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01/19/2009 09:40:54 AM · #126 |
If an entry to this challenge is of a river in for example Russia but the photog titles it with for example "Still river, Arizona" to set the mood for the viewer; would you look at that as 'wrong' or unethical in any way?
The description and location will in that case of course reflect the real location. |
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01/19/2009 09:43:46 AM · #127 |
Nah I don't think it would matter either way to be honest. it is meant to be in 'his' style,
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01/19/2009 10:19:16 AM · #128 |
Originally posted by TrollMan:
If an entry to this challenge is of a river in for example Russia but the photog titles it with for example "Still river, Arizona" to set the mood for the viewer; would you look at that as 'wrong' or unethical in any way?
The description and location will in that case of course reflect the real location. |
I wouldn't see it as wrong, but I wouldn't do it. With your example, I'd just go with "Still River." Some people, on this site, get really upset if you mislead or fool them. |
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01/19/2009 10:27:44 AM · #129 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by vxpra:
I am in!!
Also got a FS entry this morning. It was a lovely (yet frigid) morning.
I didn't feel anyones hand on my shoulder. Although, I'd swear somebody kicked me in the butt (that might've been my wife). :) |
LOL!!!! Motivation by any other name is still motivation. It was a good morning for photography in Colorado. Did you see the wispy clouds against that deep blue sky? Great elements for a b&w conversion image. And, the morning air was clear. AA would have been in his element. Looking forward to seeing your contest entry. I tried to better my image capture from Friday morning. Came close. Now I'll have to choose, which is part of the process. I've enjoyed this challenge more than any previous challenges. It forced me to study and learn new techniques to transform images to the AA style. This challenge also opened my eyes to the importance of good tonal range.... quality of light and shadows, etc. My images from this morning's outing are better in color. The best b&w images look better in b&w, than they do in color. It's an important consideration. |
I am way farther south than you are (Durango). Our skies for the past few weeks have been washed out and blah- which is common for us in January. I wish this challenge would've happened in March. March clouds here are fantastic for B&W. My entry isn't as OOB as I originally planned- that shot is sweet, I think I'll save it for FS this month- but I'll still be hurt by some voters expectations of what should be in an Ansel Adams challenge. But as I said above. Scores don't matter for me. I've made it a point to enter much more this year as way of getting me off my butt and shooting more. My other bonus this weekend is I got three shots for stock ($$$$$). |
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01/19/2009 10:28:56 AM · #130 |
| I think the main criteria in this challenge should be if the photo captures the essence of AA. For example, the photo I submitted was kind of a landscape, but not a big huge one. It has high contrast and is in black and white, which is what AA was known for. I am hoping that voters know this, and do not vote solely on whether the photo is of a landscape or not. |
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01/19/2009 10:36:04 AM · #131 |
Originally posted by Physics_McG:
I think the main criteria in this challenge should be if the photo captures the essence of AA. For example, the photo I submitted was kind of a landscape, but not a big huge one. It has high contrast and is in black and white, which is what AA was known for. I am hoping that voters know this, and do not vote solely on whether the photo is of a landscape or not. |
We can always hope. |
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01/19/2009 10:39:27 AM · #132 |
Originally posted by Physics_McG:
I think the main criteria in this challenge should be if the photo captures the essence of AA. For example, the photo I submitted was kind of a landscape, but not a big huge one. It has high contrast and is in black and white, which is what AA was known for. I am hoping that voters know this, and do not vote solely on whether the photo is of a landscape or not. |
I hear what you're saying and agree with you, but I'd like to clarify something if I may:
In photography, "high contrast" usually refers to an image comprised almost entirely of white and black tones, with little expression of the intermediate gray tones. That's emphatically NOT what Ansel was about. He was about the full expression of ALL the tones in the given image. He DID do a lot of famous images with large areas of deep, rich shadows, so there's a lot of dark balanced by some beautiful, detailed brights, but it's not properly called "high contrast" IMO...
Others may disagree...
R.
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01/19/2009 10:45:21 AM · #133 |
Originally posted by vxpra:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by vxpra:
I am in!!
Also got a FS entry this morning. It was a lovely (yet frigid) morning.
