Head-to-head to-the-death knockout-a-thon, anyone?

Sony DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Zoom Lens for Sony Alpha

12/10/2008 05:50:35 PM · #1

Since head-to-heads are all the rage at the moment, I thought about organising a head-head knockout tourney and thought I'd see who was interested..

Format as follows:

1. Participants are drawn into head-to-head pairs who will compete against each other.

2. I'm proposing to start round 1 on Jan 1 2009. All challenges that are announced on or after this date (including speed challenges, extra challenges and free studies) count for the purposes of this tourney.

3. In each pair, for each challenge they both participate in, whoever's picture scores the highest wins a point. The first person to 2 points wins the match.

4. If one calendar month after the match begins, neither player has scored 2 points, then the tie will be decided as follows:
Round 1
i) If any challenges at that point are still in voting or in submission, then these challenges will run their course.
ii) If that does not settle it, the average of the challenge score for each players from the start of the round will be taken (provided they have entered at least two challenges) and the highest average wins. NB in the event that a member is playing a registered user, the average will be taken of the challenges both have had the opportunity to enter.
iii) If that does not settle it or either photographer enters only one or fewer challenges during the round, then the all time average will be taken into account instead of the average from the start of the round. NB if one photographer who's entered two or more (photographer A) is against one who's entered one or fewer (photographer B) then A's average from the start of the round will be compared against B's all-time average.
Rounds 2 onward
i) If any challenges at that point are still in voting or in submission, then these challenges will run their course.
ii) If that does not settle it, the average of the challenge score for each players from the start of round 1 will be taken (provided they have entered at least two challenges in the current round) and the highest average wins. NB in the event that a member is playing a registered user, the average will be taken of the challenges both have had the opportunity to enter.
iii) If that does not settle it or either photographer enters only one or fewer challenges during the round, then the all time average will be taken into account instead of the average from the start of round 1. NB if one photographer who's entered two or more (photographer A) is against one who's entered one or fewer (photographer B) then A's average from the start of round 1 will be compared against B's all-time average.

5. A player may only qualify for the next round via their all-time average (i.e. having entered 2 or fewer challenges during the month their match runs for) once. If in a subsequent round they enter 2 or fewer challenges they lose by default.

6. Round 1 consists of 20 pairs in the head-to-head format. The 20 winners go through to round 2, plus the 4 highest-ranked of the 20 people who lost in round 1 (based on the average score of the pics they submitted between the first challenge announced after Jan 1 and the point which they lose their round 1 match. NB They must have entered two challenges during the course of the round to be considered for a highest loser spot. Anyone who has entered one or fewer will be eliminated)

7. That makes 24 people in round 2, in 12 pairs in a head-to-head format, the 12 winners go through to round 3 plus the 4 highest ranked losers from round 2 (based on the average score of the pics they submitted between the first challenge announced after Jan 1 and the point which they lose their round 2 match. NB They must have entered two challenges during the course of the round to be considered for a highest loser spot. Anyone who has entered one or fewer will be eliminated)

8. That makes 16 people in round 3 and from there it's a straight knockout. Round 4 will consist of the winners of the 8 matches in round 3, round 5 will consists of the 4 winners in round 4 and so on.

9. For the purposes of the tourney, the open challenges each week count as one challenge. Giving the example of the two open challenges open for submissions as I write this (Bokeh and Personification), if one of the pair is in Bokeh and the other Personification, then whoever scores highest in their respective challenge wins the point.

If anyone has any suggestions or questions, ask away. If you're interested, PM me or reply in this thread.

ETA: our 40 participants are:

vlado

The tournament is well underway. Full standings and match-ups are contained here.

Message edited by author 2009-01-20 14:54:28.

Ecce_Signum

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

12/10/2008 06:00:47 PM · #2

Well, for someone that was going to submit less in 2009 I'm game - however, I do think there should be a forfeit for each 'loser' and the worse the better lol

Sony DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Zoom Lens for Sony Alpha

12/10/2008 06:06:08 PM · #3

Originally posted by Ecce Signum:

Well, for someone that was going to submit less in 2009 I'm game - however, I do think there should be a forfeit for each 'loser' and the worse the better lol

Lol I made myself a similar promise. As for forfeits I'll let people choose their own ;-)

How are you doing Andi my good man?

see

Canon PowerShot S95

12/10/2008 06:08:19 PM · #4

After the DPCO I realized I�m not much for the basic editing challenges. That would leave me with 4 member challenges + free study per month. If that�s enough sign me up.

Dirt_Diver

Nikon D3s

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

12/10/2008 06:13:48 PM · #5

I might do this. Count me in for now but I may back out later.

cryan

Nikon D700

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX DG Macro for Nikon

12/10/2008 06:23:38 PM · #6

I might be intrested in this. Sign me up for now.

salmiakki

Sony Alpha a7R III

Sony Sonnar T* 35mm F2.8 ZA

12/10/2008 11:20:41 PM · #7

Andi........... you said....... Oh well, never mind. At least you know where to get frilly knickers!!!!!

