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01/17/2009 08:25:28 AM · #101 |
| This might be a stupid question, but i'm relatively new to all this. For this challenge, the picture should be black and white from the camera or can it be in color and post processed later to B/W in PS? |
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01/17/2009 08:37:37 AM · #102 |
Originally posted by phlover:
This might be a stupid question, but i'm relatively new to all this. For this challenge, the picture should be black and white from the camera or can it be in color and post processed later to B/W in PS? |
You can shoot in color and process to B&W. |
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01/17/2009 08:52:48 AM · #103 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Originally posted by phlover:
This might be a stupid question, but i'm relatively new to all this. For this challenge, the picture should be black and white from the camera or can it be in color and post processed later to B/W in PS? |
You can shoot in color and process to B&W. |
Thanks a lot. |
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01/17/2009 08:55:56 AM · #104 |
| that list is not complete, I know he shot more in Arizona than they have printed up, Gates Pass,San Xavier etc |
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01/17/2009 09:42:41 AM · #105 |
Originally posted by Ter:
shot mine today and i wish i had found this site beforehand
Ansel Adams Archive |
Just for the record, this archive comprises commercial work done for the National Park Service. The images have been very poorly scanned for the web. They look more like proofs than finished work, really, though I don't know if that's actually the case.
To see what I'm talking about, compare this with this: The second one is much closer to what it ought to be, but neither is even remotely close to how the real print feels. And a quick perusal of the archives shows this Snake River shot as one of the few "iconic" Ansels to come from his Park Service work; it's a very famous image. Another well-known image from this project is this one, which is the one we actually entered in the last Ansel Adams challenge.
You can see why it's a miracle that one made it as high as it did... Really bad reproduction. It was chosen because it was in the public domain (which few of his "good" images are) and not anywhere near as well known as the Snake River shot.
R.
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01/17/2009 09:43:39 AM · #106 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
that list is not complete, I know he shot more in Arizona than they have printed up, Gates Pass,San Xavier etc |
Not all his work in Arizona was done for the National Park Service, though.
R.
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01/17/2009 10:24:25 AM · #107 |
| well there ya go, Tucson was too cheap to hire him! |
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01/17/2009 12:43:07 PM · #108 |
Ansel Adams photographed in the USA and some work in Mexico if I have the facts correctly. And he is known mostly for his landscapes. So does this mean that basicly only photographs taken in the USA and Mexico or countries that have very similar scenery to that depicted in Ansel Adams photo's will be acceptable for this challenge? Or would someone like myself who lives in Holland and takes a photo of a Dutch landscape with windmills and all but in the style that Ansel Adams would have shot it in qualify?
In other words..is it more about the style and technique of Ansel Adams rather then the actual scenery depicted?
The challenge states:
"Challenge Details: Take a photograph in the style of this famous black & white photographer."
Message edited by author 2009-01-17 12:44:56. |
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01/17/2009 12:47:23 PM · #109 |
| More about the style and the techniques, Jan. In fact, I'm looking forward to seeing how the challenge is interpreted OTHER than replication of Adams' scenes. Go for it! |
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01/17/2009 12:48:48 PM · #110 |
Originally posted by ThingFish:
Ansel Adams photographed in the USA and some work in Mexico if I have the facts correctly. And he is known mostly for his landscapes. So does this mean that basicly only photographs taken in the USA and Mexico or countries that have very similar scenery to that depicted in Ansel Adams photo's will be acceptable for this challenge? Or would someone like myself who lives in Holland and takes a photo of a Dutch landscape with windmills and all but in the style that Ansel Adams would have shot it in qualify?
In other words..is it more about the style and technique of Ansel Adams rather then the actual scenery depicted?
