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12/14/2008 10:25:29 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Easy Leo. She was just asking what people liked about the "underrated" shots. Wouldn't that be a good thing to discuss? |
Yes, let's talk about it...
Just "one" of my favs. This had to be ribboned.
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It finished fourth Leo. It's .0127 points below the yellow ribbon. Getting the yellow wouldn't make this a better image but it seems like you think it would for some strange reason. |
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12/14/2008 10:26:08 AM · #52 |
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12/14/2008 11:03:21 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by Artifacts:
Btw, Jason, in my personal opinion your image captures the look and feel of this Ansel Adams photograph:
Moonrise, Hernandez, New Mexico, 1941
However, Bear_Music is far more qualified to comment on that than I. |
I already did, actually, in the comments section, with a thumb of the Adams "moonrise" as well:
Originally posted by comments:
Wonderful piece of work. For those who aren't aware of it, Doc is paying homage to one of Ansel Adams's most famous images, "Moonrise, Hernandez, New Mexico".
Ain't that remarkable? Check out the SKY. A better reproduction of the Adams would more closely resemble Doc's tones. |
I too noticed that this was an atypical view of the Painted Hills; took a lot of bravery to do them in B/W :-)
R.
Message edited by author 2008-12-14 11:07:36.
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12/14/2008 11:29:12 AM · #54 |
My two favorites (13th and 30th)
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12/14/2008 11:34:36 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by hajeka:
My two favorites (13th and 30th)
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Hajeka, why were these your favorites? What about them spoke to you? |
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12/14/2008 11:37:29 AM · #56 |
| On a side note, I wish there were a "Master's Free Study" every month. The images are simply amazing & it gives some of the strongest DPC photographers tougher competition. |
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12/14/2008 11:46:00 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by JMart:
On a side note, I wish there were a "Master's Free Study" every month. The images are simply amazing & it gives some of the strongest DPC photographers tougher competition. |
very true.. |
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12/14/2008 11:56:29 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Easy Leo. She was just asking what people liked about the "underrated" shots. Wouldn't that be a good thing to discuss? |
Yes, let's talk about it...
Just "one" of my favs. This had to be ribboned.
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It finished fourth Leo. It's .0127 points below the yellow ribbon. Getting the yellow wouldn't make this a better image but it seems like you think it would for some strange reason. |
So, because they are too close I can't tell what I said?
I like this image better than 2nd and 3rd image. Here is why  L2...
This is not an ordinary bridge photo. There are many bridge photos out there, but this one is pretty unique. Duotone colors working pretty good here. The tilt of the structures also gives a unique feeling. Nothing bothers my eyes, very pleasant to look at. Technically very good, composition is awesome. Photographer took time at night to compose this, I respect to night shots more than day shots. There are some risks involved, but that's not the whole point in this photo, just some of it.
let me go further,
Some photo journalism, but most is the work itself here just looking into your eyes. Doesn't this photo tell you something? I think it does. Technically very nice. Frames done exactly the way supposed to... Composition, awesome. I can tell you this much, this shot worth a lot more than a bird just a human factor to begin with.. but, I think counting fathers-sharpness counts more to most in DPC.
and since this one came out,
Can't you see the quality of this photo as a painting. Duotone again works very well. This is not only a forest photo, but a dramatic one, and artistic one. Post process, it goes with the photo itself. Masters not only take the shot but work with it as good as their shots.
i think I have explained those fairly and enough.
