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11/30/2008 10:11:23 PM · #26
I used the GIMP for a while and it can do quite a few things, but the one thing that I found continually frustrating is that there was no easy way to get the size down for DPC challenges. So by the time you got a photo into a challenge the quality was really bad.
11/30/2008 10:22:31 PM · #27
Another PaintShop Pro user here. It does curves, layer masks and a lot of the other stuff that you said elements does not. So far I have encountered very little it can't do. I believe ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Melethia recently mentioned using a b/w adjustment layer on her dolls entry. I don't have that, though I can certainly accomplish the same a different way. I got my copy on sale for $40.

I have found most Photoshop techniques and tutorials can be applied to PSP without much trouble.

I got a good deal on a copy of CS2 a week ago. I bought a used G4 Mac Mini for my wife, and it came with licensed copies of CS2, Office for Mac and a 17" monitor for $450. Try keeping an eye on Craigs List, which is how I ran across that deal.

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11/30/2008 10:28:01 PM · #28
And anyone out there using Elements...there is a "curves" plug-in on the web for free.
11/30/2008 10:29:59 PM · #29
Originally posted by bergiekat:

And anyone out there using Elements...there is a "curves" plug-in on the web for free.


Are you talking about "smartcurve"? I tried it with PSP and it works well.
11/30/2008 10:31:38 PM · #30
I am on a mac. Last time I looked the plugin was only available on PC. I'm such a whiner, huh? :)
11/30/2008 10:38:03 PM · #31
Originally posted by Ken:

Originally posted by Lonni:

I'm pretty sure the college/educational license says that you can't use it for commercial purposes. I'd be just as good ripping it off.


That's a good point; I guess this is the one time I'm happy that I don't use it for commercial purposes.


Actually. . . I have the educational version and have read the fine print. Adobe educational store has a EULA online, and it specifies exactly which products cannot be use for commercial purposes. (All the stuff that used to be a Macromedia product.) Photoshop is not one of the products listed, so there should be no commercial restriction just because you have the educational version.

When you stop qualifying for the educational version, do you have to stop using it? This one, I can't answer. . .
11/30/2008 10:45:44 PM · #32
Originally posted by Lonni:

I am on a mac. Last time I looked the plugin was only available on PC. I'm such a whiner, huh? :)


Well, that rules out PaintShop Pro, which is only made for Windoze. I think PS Elements is a good option for you.
11/30/2008 10:49:28 PM · #33
if you are using it for commeracial purposes it is a capital expence & you should beable to deduct it .. (not that i make a profit but it makes alot of things even out .. )
11/30/2008 10:56:50 PM · #34
Originally posted by EBJones:

When you stop qualifying for the educational version, do you have to stop using it? This one, I can't answer. . .


Nope, of course not. And when you follow the upgrade path you end up with a full-licensed version anyway, soon enough.

R.
11/30/2008 11:02:58 PM · #35
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by EBJones:

When you stop qualifying for the educational version, do you have to stop using it? This one, I can't answer. . .


Nope, of course not. And when you follow the upgrade path you end up with a full-licensed version anyway, soon enough.

R.


I know that Microsoft educational versions used to state that you had one year after you graduated to stop using it, although I'm not sure about Adobe.
11/30/2008 11:03:41 PM · #36
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by EBJones:

When you stop qualifying for the educational version, do you have to stop using it? This one, I can't answer. . .


Nope, of course not. And when you follow the upgrade path you end up with a full-licensed version anyway, soon enough.

R.


I'd certainly echo this. It seems ridiculous to kowtow to Adobe's demands for $699 if you can get it as a student knowing you hope to one day make money with it. Officially a breach of contract? Perhaps. Something Adobe is ever going to come after? Unlikely. Illegal? Breach of contract is not criminally illegal. Immoral? Gray at best and worst. $699 is pretty immoral in my eyes as well. ;)
11/30/2008 11:06:54 PM · #37
Originally posted by yospiff:

<snip> I got a good deal on a copy of CS2 a week ago. I bought a used G4 Mac Mini for my wife, and it came with licensed copies of CS2, Office for Mac and a 17" monitor for $450. Try keeping an eye on Craigs List, which is how I ran across that deal.


Did they transfer the license to you? If not, it doesn't count.
11/30/2008 11:06:57 PM · #38
i have it pretty easy. ive learned that when you make friends in high places(or ones who own photoshop) and they upgarde, they sometimes give you their old copy of photoshop:D thats how i got cs3, from my dear friend Bret Bouda
11/30/2008 11:10:32 PM · #39
Originally posted by JDubsgirl:

i have it pretty easy. ive learned that when you make friends in high places(or ones who own photoshop) and they upgarde, they sometimes give you their old copy of photoshop:D thats how i got cs3, from my dear friend Bret Bouda


When someone else upgrades, they are only upgrading, not buying another user license. so, your used copy is technically another pirate. It's about buying the license the first time you purchase it, after that the upgrades just purchase the work that goes into the upgrade. So be careful with it.
11/30/2008 11:14:02 PM · #40
I looked into the educational license, and here's what I found on the Adobe site:

NO LONGER A STUDENT?

An important note about upgrading your software: Your personal investment in Adobe products may continue to be valuable, even if you no longer meet the qualifications for Adobe education pricing. Contact the online Adobe Store or your local reseller for information about upgrades to commercial versions of your products.


So sounds like you would need to upgrade if you no longer meet the educational qualifications. Might be cheaper than a full license though.

11/30/2008 11:16:04 PM · #41
Originally posted by StOlafPhotographer:

Not to gloat,
but I'm pretty lucky cause my uncle works for Adobe and I think I got both lightroom and CS3 for under 200.


I'm in a similar situation, although they give it to me as a gift. :)

After using it though, I would gladly fork over $700 for it.

11/30/2008 11:22:35 PM · #42
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

The GIMP has nearly all the features of photoshop and is open-source freeware...

ETA: I've been upgrading through editions of PS since version 2.0, so it's not taking a huge chunk of change each time. I don't do them all, though; I'm still on CS3, for example.

R.


The Gimp rules!!!

I am into medical imaging research. And if you can believe it, Gimp is my favorite SW for fast image viewing/debugging when we are away from our workstations. Like someone described before, Gimp is like a Honda. While PS may be like a BMW. Both do their jobs. If you dont mind spending a bit more time and are patient, nothing beats Gimp. It does have its limitations (like only 8 bit processing for most), but it comes from an opensource community. I love it... for its cost (wihich is zero), and its motive: a free and shared resource for the community.
11/30/2008 11:22:41 PM · #43
I bought the full version of Photoshop CS3 through Dell. Don't remember the exact price but I think it was less than $700.
11/30/2008 11:28:11 PM · #44
OK, just finished reading the EULA for Photoshop CS4. If you qualify as a student, that is you MUST be one of the following categories:

-Students enrolled in grades K-12 at an accredited public or private primary or secondary school providing full-time instruction
-Full or part time students enrolled at higher education institutions defined as accredited public or private university or college (including community, junior or vocational college) that grants degrees requiring not less than the equivalent of two (2) years of full-time study
-Full or part time faculty and staff employed by accredited K-12 and higher education institutions.
-Other qualified examples as listed by Adobe from time to time on its Internet website or in other written communication.

Then you can use the software (with no exclusions on commercial use that I can see) while you still fall into one of the above categories. If someone else in your household falls into one of these categories, then they could use the software, but you could not.

It is quite clear from the EULA that as soon as you no longer fall into the categories, then you would need to purchase an upgrade, or cease using Photoshop.
11/30/2008 11:36:20 PM · #45
I personally find it funny sometimes when people talk/rant/complain/whine about the prices of software, when I first got in to 3D graphics in 1995 I bought 2 seats of 3dsmax for, now you sitting down? $11,000CDN and since then has been a yearly bill of about $1000 to $1200 to stay on their subscription program. And that's just a small part of what I need for my business, Im not going to list all the software I use but trust me when I say its a lot and all licensed to me, but it was all bought on an as needed basis as my business grew. And unlike the Co I currently work for, I dont care if the software is $5.00 or $5,000.00 I research the sh!t out of it and make sure its right for what I need it to do, lots of trial and demo software...

The sad reality is it costs quite a bit to stay legit but unfortunately there's not a lot you can do about it. Also I haven't heard any public notices about Adobe going after pirates but Autodesk used to sent out a notice every once in a while about the thousands to hundreds of thousands they were suing people and companies for pirating their software...

12/01/2008 12:37:11 AM · #46
I was taking an unrelated class at the uni, bought the entire Creative Suite for $300 or so and went from there. Upgrades from the Academic license to a Professional license cost the same as upgrading from any other license.
12/01/2008 12:47:05 AM · #47
Originally posted by Lonni:

OK, just finished reading the EULA for Photoshop CS4. If you qualify as a student, that is you MUST be one of the following categories:

-Students enrolled in grades K-12 at an accredited public or private primary or secondary school providing full-time instruction
-Full or part time students enrolled at higher education institutions defined as accredited public or private university or college (including community, junior or vocational college) that grants degrees requiring not less than the equivalent of two (2) years of full-time study
-Full or part time faculty and staff employed by accredited K-12 and higher education institutions.
-Other qualified examples as listed by Adobe from time to time on its Internet website or in other written communication.

Then you can use the software (with no exclusions on commercial use that I can see) while you still fall into one of the above categories. If someone else in your household falls into one of these categories, then they could use the software, but you could not.

It is quite clear from the EULA that as soon as you no longer fall into the categories, then you would need to purchase an upgrade, or cease using Photoshop.


Having the child in K-12 sure works for me. I'll be set for the next 12 years!


12/01/2008 12:51:02 AM · #48
Originally posted by Ken:

Having the child in K-12 sure works for me. I'll be set for the next 12 years!


Actually, no. The license is for an individual, not a machine. You can't legally use your first-grader's copy of Photoshop.

R.
12/01/2008 01:39:41 AM · #49
I have CS3 and I had to save for it because I refused to charge it and refused to cheat (even using my girls in college to get it). It took longer than expected but in the end it was all worth it, I paid for it in full and now only need to come up with upgrade money when I feel it is time for that. I do not foresee upgrading to CS4 for awhile.

Message edited by author 2008-12-01 01:39:51.
12/01/2008 01:43:17 AM · #50
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Ken:

Having the child in K-12 sure works for me. I'll be set for the next 12 years!


Actually, no. The license is for an individual, not a machine. You can't legally use your first-grader's copy of Photoshop.

R.


I reread it and you are correct. That really blows. My two kids and wife are eligible but I am not. I think it's time to take some classes again so I can do the upgrade to CS4 for myself, and I've been itchin' to take some anyway.



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