The challenge states:
"Challenge Details: Take a photograph in the style of this famous black & white photographer." |
I don't think the challenge is about a specific location or setting. Take a look at the zone system and if your shot takes that into account, then you're good. Doesn't matter if it's New Mexico, Peru, Iceland or Holland. It's more the processing. |
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01/17/2009 01:11:54 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by Marc923:
I don't think the challenge is about a specific location or setting. Take a look at the zone system and if your shot takes that into account, then you're good. Doesn't matter if it's New Mexico, Peru, Iceland or Holland. It's more the processing. |
And the light - light is a biggie. Which right now we have none of. Overcast and very dull and dark. Not a shadow to be found anywhere. |
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01/17/2009 01:50:11 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by citymars:
Originally posted by hahn23:
My entry is "in". The weather and light cooperated. It was fun. AA's hand was on my shoulder. |
I used to drink, too. |
Your comment was meant to be funny. I laughed. However, trying to emulate an amazing artist who excelled in his presentation of remarkable tonal range and inspiring landscape photography has nothing to do with being intoxicated. Quite to the contrary. I didn't see any "drinkers" at sunrise this morning at 11,000 feet elevation.... 5 miles up the trail, through deep snow. It takes a lot of work to do landscape photography. If you've never felt the presence of a "departed from this earth" admired person in your expression of your artistry, then you are not "tuned in". |
You did catch the AA - Alcoholic's Anonymous reference right? ;) |
Oh, yeah! It was an unintentional acronym. It never occurred to me that someone would think of alcoholics, but then, it would not be the first time I misjudged and wrote poorly. |
Hey, Richard. Yeah, I was totally making an easy joke on the AA/Alcoholics Anonymous theme, nothing more. Sorry if it caused you even a moment of angst. And thanks, DrAchoo, for stepping in. |
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01/17/2009 04:59:56 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by citymars:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by citymars:
Originally posted by hahn23:
My entry is "in". The weather and light cooperated. It was fun. AA's hand was on my shoulder. |
I used to drink, too. |
Your comment was meant to be funny. I laughed. However, trying to emulate an amazing artist who excelled in his presentation of remarkable tonal range and inspiring landscape photography has nothing to do with being intoxicated. Quite to the contrary. I didn't see any "drinkers" at sunrise this morning at 11,000 feet elevation.... 5 miles up the trail, through deep snow. It takes a lot of work to do landscape photography. If you've never felt the presence of a "departed from this earth" admired person in your expression of your artistry, then you are not "tuned in". |
You did catch the AA - Alcoholic's Anonymous reference right? ;) |
Oh, yeah! It was an unintentional acronym. It never occurred to me that someone would think of alcoholics, but then, it would not be the first time I misjudged and wrote poorly. |
Hey, Richard. Yeah, I was totally making an easy joke on the AA/Alcoholics Anonymous theme, nothing more. Sorry if it caused you even a moment of angst. And thanks, DrAchoo, for stepping in. |
No problem, Larry! Very humorous! It's an interesting comment on society, too. If you asked 100 people on the street what "AA" stood for, 97 might reference the drinking support group. Maybe after this challenge, we can shift the measure towards Ansel's way. If I ribbon in this challenge, I will grow a beard and wear an Ansel Adam's style hat!
Message edited by author 2009-01-17 17:01:03. |
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01/17/2009 05:06:15 PM · #114 |
| Okay, my entry has been "in" for 24 hours. I like it. But, I'm wondering if I should tone it? Silver, selenium, sepia??? You get the idea. Or, leave it as an un-toned b&w. I did pay attention to the "zones".... I'm proud of the even distribution between 1 and 9. A few pixels in 0 and 10, but an insignificant number. And, does anyone know what type of film Ansel Adams' used? My b&w conversion plug-in allows the selection of film type to emulate. Might as well make it realistic, if we're going to emulate AA's style. |
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01/17/2009 05:55:40 PM · #115 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Originally posted by Marc923:
I don't think the challenge is about a specific location or setting. Take a look at the zone system and if your shot takes that into account, then you're good. Doesn't matter if it's New Mexico, Peru, Iceland or Holland. It's more the processing. |
And the light - light is a biggie. Which right now we have none of. Overcast and very dull and dark. Not a shadow to be found anywhere. |
Same here....Gray, rainy and extremely dull and overcast. (thanks for that tip and link about the "zone system")
Message edited by author 2009-01-17 17:57:10. |
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01/17/2009 07:03:31 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by rugman1969:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
I am trying to understand, how is Ansel such a great photographer when one of his photographs recently appeared on the DPC Shadows challenge, and only scored a 4.6. It sounds like this guy is only a great photographer if you know it's his photo. If you don't know it's his, he obviously isn't all that great. So, how can you say how great he is, if his photo doesn't score so well on DPC? |
Michael Jordan wasn't very good at baseball. |
WTF? If there was a contest for not making any sense, I think you would when. |
And you'd win for typos? ;)
There is no single test of greatness. If Ansel Adams does poorly on DPC it means he does poorly on DPC. It does not mean he is not a Master. Micahel Jordan was one of the best basketball players of all time. Just because he sucked at baseball does not make that any less true. |
Sorry I work for a living, and I squeeze these forums in here and there. So when I typo on here, it's because I'm in a rush and busy. I don't have the luxury of sitting home all day and typing in these forums. But stop trying to take the spotlight off of the subjuect and project it to my spelling error. This will not change the obvious fact of the supposed to be expert photographers who voted on the Ansel picture. I would assume an expert would be able to notice expertise with no problem. Not a single 10 for his picture. Go figure. |
For all of the ignorant, narrow minded, I'm-so-right individuals (and the others feel free to dig in):
Pearls before breakfast
Find some time in your busy schedule, it might help.