Originally posted by Ecce Signum:

Well, for someone that was going to submit less in 2009 I'm game - however, I do think there should be a forfeit for each 'loser' and the worse the better lol

EBJones

Nikon D200

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

12/10/2008 11:34:06 PM · #8

I could go for this. . . I've been waiting for the next better than average side tourney, but this sounds like a good time. Count me in!

Let me know if you need help organizing/tracking it also.

Judi

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

12/11/2008 12:51:49 AM · #9

I'm in. But can I make a suggestion? Most people go away for the Xmas/New Year break...so how about start the knockouts with the challenges announced (not started voting) after 1 January?

yanko

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

12/11/2008 01:03:40 AM · #10

Originally posted by Judi:

I'm in. But can I make a suggestion? Most people go away for the Xmas/New Year break...so how about start the knockouts with the challenges announced (not started voting) after 1 January?

Yeah because you wouldn't want to start the new year with a black eye.

Judi

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

12/11/2008 01:04:26 AM · #11

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by Judi:
I'm in. But can I make a suggestion? Most people go away for the Xmas/New Year break...so how about start the knockouts with the challenges announced (not started voting) after 1 January?

Yeah because you wouldn't want to start the new year with a black eye.

Ahhhh bite me baby!

Sony DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Zoom Lens for Sony Alpha

12/11/2008 01:21:49 AM · #12

Originally posted by Judi:

I'm in. But can I make a suggestion? Most people go away for the Xmas/New Year break...so how about start the knockouts with the challenges announced (not started voting) after 1 January?

That's what I meant to say, but for some reason I wrote it down differently. Changed it now :-)

Sony DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Zoom Lens for Sony Alpha

12/11/2008 01:22:31 AM · #13

Originally posted by EBJones:

Let me know if you need help organizing/tracking it also.

Will do. Thanks :-)

mpeters

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

12/11/2008 01:26:50 AM · #14

I'm a glutton for punishment. :) Count me in.

ShutterPug

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

12/11/2008 01:55:00 AM · #15

I'm used to getting my arse kicked so go ahead and sign me up, maybe it'll get me shooting more.

Lonni

Nikon D700

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

12/11/2008 01:58:39 AM · #16

I'd like to join, but I think my only goal will be to survive the first round :)

basssman7

Nikon D500

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

12/11/2008 03:44:48 AM · #17

Sure, what the hell. i will give it a shot. :)

Thanks for organizing.

Sony DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Zoom Lens for Sony Alpha

12/11/2008 07:19:46 AM · #18

Bump for the lunchtime crowd. 11 so far.

PHOTOKID

12/11/2008 07:24:54 AM · #19

Sure, I will join... Probably wont make it to far... One question though, are we only counting points in open challenges? As if we included member challenges as well members have more a chance to advance than registered users.

Thanks for organizing this.
Rich

Sony DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Zoom Lens for Sony Alpha

12/11/2008 07:33:58 AM · #20

Originally posted by Hot_Pixel:

One question though, are we only counting points in open challenges? As if we included member challenges as well members have more a chance to advance than registered users.

It's only the challenges they're both in that count in the head-to-head so, if in a pair one is a member and the other is a registered user, then the members challenges won't count in the head to head as the registered user can't enter those. It's really only the open challenges that can count in matchups like that.

Admittedly, the tie-break rule I made says that, in the event of no-one getting to 2 points, the average of the challenges over the month counts. Admittedly, members will have the opportunity to have their average over a greater number of challenges than registered users.

I could modify that in that scenario to say that, in the event where a member is playing a registered user, the tie break will only be in the challenges they both had opportunity to enter. What about that?

PHOTOKID

12/11/2008 07:37:56 AM · #21

Originally posted by SoulMan1978:

Originally posted by Hot_Pixel:
One question though, are we only counting points in open challenges? As if we included member challenges as well members have more a chance to advance than registered users.

It's only the challenges they're both in that count in the head-to-head so, if in a pair one is a member and the other is a registered user, then the members challenges won't count in the head to head as the registered user can't enter those. It's really only the open challenges that can count in matchups like that.

Admittedly, the tie-break rule I made says that, in the event of no-one getting to 2 points, the average of the challenges over the month counts. Admittedly, members will have the opportunity to have their average over a greater number of challenges than registered users.

I could modify that in that scenario to say that, in the event where a member is playing a registered user, the tie break will only be in the challenges they both had opportunity to enter. What about that?

Sounds fair, thanks for the quick response.

incubus

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

12/11/2008 07:57:41 AM · #22

sign me up scotty!

dainmcgowan

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

12/11/2008 08:02:36 AM · #23

sign me up as well please!!
thank you!

i would suggest if you run it from the 7th of each month, that would tie in with getting the free study scores at the right time, and give the extra week after the holidays as well!

JaimeVinas

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV