Site Council change - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

12/09/2008 11:38:57 AM · #1

I suggest we put a "Site council of the people" in place to go along with the current set.

Here is how its done to keep some fresh blood infusion into the site council while keeping some old blood for some "stability" All current members will keep their seats as before until they either resign or are removed by Langdon.

Here is how I suggest we do it. We create 4 seats on the site council to have members nominated by the members, voted on by the members, they will serve 1 year terms and have a max. of two terms lifetime. Every 6 months two of the seats will be up for nomination and election, those members will be put in place for one year and can run again if nominated at the end of their term, if not they will be replaced by a new member and until nominated again can not be elected. They will not recieve any other "perks" as the current members do, you must pay your own membership and must maintain it while in "office"

I feel this is a needed change to add some new blood and opinions into the council to keep the site moving forward with some new members having input on things that are important to the members.

So what do you say members? Is this a needed change?

Matt

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

12/09/2008 11:46:08 AM · #2

Um... the current Site Council is "of the people"... regular rank-and-file members who volunteer(ed) to help out D&L. I don't really have a problem with setting "term limits" or some other way to add fresh people, but I don't think we need to create yet another class.

Spork99

Canon EOS M6 Mk II

Canon EF-M 22mm STM Lens

12/09/2008 11:46:34 AM · #3

Doesn't really matter what I say, it matters what Langdon says.

However, IMO, it's not "needed" and sounds confusing.

Basically, your idea would just be adding another layer of management, which is rarely a good thing.

Message edited by author 2008-12-09 11:47:39.

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

12/09/2008 11:48:10 AM · #4

Originally posted by scalvert:

The current site council was not brought about by the members. They were hand picked by members of the current SC and langdon. They were not voted on by the members who thought they had the ability to bring something to the site that is needed.

Matt

Notroubles

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

12/09/2008 11:48:14 AM · #5

How do you spell insurrection?

NikonJeb

Nikon D850

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

12/09/2008 11:53:19 AM · #6

I say we vote in Matt as Moderator of Rant to keep it civil and see how long it takes for him to resign.......8>)

The job of list admin/forum moderator/SC is not any bowl of cherries and generally involves having to make decisions that are unpopular, involves no pay, and is pretty much flat guaranteed to garner you insults and character assassination by the nature of the position.

Mistakes will be made, the human factor is always present, and not everyone will be happy with a decision.

That's life, and part of what the terms of service are is that you will abide by the decisions of the administration.

There are very few rules on this site, even less that really constrict free play.

I think that SC does a fine job, and the ones I know personally and that I have engaged with during questions and issues have always demonstrated the highest standard of courtesy and ethical behavior.

And are genuinely nice folks, too.

YMMV.......8>)

Dirt_Diver

Nikon D3s

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

12/09/2008 11:56:58 AM · #7

Originally posted by scalvert:

Is there a way we can get Langdon to set up a poll to see if the people of DPC would like new SC members?

I do like the time limit suggestion. Say what like 4 years in, goodbye?

glad2badad

DJI Mavic Air 2

Sears 55mm f/1.4 M42

12/09/2008 11:58:28 AM · #8

Here's how it was done last time (see the OP of each thread):
Open Site Council Positions
New Site Council Members

Seemed like a fair process. IMO the SC do a nice job in a quite frequently thankless position.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

12/09/2008 11:59:16 AM · #9

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

The job of list admin/forum moderator/SC is not any bowl of cherries and generally involves having to make decisions that are unpopular, involves no pay, and is pretty much flat guaranteed to garner you insults and character assassination by the nature of the position.

You're sugar coating it.

ErinKirsten

Nikon Z9

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 105mm f/1.4E ED

12/09/2008 11:59:49 AM · #10

I would agree that it is a thankless job and without doubt designed to have someone upset with you at one point or another. I would like to add that they are very helpful to newbies and their involvement on the threads is appreciated. I belong to another "community" the bickering is rampant and full of emotion and personal attacks in lieu of well thought perspectives. What I appreciate most (besides the challenges) is that people here express their opinion - disagree - state their view objectively and agree to disagree and get back to what they love - photography. I do disagree on this example - but I can see how it is a perverbial can of worms.

glad2badad

DJI Mavic Air 2

Sears 55mm f/1.4 M42

12/09/2008 12:00:29 PM · #11

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

I do like the time limit suggestion. Say what like 4 years in, goodbye?

Why? I think having people with experience of how DPChallenge started and has changed over the years is a good thing.

Spork99

Canon EOS M6 Mk II

Canon EF-M 22mm STM Lens

12/09/2008 12:05:11 PM · #12

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:
The job of list admin/forum moderator/SC is not any bowl of cherries and generally involves having to make decisions that are unpopular, involves no pay, and is pretty much flat guaranteed to garner you insults and character assassination by the nature of the position.

You're sugar coating it.

SC always omits any reference to the non-monetary compensation: the weekly massages, annual Carribean spa retreat, limousine service and free beer just to name a few.

NikonJeb

Nikon D850

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

12/09/2008 12:08:57 PM · #13

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by scalvert:

You're sugar coating it.

You owe me a keyboard!!!

TrollMan

Fujifilm X-T4

Fujifilm XF 35mm f/1.4

12/09/2008 12:13:23 PM · #14

I don't see any reason for change. The SC we have are IMO doing a great job. I.e. If it ain't broken, don't mess with it! :)

12/09/2008 12:28:48 PM · #15

I'm not saying the site council isnt doing a good job, or that its easy. I moderated a forum several years ago and know the time and headaches caused by it. However I do feel that changing things up now and then and getting some folks in with some new ideas and ways of looking at things is a good thing.

Matt

PS those of you that are PMing me.........please post here as well. :D

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

12/09/2008 12:46:46 PM · #16

Is these council member still active here?

[user]327[/user] Last time I see activity thats on her profile is 18 months ago

Matt

alanfreed

Nikon D6

12/09/2008 12:49:17 PM · #17

If you're referring to

Justine, she was online as recently as three hours ago, and participates regularly in SC discussions.

Originally posted by MattO:

Is these council member still active here?

[user]327[/user] Last time I see activity thats on her profile is 18 months ago

Matt

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

12/09/2008 01:13:31 PM · #18

Originally posted by MattO:

Is these council member still active here?

[user]327[/user] Last time I see activity thats on her profile is 18 months ago

Matt

The last entry she had was about 18 months ago. In addition ot the SC tasks, that alan pointed out, she also votes and comments quite regularly.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

12/09/2008 01:13:33 PM · #19

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:
The job of list admin/forum moderator/SC is not any bowl of cherries and generally involves having to make decisions that are unpopular, involves no pay, and is pretty much flat guaranteed to garner you insults and character assassination by the nature of the position.

You're sugar coating it.

SC always omits any reference to the non-monetary compensation: the weekly massages, annual Carribean spa retreat, limousine service and free beer just to name a few.

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bvy

Sigma DP1x

12/09/2008 01:16:23 PM · #20

What's the turnover rate of SC? Is there a fixed number of SC members? Who picks them? Do we have a consitution? Is this a democracy? Does any of it matter? At the end of the day, I'm just happy (surprised even) that we have people willing to volunteer their time and talents to put with the likes of us and keep the ship afloat...

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

12/09/2008 01:18:53 PM · #21

Originally posted by bvy:

Low. No. Langdon, in consultation with SC. Aka TOU. No. No. Yes.

Louis

Nikon D800

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.8D

12/09/2008 01:22:59 PM · #22

You've got an extra answer in there....

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

12/09/2008 01:26:58 PM · #23

Not by my count -- "aka TOU" is one answer.

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

12/09/2008 01:27:42 PM · #24

He's a yes man.

(I think the final yes is an agreement to bvy's final statement)