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01/17/2009 10:03:38 PM · #117 |
Thanks for that link. Good read /nod. |
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01/17/2009 10:46:34 PM · #118 |
Pearls before breakfast
Awesome article! As I'm studying psychology, I found this to be a really great social psychology experiment. Thanks =) Im gonna pass this on to a professor.
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01/17/2009 11:01:10 PM · #119 |
Zig, thanks for the evening entertainment! The article was well worth it for this quote alone...
"No. If you love something but choose not to do it professionally, it's not a waste. Because, you know, you still have it. You have it forever."
This is heading straight for my signature. |
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01/18/2009 10:17:18 AM · #120 |
it's interesting that a this time Ansel adams=53 entry and glasses (as my opinion is securely more easy take a photo with a glass) =28 entry.
probably ansel adams is definitively more interesting..........
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01/18/2009 01:02:58 PM · #121 |
That was one of the the best articles I've had the pleasure to read in a long time.
"...If we can't take the time out of our lives to stay a moment and listen to one of the best musicians on Earth play some of the best music ever written; if the surge of modern life so overpowers us that we are deaf and blind to something like that -- then what else are we missing?..."
Thank you.
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01/18/2009 01:10:12 PM · #122 |
Originally posted by L2:
That was one of the the best articles I've had the pleasure to read in a long time.
"...If we can't take the time out of our lives to stay a moment and listen to one of the best musicians on Earth play some of the best music ever written; if the surge of modern life so overpowers us that we are deaf and blind to something like that -- then what else are we missing?..."
Thank you. |
I remember reading that article what, 2 years ago? I thought it was wonderful then, and I think it's wonderful now. But then, I've sort of dedicated my life to "smelling the roses", LOL; I'm about as far from being driven by financial concerns as you can be in this country at this time :-)
R.
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01/18/2009 01:48:54 PM · #123 |
I am in!!
Also got a FS entry this morning. It was a lovely (yet frigid) morning.
I didn't feel anyones hand on my shoulder. Although, I'd swear somebody kicked me in the butt (that might've been my wife). :) |
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01/18/2009 07:26:11 PM · #124 |
| I was supposed to shoot mine tomorrow, but the weather forecast say it's going to be more or less the same weather as it were today. SNOWSTORM!!!!!! I was looking forward to push myself on this, but... snowstorm up in the mountains... Looking forward to see your entries though. I just have to try even more on my FS entry since I know I'm capable of a higher score than avg. 5. |
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01/18/2009 07:46:29 PM · #125 |
Originally posted by vxpra:
I am in!!
Also got a FS entry this morning. It was a lovely (yet frigid) morning.
I didn't feel anyones hand on my shoulder. Although, I'd swear somebody kicked me in the butt (that might've been my wife). :) |
LOL!!!! Motivation by any other name is still motivation. It was a good morning for photography in Colorado. Did you see the wispy clouds against that deep blue sky? Great elements for a b&w conversion image. And, the morning air was clear. AA would have been in his element. Looking forward to seeing your contest entry. I tried to better my image capture from Friday morning. Came close. Now I'll have to choose, which is part of the process. I've enjoyed this challenge more than any previous challenges. It forced me to study and learn new techniques to transform images to the AA style. This challenge also opened my eyes to the importance of good tonal range.... quality of light and shadows, etc. My images from this morning's outing are better in color. The best b&w images look better in b&w, than they do in color. It's an important consideration.
Message edited by author 2009-01-18 19:47:43. |
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