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11/15/2008 02:33:31 PM · #101
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Night Sentinel by ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' aguapreta

Its a creative idea and nice composition. Im under the impression the silhouetted tree is the subject. Although the stars tend to grab the eyes attention away quite a bit. Perhaps a longer exposure (minutes if possible, with a ND filter) then as mentioned by others, this might have given the stars longer trails as well as given the sky that nice purple you get from a long exp. Then the tree, bottom 1/3 and second tree to the right would have stood out quite a bit more.

I also agree with the others about the darkness of the image. I am attracted to the wonderful design of the branches, but I loose sight of them in all the blackness.

The top of the tree seems like it would be hard to achieve without widening the frame and possibly bringing in other items to the image. Im curious as to why it was cropped. Also, a vert. shot/crop might be interesting as it could take out the second tree, focusing the view more on the center tree.

' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' mchalmers, I dont know that I personally would have lit the tree as this would change the entire image. I think the main tree is mean to be a softer subject and making it bold take the silhourtte out of the image completely. Im good with the silhouette, the image just needed a longer exposure to emphasis the details of the image more.

' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' pixelpig I agree with you about monitor differences. I think that on more than one occasion I have suffered from my monitor being calibrated and the voters display not. we all just need to calibrate! =^) Also, I would think there needs to be much more emphasis on the star trails for that to be the subject. Interesting observation youve made here.

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11/16/2008 09:22:09 PM · #102
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I gave this a 6. That's a high score for a landscape from me. That's because landscapes rarely hold interest for me. They usually fit so neatly into their genre, and by definition there's no human element to add to it. The reason I gave this a 6 is because it looks upside-down. The clouds are bearing down on the sun, and the fog is so thick it looks like clouds. The trees don't quite fit what the mind is expecting, creating a surprising friction in the brain. The world is neatly divided between land and sky, as in so many landscapes, but this just adds to the disorientation.
11/16/2008 10:30:10 PM · #103
We have a forum area already dedicated to discussion on Individual Photographs. For continuity, it is probably best to have each image in it's own thread. For the moment, don't worry about the number of threads generated as that forum area is specifically for the purposes you describe, the only difference is that there appears to be a group of people dedicated to responding to it! :) There is no requirement that the request for discussion be generated by the photographer who prepared the image.

One way to go would be to preface the thread title with "Title of Photograph by Photographer" (or some other consistent manner) to signal that these threads are related to your group project, although it's not necessary as discussion is the exact purpose of the forum area.

Another way to go would be that once the images for discussion are chosen and threads started -- to then link back to them in this thread to alert group members that these are the images chosen for the group to discuss. Also, group members can utilize the Thread Options - E-mail Replies to be alerted when new images are chosen.

Melethia makes a good point - once an image is entered in a challenge it's probably not necessary to request permission from the photographer for additional discussion. With regard to portfolio images, it's also fair game but the group runs the risk that photographer will remove the photo at some point in the future thus rendering the discussion thread useless a few months or years from now. Challenge images are maintained by DPC forever to preserve challenge integrity, so they are "safe" with regard to broken image links. The group leader might wish to make a comment on the image in question that it's being discussed in depth with a link to the discussion thread, but it's not necessary.

Good luck - I'm sure it will be a very valuable and rewarding project to follow!

L2
11/16/2008 10:51:27 PM · #104
Originally posted by Hot_Pixel:

Please be patient as we work out the bugs of the group, I have sent a pm to langdon and requested a forum for us to be able to place a individual thread up for each photo that we are discussing as well as have a place that we can go to to find the information on the photos we will be discussing.

This has been meant to work as a colibrative in depth analysis of the photos selected, if people have suggestions on how we can runs this better please feel free to speak up. From what I am reading, most want to got back to the origional idea of the top 3 photos, is this correct?

Good job with the analysis I have seen thus far, lets hope we can keep it up.


Yes, I would agree with the top three photos. I was looking forward to the discussion of "why" an image was successful.
11/17/2008 10:09:14 AM · #105
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I'm glad you centered it. There's a disturbing trend at DPC to put subjects off-center against blank backgrounds. By doing so, you make emptiness part of the composition. One should only do this if the subject is somehow interacting with emptiness, which is rarely the case.

Most of the pleasure of this image comes from thinking, "wow, that must have been hard to do." After all, the frog is perfectly positioned, the details are good and sharp except for the back tire area. This sort of technical expertise is good enough for 5.9 and in general competes well in a challenge, when people are thinking in terms of effort. Outside of a challenge, however, people will be wanting more. They'll wonder why there's no background to complete the illusion of frog on a motorcycle. They might even start thinking about why a frog would ride a motorcycle, or how a frog might feel while riding a motorcycle. A background could go a long way toward giving viewers something to think about.
11/17/2008 11:03:02 AM · #106
Originally posted by Hot_Pixel:

Please be patient as we work out the bugs of the group, I have sent a pm to langdon and requested a forum for us to be able to place a individual thread up for each photo that we are discussing as well as have a place that we can go to to find the information on the photos we will be discussing.

This has been meant to work as a colibrative in depth analysis of the photos selected, if people have suggestions on how we can runs this better please feel free to speak up. From what I am reading, most want to got back to the origional idea of the top 3 photos, is this correct?