Now, if some of you yell at me because I put down the winners, well, it will prove my point when I say why am I not getting into critiquing the winners against their followers. |
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12/14/2008 11:56:50 AM · #59 |
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12/14/2008 12:11:10 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by L2:
Originally posted by Zigomar:
[quote=L2] [quote=yanko] [quote=Zigomar] [quote=joynim] 
I really liked this one
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Thanks, Zigomar. After I read all the comments, I did understand the points Gordon was making. I guess what I meant was: your in this lovely setting, perfect strangers comes by and agrees to be photographed. Was it a Lensbaby day, and that lens was already on your camera? Or was there something about the scene and the guy with his hat that made you think to yourself, OMG, I so need the Lensbaby for this? |
Well it was a combination of all of these things. It was in the middle of Slice of November side study, I wen't outside the city to shoot a documentary film (I'm doing the sound), I had my camera bag with all the lenses. This scene was already lit for some interview ( I didn't do the lighting), the hat was around, the dude that agreed to be photographed was somebody's friend, he was walking around being cool ;-), he was wearing these cool clothes(and he's really young, 20 years old), I asked him to jump into this comfy chair and made him wear the hat. It turned out to be an interesting mixture in the end :-)
edit, check out the "dude" here (far left)
and here
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12/14/2008 12:21:54 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Now, if some of you yell at me because I put down the winners, well, it will prove my point when I say why am I not getting into critiquing the winners against their followers. |
Thanks for going a bit out on a limb. Following these discussions is very interesting and educational to me. |
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12/14/2008 12:31:56 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by L2:
Thanks, Zigomar. After I read all the comments, I did understand the points Gordon was making. I guess what I meant was: your in this lovely setting, perfect strangers comes by and agrees to be photographed. Was it a Lensbaby day, and that lens was already on your camera? Or was there something about the scene and the guy with his hat that made you think to yourself, OMG, I so need the Lensbaby for this? |
Originally posted by Zigomar:
Well it was a combination of all of these things. It was in the middle of Slice of November side study, I wen't outside the city to shoot a documentary film (I'm doing the sound), I had my camera bag with all the lenses. This scene was already lit for some interview ( I didn't do the lighting), the hat was around, the dude that agreed to be photographed was somebody's friend, he was walking around being cool ;-), he was wearing these cool clothes(and he's really young, 20 years old), I asked him to jump into this comfy chair and made him wear the hat. It turned out to be an interesting mixture in the end :-)
edit, check out the "dude" here (far left)
and here
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Oh wow, that's great, thanks. I'm often not as quick as I'd like to be with thinking on my feet and seeing the shot that could have been there right in front of me if I'd only been a little more on top of it.
Your story was a good reminder to look beyond what's there and see what could be. :)
And yeah, that guy has a really interesting face - no question he was the right one to put in the hat.
Thanks again.
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12/14/2008 12:56:29 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
I like this image better than 2nd and 3rd image. Here is why L2...
This is not an ordinary bridge photo. There are many bridge photos out there, but this one is pretty unique. Duotone colors working pretty good here. The tilt of the structures also gives a unique feeling. Nothing bothers my eyes, very pleasant to look at. Technically very good, composition is awesome. Photographer took time at night to compose this, I respect to night shots more than day shots. There are some risks involved, but that's not the whole point in this photo, just some of it.
let me go further,
Some photo journalism, but most is the work itself here just looking into your eyes. Doesn't this photo tell you something? I think it does. Technically very nice. Frames done exactly the way supposed to... Composition, awesome. I can tell you this much, this shot worth a lot more than a bird just a human factor to begin with.. but, I think counting fathers-sharpness counts more to most in DPC.
and since this one came out,
Can't you see the quality of this photo as a painting. Duotone again works very well. This is not only a forest photo, but a dramatic one, and artistic one. Post process, it goes with the photo itself. Masters not only take the shot but work with it as good as their shots.
i think I have explained those fairly and enough.
Now, if some of you yell at me because I put down the winners, well, it will prove my point when I say why am I not getting into critiquing the winners against their followers. |
I'm not sure it's the intent of anyone here to put down the winners, Focuspoint. At least, that's not my intention. Ironically, I started asking questions because of this thread which I didn't realize until just this second that it was you that started it. I thought Bear made this particular thread to talk about shots that weren't winners, and to encourage others to take a second look at some stunning work that didn't rise to the top for one reason or another. Maybe a better thread title would have been "Take a Second Look At..." or something.
Anyway, on to AP's bridge shot. You mention that AP took some risks, are you referring to the angle? I like night shots, too, because they are usually harder to get right. People always say that photography is all about light, and a night shot really focuses on the little bit that's available and can produce some really stunning stuff. I, too, gave the bridge a pretty high score, but here's what bothered me about it: the border in this case has almost become an element of composition. I'm looking at a bridge and following the implied lines, swooping gracefully throughout the frame and *thunk* - where'd the lights go? They end up dropping off into the border.