I didn't feel anyones hand on my shoulder. Although, I'd swear somebody kicked me in the butt (that might've been my wife). :) |
LOL!!!! Motivation by any other name is still motivation. It was a good morning for photography in Colorado. Did you see the wispy clouds against that deep blue sky? Great elements for a b&w conversion image. And, the morning air was clear. AA would have been in his element. Looking forward to seeing your contest entry. I tried to better my image capture from Friday morning. Came close. Now I'll have to choose, which is part of the process. I've enjoyed this challenge more than any previous challenges. It forced me to study and learn new techniques to transform images to the AA style. This challenge also opened my eyes to the importance of good tonal range.... quality of light and shadows, etc. My images from this morning's outing are better in color. The best b&w images look better in b&w, than they do in color. It's an important consideration. |
I am way farther south than you are (Durango). Our skies for the past few weeks have been washed out and blah- which is common for us in January. I wish this challenge would've happened in March. March clouds here are fantastic for B&W. My entry isn't as OOB as I originally planned- that shot is sweet, I think I'll save it for FS this month- but I'll still be hurt by some voters expectations of what should be in an Ansel Adams challenge. But as I said above. Scores don't matter for me. I've made it a point to enter much more this year as way of getting me off my butt and shooting more. My other bonus this weekend is I got three shots for stock ($$$$$). |
From Durango, you could have done a day trip (circle) to Ghost Ranch, Taos and GrSandDunesNP for some very AA type landscape. I contemplated driving to those places myself. But, the weather and light would have had to cooperate. |
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01/19/2009 10:56:12 AM · #134 |
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01/19/2009 03:43:12 PM · #135 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Physics_McG:
I think the main criteria in this challenge should be if the photo captures the essence of AA. For example, the photo I submitted was kind of a landscape, but not a big huge one. It has high contrast and is in black and white, which is what AA was known for. I am hoping that voters know this, and do not vote solely on whether the photo is of a landscape or not. |
I hear what you're saying and agree with you, but I'd like to clarify something if I may:
In photography, "high contrast" usually refers to an image comprised almost entirely of white and black tones, with little expression of the intermediate gray tones. That's emphatically NOT what Ansel was about. He was about the full expression of ALL the tones in the given image. He DID do a lot of famous images with large areas of deep, rich shadows, so there's a lot of dark balanced by some beautiful, detailed brights, but it's not properly called "high contrast" IMO...
Others may disagree...
R. |
I somewhat agree with you bear, I wish that people would see the challenge as a prompt, for example if someone took a picture that was not a landscape but was in the AA style and the picture was well taken, then it should score high, he wasn't all about landscapes, but many people don't know that I guess.
Hopefully everything will go well though. |
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01/19/2009 03:46:56 PM · #136 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Physics_McG:
I think the main criteria in this challenge should be if the photo captures the essence of AA. For example, the photo I submitted was kind of a landscape, but not a big huge one. It has high contrast and is in black and white, which is what AA was known for. I am hoping that voters know this, and do not vote solely on whether the photo is of a landscape or not. |
I hear what you're saying and agree with you, but I'd like to clarify something if I may:
In photography, "high contrast" usually refers to an image comprised almost entirely of white and black tones, with little expression of the intermediate gray tones. That's emphatically NOT what Ansel was about. He was about the full expression of ALL the tones in the given image. He DID do a lot of famous images with large areas of deep, rich shadows, so there's a lot of dark balanced by some beautiful, detailed brights, but it's not properly called "high contrast" IMO...
Others may disagree...
R. |
No disagreement here. I'm trying to find images with a great tonal curve covering all the zones. Might not be a landscape, might not be iconic, might not even be pretty... |
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01/19/2009 04:14:13 PM · #137 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Physics_McG:
I think the main criteria in this challenge should be if the photo captures the essence of AA. For example, the photo I submitted was kind of a landscape, but not a big huge one. It has high contrast and is in black and white, which is what AA was known for. I am hoping that voters know this, and do not vote solely on whether the photo is of a landscape or not. |
I hear what you're saying and agree with you, but I'd like to clarify something if I may:
In photography, "high contrast" usually refers to an image comprised almost entirely of white and black tones, with little expression of the intermediate gray tones. That's emphatically NOT what Ansel was about. He was about the full expression of ALL the tones in the given image. He DID do a lot of famous images with large areas of deep, rich shadows, so there's a lot of dark balanced by some beautiful, detailed brights, but it's not properly called "high contrast" IMO...
Others may disagree...
R. |
Agreed. Hopefully voters will re-familiarize themselves with the extent of his work and not just be looking for big landscapes. Those of us in the east have too many trees blocking the view. |
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01/19/2009 04:18:51 PM · #138 |
One week is too short for an Ansel Adams Challenge!
Scanning through the thread it seems I'm not the only person disappointed by the lack of cooperation by their local weather. You can certainly get a "Zone System" image out of many weather conditions, but I have the feeling the winning shot for this challenge will have a dramatic sky. With just a weekend to shoot I ended up doing my best on the coast the first day with not a cloud to be seen and in the mountains the second day with dull gray overcast skies. I have yet to process my mountain images, but I know I didn't get the shot I was hoping for and might not even submit. If this challenge had been two weeks long it would have at least given a working person two weekends instead of one to hopefully find the right weather conditions. Frustrating! I think future AA Challenges should span at least two weeks- maybe even a month. Why not?
