
The visibility of other comments was not entirely negative ... I made my initial reaction & drafted my comment before peeking, but I'll admit that I did always read the rest before posting my remarks, and sometimes it prompted me to take another look and revise my comment a bit. I don't think that was a bad thing ... I appreciated some of the images much better after seeing what sharper minds than mine saw. |
I was able to view 80% and post my comments before looking to see what others had previously commented. For 10% I wrote my comments and then peeked at what others had said to confirm my suspicions, but did not change my comments and then posted. For another 10% I had an immediate reaction, but no idea how to respond, and looked at other comments for inspiration.
I liked the reward of seeing others comments immediately, even if they were wrong (and everyone who disagreed with me is most assuredly wrong).
What was also interesting was going back and seeing what others had commented later. I went back and viewed shots several times after I submitted comments to see if there was a consensus or to see if there things I overlooked. And I did overlook some obvious things.
I also like that all of this is fleeting.
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02/07/2009 01:56:33 AM · #83 |
The Sun Award
Goes to:
For having the courage to be esthetically pleasing and beautifully executed!
Message edited by author 2009-02-07 01:58:48. |
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02/07/2009 01:56:14 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by digifotojo:
The Sun Award
Goes to:
For having the courage to be esthetically pleasing and beautifully executed! |
You need to comment on all entries before you give out an award.
Message edited by author 2009-02-07 13:56:55.
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02/07/2009 03:30:47 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
Originally posted by digifotojo:
The Sun Award
Goes to:
For having the courage to be esthetically pleasing and beautifully executed! |
You need to comment on all entries before you give out an award. |
Woo Hoo! DPC's first-ever DQ'd award! What an honor!
R.
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02/07/2009 03:36:54 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by jdannels:
Originally posted by digifotojo:
The Sun Award
Goes to:
For having the courage to be esthetically pleasing and beautifully executed! |
You need to comment on all entries before you give out an award. |
Woo Hoo! DPC's first-ever DQ'd award! What an honor!
R. |
LOL, well she still has a chance to undo the DQ, but that is quite an honor. :P
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02/07/2009 04:06:51 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
LOL, well she still has a chance to undo the DQ, but that is quite an honor. :P |
But... but... isn't that like giving me a chance to re-edit an image, after voting, to make it legal, and keep my ribbon? Jejeje™
R.
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02/07/2009 05:43:20 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by ubique:
Thank you Joe & The Dead Guy for a stimulating experience.
The requirement to comment on every entry was surprisingly mind-opening, and I found myself looking longer at photographs I might otherwise have dismissed. It was also very interesting to read all the comments, and see how the commenter/judges coped with providing reasonable comments on such an eclectic field of entries. Posthumous was the most compassionate of us, I think.
I hope we do this again. |
It was quite a challenge for me to comment on all the entires, my first ever 100% commented challenge. Reading what others thought while the anonymity of the photographer remained was most enjoyable for me.
I too hope we do this again. |
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02/07/2009 07:40:04 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by Kali:
Originally posted by ubique:
I hope we do this again. |
I too hope we do this again. |
I'm concerned about how much work  jdannels did to make it anonymous. I'm so lazy that it hurts to even watch somebody work that hard. |
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02/07/2009 08:03:06 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I'm concerned about how much work jdannels did to make it anonymous. I'm so lazy that it hurts to even watch somebody work that hard. |
Well, now that Joe's done all the hard work figuring out how to do it, I'd have a crack at hosting one if you like. It'd also give Joe a chance to enter and to comment, both of which he had to forgo this time.
Second thoughts, maybe he did enter this one ... no reason why not. But he was unable to comment because he knew who was which.
Message edited by author 2009-02-07 20:05:15. |
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02/07/2009 09:27:57 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by ubique:
I hope we do this again. |
It seems the ideal scenario would be to have Langdon run this challenge as a juried "regular" DPC challenge. In this challenge, only pre-determined judges would have voting privileges while the remaining members could still comment. Everything else would be as usual including the upload procedure and anonymity.
I think DPC has grown to a point where it would support an occasional juried "art" challenge and for many members it would offer an attractive alternative to the usual front page glitz and glitter.
I would present this as an addition to DPC rather than a replacement for any of the regularly scheduled challenges. |
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02/07/2009 10:15:43 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by pointandshoot:
Originally posted by ubique:
I hope we do this again. |
It seems the ideal scenario would be to have Langdon run this challenge as a juried "regular" DPC challenge. In this challenge, only pre-determined judges would have voting privileges while the remaining members could still comment. Everything else would be as usual including the upload procedure and anonymity.
I think DPC has grown to a point where it would support an occasional juried "art" challenge and for many members it would offer an attractive alternative to the usual front page glitz and glitter.
I would present this as an addition to DPC rather than a replacement for any of the regularly scheduled challenges. |
This is a great idea as long as I have a say in who the pre-determined judges are. It would also help if I could somehow keep unqualified photographers from submitting entries that are an obvious waste of my pre-determined judges time.
I'm just saying...