Now for Dirt Diver's shot - another awesome shot. You said "Doesn't this photo tell you something?" Yes. Before I read the title, I first wondered if it was a statement about Rosa Parks or something. Then, no, because the guy is in the middle seat. Then I thought it was meant to be a pensive study, and admired the dynamic range on the exposure. Then I saw the title, and believed finally that the artistic statement must be about hard work and waiting for it to pay off. What were your thoughts when you saw it?
For Artvet's forest shot, which also was another favorite of mine, I first thought of my home state and an ecological problem they had with spruce budworm killing trees and that's what made me look harder at it. At first glance it's gorgeous, but still a bit desolate. Looking through the sky, I can't tell if that's smoke or clouds but it doesn't matter, the key is in the horizon where it's bright instead of dark, suggesting hope even in the face of tragedy. I left the shot with a positive feeling and hopefully passing it by casting a high vote.
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12/14/2008 01:10:32 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
I'm not sure who's image this is but I personally thought it deserved a 7 and should have been on the front page....
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ROFL nothing like a little self promotion huh? I do like the image, but I dont think you can be under rated and finish in 13th place.
Matt
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12/14/2008 01:11:36 PM · #65 |
| Laurie, you ought to add your comments to the shots themselves - I'm sure the photographers would really appreciate it! |
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12/14/2008 01:27:46 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by L2:
For Artvet's forest shot, which also was another favorite of mine, I first thought of my home state and an ecological problem they had with spruce budworm killing trees and that's what made me look harder at it. At first glance it's gorgeous, but still a bit desolate. Looking through the sky, I can't tell if that's smoke or clouds but it doesn't matter, the key is in the horizon where it's bright instead of dark, suggesting hope even in the face of tragedy. I left the shot with a positive feeling and hopefully passing it by casting a high vote. |
L2: While I think it is a good thing to do your own analysis of an image I also think it is important to try to understand what the photographer's thoughts were when he composed his shot. And I'm not sure he was thinking what you were thinking. But that's quite OK :) Lest never forget that the photographer's intentions are also important to consider.
To me the "after the fire" picture is a little simpler than what your feelings were (I'm a simple man :)): I rated this a 10. The reason for a perfect score from me was that I instantly felt the true meaning of devastation after a forest fire. What more would I want from the picture? The technicalities (rule of thirds, light, framing etc.) is not of interest to me. As simple as that... :) But that's only me. I did not look at this particular image as a tragedy though. A forest fire is just a part of how our globe works. Had it been an image of a village burned down as a result of forest fire, it would have been a tragedy.
If one person likes it because it was 'cool' or just a nice shot or if you like it because you see a light in the horizon suggesting hope in the face of a tragedy is both OK to me. I'm very happy that we all have our own thoughts of what makes an image a nice image and not following 'the book' (that would've been bad!!). |
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12/14/2008 01:35:18 PM · #67 |
i thought this would be top 5, the image clarity is amazing, it looks like a discovery channel shot on High Definition. |
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12/14/2008 01:45:04 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by TrollMan:
L2: While I think it is a good thing to do your own analysis of an image I also think it is important to try to understand what the photographer's thoughts were when he composed his shot. And I'm not sure he was thinking what you were thinking. But that's quite OK :) Lest never forget that the photographer's intentions are also important to consider.... |
You are so right! After I wrote that, I was hoping Artvet would come along and tell me all about what he was thinking when he shot it, what he thought when he processed it, etc. Each viewer will bring their own individual bias into a shot, it's why images with political statements often don't do well score-wise but their histograms will show strong emotive reactions on both ends of the voting scale. Provoking a strong emotive reaction could be considered a huge success if that was that was the photographer's intent.
Originally posted by TrollMan:
...If one person likes it because it was 'cool' or just a nice shot or if you like it because you see a light in the horizon suggesting hope in the face of a tragedy is both OK to me. I'm very happy that we all have our own thoughts of what makes an image a nice image and not following 'the book' (that would've been bad!!). |
Me too! I'm always curious whether the message I received was the one the photographer intended. Lately I've really been working hard on carefully considering images on an emotive level and how the technical aspects of a shot support or don't support what a typical viewer might see. It's turning out to be a harder exercise than I thought. :) |
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12/14/2008 02:09:54 PM · #69 |
Hmmmmmm... why am I not surprised that Bear_Music would already have made the comparison and noted the unique Ansel Adamish qualities of Jason's image? LOL!!! Guess I should read comments beyond the photographer's own before I speak.