Message edited by author 2009-01-19 16:19:46. |
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01/19/2009 05:00:07 PM · #139 |
| Woo hoo. Got up early and headed up to the mountains for some tromping around in the cold and snow. May have come home with something usable although I think the 640 pixel limitation will hurt my shot because of the subject matter. I still have to work on them though to see if there's anything promising. |
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01/19/2009 05:07:04 PM · #140 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Woo hoo. Got up early and headed up to the mountains for some tromping around in the cold and snow. May have come home with something usable although I think the 640 pixel limitation will hurt my shot because of the subject matter. I still have to work on them though to see if there's anything promising. |
Um Doc, its an ADVANCED challenge, kick it up to 720!! :) |
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01/19/2009 05:13:50 PM · #141 |
Originally posted by dknourek:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Woo hoo. Got up early and headed up to the mountains for some tromping around in the cold and snow. May have come home with something usable although I think the 640 pixel limitation will hurt my shot because of the subject matter. I still have to work on them though to see if there's anything promising. |
Um Doc, its an ADVANCED challenge, kick it up to 720!! :) |
Oh yeah, I thought perhaps it was still 640 and just being advanced in the rules. Well 720 is still going to be small. This is one time when the 950 pixels of 1x.com would be nice. |
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01/19/2009 06:46:12 PM · #142 |
OK. I'm in. First entry for a long, long time. All the chat here about snow and clouds etc makes me smile. Been in the high 30C's around here in the past week and not a cloud in the sky. Oh, and we never get snow. Not sure about my entry. I sorta like it but it ain't no landscape so it'll probably get caned in voting.
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01/19/2009 06:54:52 PM · #143 |
The weather doesn't necessarily matter.
I recall AA doing a shot of an egg slicer and a bottle plus some other items on a kitchen counter. He also did a shot of a pine branch hanging just above the ground. But... many of the voters may not associate this with AA and vote it low and/or DNMC these types of entries.
The weather here is totally grey with poor visibility and snowing constantly right now so I entered the glasses challenge for now. Too bad since I live in a country surrounded by mountains and glaciers all within a relatively short drive...
I agree with whoever said that we should have 2 weeks or a month in a challenge. Especially since this probably will increase the participation if the odds of favorable weather for the challenge is slightly higher. |
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01/19/2009 06:56:51 PM · #144 |
Originally posted by TrollMan:
The weather doesn't necessarily matter.
I recall AA doing a shot of an egg slicer and a bottle plus some other items on a kitchen counter. He also did a shot of a pine branch hanging just above the ground. But... many of the voters may not associate this with AA and vote it low and/or DNMC these types of entries.
The weather here is totally grey with poor visibility and snowing constantly right now so I entered the glasses challenge for now. Too bad since I live in a country surrounded by mountains and glaciers all within a relatively short drive...
I agree with whoever said that we should have 2 weeks or a month in a challenge. Especially since this probably will increase the participation if the odds of favorable weather for the challenge is slightly higher. |
You mean the egg slicer and bottle pic has already been done? D'oh! :) |
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01/19/2009 07:43:57 PM · #145 |
| Anybody think about posterizing their shot as a test to see where their zones are? I'm curious to try and see if it would be helpful in knowing where to work the old dodge and burn. |
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01/20/2009 06:32:09 AM · #146 |
Overcast skies here in Holland..dull gray..no improvement in weather expected in time for challenge. Will have to enter the best I managed in these conditions.
Ps. I see a lot of mention of dodge and burn. I don't have Photoshop nor any program with fancy features like that. I use the Apple MacMini with iPhoto 08 and a small stand alone editing program with basic functions but no dodge and burn. Did Ansel use the equivalent of dodge and burn in his film processing in the darkroom by the way?
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01/20/2009 06:44:40 AM · #147 |
Originally posted by ThingFish:
Did Ansel use the equivalent of dodge and burn in his film processing in the darkroom by the way? |
I'm sure he did. Dodging and burning was a common technique since the earliest history of photography. |
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01/20/2009 06:49:12 AM · #148 |
Originally posted by ThingFish:
Ps. I see a lot of mention of dodge and burn. I don't have Photoshop nor any program with fancy features like that. I use the Apple MacMini with iPhoto 08 and a small stand alone editing program with basic functions but no dodge and burn. |
You should really try a photo editing app for Mac called Gimp! It is actually free and some people even argue it's as useful as Photoshop... Dodge & Burn is fully functional. (I use CS4 myself but have used Gimp on laptops witout Photoshop). |
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01/20/2009 07:24:17 AM · #149 |
Ansel Adams Mountainscape
The man was a technical wizard and photographic genius of the first order of magnitude working in film, chemicals baths, enlargers and photo paper. This picture was taken from the roof of his car.
It is unimaginable what he could accomplish with today's technology and software. |
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01/20/2009 09:23:18 AM · #150 |
Originally posted by ThingFish:
Did Ansel use the equivalent of dodge and burn in his film processing in the darkroom by the way? |
1. Dodge & Burn is applied to the exposure of the print, not the processing of the film. (This may be a language issue with you, but just to clarify)
2. Ansel was the acknowledged master of printing B/W images. The tonal range of his prints has rarely been equaled and never surpassed. D&B was a significant tool in his arsenal; he used Zone System processing of the negative to get the overall tonal range of the negative right, then used local controls (D&B primarily) to adjust specific areas in the print that were out-of-gamut. He also tended to darken the edges of his landscape images slightly to help contain them against the white mattes he mounted with.
R.
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