That would be a good choice for ANOTHER challenge but not THIS challenge.
Leave well enough alone and create a new thread that espouses juried challenges. I will be all for it.
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02/07/2009 10:44:07 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by Les_Feck:
Leave well enough alone and create a new thread that espouses juried challenges. I will be all for it. |
It's been suggested numerous times, and it's always been shot down by the overwhelming cries of "elitism" from the rank & file of DPC. It would be great to have a few of these, IMO, but I doubt it will ever happen.
Think how nice it would be to select, say, 5 DPCers widely respected for their studio portraiture and have them judge a "Studio Portrait" challenge, just for an example; we could at least be sure then that the images that won were being judged more on the quality of their lighting than, say, the sexiness of their models.
Or whatever...
R.
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02/07/2009 10:50:52 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by Les_Feck:
This is a great idea as long as I have a say in who the pre-determined judges are. |
I would think the judges would be the same as those who juried this challenge. They would still hand out their ribbons. As a bonus there would be an average vote of all judges.
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02/07/2009 10:57:44 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
It would be great to have a few of these, IMO, but I doubt it will ever happen.
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You are probably right, I rarely read the forums so wasn't aware of the strong resistance. |
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02/07/2009 11:12:52 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by pointandshoot:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
It would be great to have a few of these, IMO, but I doubt it will ever happen.
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You are probably right, I rarely read the forums so wasn't aware of the strong resistance. |
No! 'Strong resistance' to something is, in my view, a very good reason for doing it. We just can't expect Langdon to put himself in an awkward position by making special arrangements. It can still be done under the existing side challenge arrangements. It doesn't have to be democratic either ... the active supporters of this first try can decide between themselves on the selection of a jury and a theme (if any), and some close relative of the way Joe hosted this one can be used. If it's not 'official' then it doesn't have to please everybody. I have not read any previous forum threads on this subject, but I presume the stumbling block was consensus. Doing it this way, consensus is not required nor even desirable. All that need be done is to tweak this one a bit, and do it again. Hosting duties could be shared around, using Joe's template as a start point. If anyone thinks it's 'elitist', then they can .... abstain from entering. It's just a side challenge, like blur or whatever. |
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02/07/2009 11:17:45 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by ubique:
No! 'Strong resistance' to something is, in my view, a very good reason for doing it. We just can't expect Langdon to put himself in an awkward position by making special arrangements. |
Of COURSE we can do it ourselves! And I hope we do. This challenge was a first step in that direction.
No, my demurrer was specifically directed at the idea of doing it as a special juried challenge, complete with the usal DPC ribbons, run under the site's auspices like any other challenge. Oh, you should have HEARD the howling when this was proposed! Maybe you did, was probably when you were around before...
R.
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02/07/2009 11:18:31 PM · #98 |
| The cry against it was not "overwhelming," imho. There was simply a divided opinion about it, just like there is on any topic around here. And most if not all of the people who were against it would be happy simply to not participate, I think. I'd be happy to have a monthly non-voting challenge where I was allowed to pick the challenge topic and give out ribbons. Well, duh, of course I'd be happy if I had that! :D |
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02/07/2009 11:28:06 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by ubique:
No! 'Strong resistance' to something is, in my view, a very good reason for doing it. We just can't expect Langdon to put himself in an awkward position by making special arrangements. |
Yes, I was referring to the "strong resistance" as the source of the awkwardness. At a minimum, this challange should continue in it's present form. |
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02/07/2009 11:36:24 PM · #100 |
I just wanted to add my voice to those expressing thanks to Don and Joe for pulling this challenge together: a lot of extra time and work for them, and I greatly appreciated their effort, the opportunity to contribute an entry, and the welcoming of additional ribbons/awards to the challenge.
The fact that it was an "underground" challenge of sorts was mostly a benefit, I think, though it may have surprised some folks who may have had different expectations.
The requirement to comment on every image in order to be able to award any ribbons was excellent--I enjoyed that more than I thought I would. As long as the number of entries is manageable, I think that should persist.
And having no numerical votes was, I think, a very good thing. This was a lot more like a virtual gallery, with viewers comments available. People don't go into galleries, point and say "That's a seven, this one's a six."
I learned a lot from the comments on all the images, not just my own. Commenting on the other images made me spend time thinking about what worked for me, what didn't, what speaks to me, what doesn't. That is a well-known method of improving one's own photography: spend time looking at images you love, figure out why you love them. Spend time looking at images that don't work for you--figure out why they don't. Then pick up the camera and go shoot!
I think making it a formal challenge is okay, but not necessarily value added. If, instead, the SC can create a mechanism so that we can post our entries to a side challenge like this anonymously until the moderator "releases" them, this would be logistically much easier. No rehosting of images, then commenting, then re-un-hosting the images, and copying of comments. Maybe it is something simple like Posting Images from a special property folder in our individual portfolios (like the Workshop folder, but slightly modified in properties: not available to the general public, but recognized by PostHumous Challenge Thread and id-suppressed until the designated date/time)
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