Though I could not remember the title at the time, I thought of the Hernandez image right away which I'd originally thought was taken in Taos. I had to do a Net search to relocate it.
As it so happened I'd been corresponded with Jason about camera equipment right after I'd marveled at that picture during voting and he admitted it was his. Ironically, the picture isn't anything like what you'd think Jason might take but it's unique qualities were a dead givaway and I thought of him right away. I know very few photographers capable of composing an image like his and Jason is the only Northwest DPCer who would take the chance. It was an easy guess.
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Artifacts:
Btw, Jason, in my personal opinion your image captures the look and feel of this Ansel Adams photograph:
Moonrise, Hernandez, New Mexico, 1941
However, Bear_Music is far more qualified to comment on that than I. |
I already did, actually, in the comments section, with a thumb of the Adams "moonrise" as well:
Originally posted by comments:
Wonderful piece of work. For those who aren't aware of it, Doc is paying homage to one of Ansel Adams's most famous images, "Moonrise, Hernandez, New Mexico".
Ain't that remarkable? Check out the SKY. A better reproduction of the Adams would more closely resemble Doc's tones. |
I too noticed that this was an atypical view of the Painted Hills; took a lot of bravery to do them in B/W :-)
R. |
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12/14/2008 02:30:26 PM · #70 |
| You are too kind Steve. Thanks for the words of encouragement! |
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12/14/2008 03:13:49 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Originally posted by yanko:
You'll never see a pigeon photo outscore an eagle photo with all else being equal. It simply doesn't happen. There are not enough voters that consider pigeons as worthy subjects at least on par with birds of prey or other subjects deemed "cool". |
So you're saying I haven't a chance in hell at a FS ribbon, eh? :-) |
Sure you can. Just make sure an eagle has it's claws in the pigeon.
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12/14/2008 03:16:20 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
You are too kind Steve. Thanks for the words of encouragement! |
Whoa! Hold on there just a darned second... this can't be true... Jason, humble?? LOL!!!!
Its a heck of a photograph and I hope we go on another photo safari or two together sometime.
Hell's Canyon and far eastern and southeastern Oregon have never been adequately captured in photographs before. Outside Utah's Grand Staircase-Escalante it is probably the second greatest untouched land mass still left in the lower 48 US States remaining to be captured by the landscape photographer's lens. It would be nice to have some company. |
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12/14/2008 03:17:01 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
You are too kind Steve. Thanks for the words of encouragement! |
In the commments section of your your picture you wrote: "If this finishes anywhere close to the top, I'll do a "how it was done" tutorial for the PP."
Do you consider top 20 close enough to the top? :) In any case; I'd love to see a tutorial when you have the time to do it. Pretty please?? :D |
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12/14/2008 03:31:31 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by TrollMan:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
You are too kind Steve. Thanks for the words of encouragement! |
In the commments section of your your picture you wrote: "If this finishes anywhere close to the top, I'll do a "how it was done" tutorial for the PP."
Do you consider top 20 close enough to the top? :) In any case; I'd love to see a tutorial when you have the time to do it. Pretty please?? :D |
Ya, I'll try to do that this week sometime. |
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12/14/2008 03:33:38 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by Artifacts:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
You are too kind Steve. Thanks for the words of encouragement! |
Whoa! Hold on there just a darned second... this can't be true... Jason, humble?? LOL!!!!
Its a heck of a photograph and I hope we go on another photo safari or two together sometime.
Hell's Canyon and far eastern and southeastern Oregon have never been adequately captured in photographs before. Outside Utah's Grand Staircase-Escalante it is probably the second greatest untouched land mass still left in the lower 48 US States remaining to be captured by the landscape photographer's lens. It would be nice to have some company. |
Heck, I didn't realize you were stdavidson... I been wondering where the heck you were! How ya doing, friend? Remember this?
\:-) R.
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