Good job with the analysis I have seen thus far, lets hope we can keep it up.


Top 3? No.

3 images, one from the top third, one from the middle third and one from the bottom third I think would be the most beneficial. I think it would help in determining why the image ended up where it did.
11/18/2008 02:50:02 PM · #107
I agree, I would like to discuss qualitites that a middle-ground photo had as well as one from the top and one earnest attempt that finished toward the end. Not top three.
11/18/2008 03:49:42 PM · #108
Ok! So can we pick 3, start a thread for each in the Individual Photographs discussion area, index them here, and get started? Were kinda all over the place right now. Hot Pixel has some great ideas, now we just need to hone them in.

So Hot Pixel, are we gonna do 3 from the 10 random, 1 high - 1 midlle - 1 low scoring, or top 3? Personally I vote for the middle, high, and low for some diversity, but then who picks um? Maybe we can pick middle, high, and low from the 10 random. But can we make a call?
11/18/2008 03:55:55 PM · #109
Originally posted by onesaint:

Ok! So can we pick 3, start a thread for each in the Individual Photographs discussion area, index them here, and get started? Were kinda all over the place right now. Hot Pixel has some great ideas, now we just need to hone them in.

So Hot Pixel, are we gonna do 3 from the 10 random, 1 high - 1 midlle - 1 low scoring, or top 3? Personally I vote for the middle, high, and low for some diversity, but then who picks um? Maybe we can pick middle, high, and low from the 10 random. But can we make a call?


Does this mean I get final call? I can also run a random number for the upper 1/3, middle 1/3 and lower 1/3 to get the images if you would like. If we can pick one of the challenges that is ending tonight or the member challenge that already has completed I will create the threads in the morning after selecting the images and I will link the thumbnail and the thread to this thread to keep everyone on the same page, does this make sense?


11/18/2008 04:16:55 PM · #110
Originally posted by Hot_Pixel:

Originally posted by onesaint:

Ok! So can we pick 3, start a thread for each in the Individual Photographs discussion area, index them here, and get started? Were kinda all over the place right now. Hot Pixel has some great ideas, now we just need to hone them in.

So Hot Pixel, are we gonna do 3 from the 10 random, 1 high - 1 midlle - 1 low scoring, or top 3? Personally I vote for the middle, high, and low for some diversity, but then who picks um? Maybe we can pick middle, high, and low from the 10 random. But can we make a call?


Does this mean I get final call? I can also run a random number for the upper 1/3, middle 1/3 and lower 1/3 to get the images if you would like. If we can pick one of the challenges that is ending tonight or the member challenge that already has completed I will create the threads in the morning after selecting the images and I will link the thumbnail and the thread to this thread to keep everyone on the same page, does this make sense?


Thanks for the fast reply and great work! It makes sense to me at any rate. to spell it out:

** this thread will be the index thread and it will have links to the discussion threads each week.
** 3 random images will be chosen, 1 high scoring, 1 middle scoring, and 1 low scoring

either you get the final call as the OP and its mostly your idea, or we take a vote on which images to choose, but lets get a move on!

If we vote, the options are
1. we pick 3 "interesting" images we all agree on. Personally Im not sure how we would do this.
2. We get the 3 random images, high, middle, low.
3. We select 3 from the 10 random images
4. we always get the top 3 images

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11/18/2008 04:18:44 PM · #111
I've been trying to figure it out, and am having a hard time following what's going on, maybe I'm just slow.
11/18/2008 05:00:33 PM · #112
Running the random number generator for the top, middle and bottom I think is the easiest and fastest way to get three images.
11/18/2008 07:47:44 PM · #113
Basically I was saying I was in favor of what you have listed as choice #2. Thanks =)
11/18/2008 10:49:39 PM · #114
My vote is we stop voting: I recommend that ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Hot_Pixel pick whichever images, and however many, he chooses from any challenge based on whatever he criteria he deems appropriate: random one time, deliberate selection another, whatever suits him as the Originator. We can all comment on the selections (or not) as we wish.

Random might get dull sometimes, and in some challenges there may be two images that he deems worthy of contrast and compare discussions, so then he can forego the random choice.

Corollary thought: if each time we come to the thread the discussion is still about the image selection method, we will start losing folks, I think.
11/18/2008 11:14:35 PM · #115
Originally posted by chromeydome:

My vote is we stop voting: I recommend that ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Hot_Pixel pick whichever images, and however many, he chooses from any challenge based on whatever he criteria he deems appropriate: random one time, deliberate selection another, whatever suits him as the Originator. We can all comment on the selections (or not) as we wish.

Random might get dull sometimes, and in some challenges there may be two images that he deems worthy of contrast and compare discussions, so then he can forego the random choice.

Corollary thought: if each time we come to the thread the discussion is still about the image selection method, we will start losing folks, I think.


I agree! Thats why I refer to his discretion. Im just attempting to help get the show on the road!
11/18/2008 11:23:21 PM · #116
Originally posted by onesaint:


I agree! Thats why I refer to his discretion. Im just attempting to help get the show on the road!


My thought was not aimed at you, sir--I hope you know that. Just a general comment--10 days and 5 pages of thread later... :-)
11/18/2008 11:48:36 PM · #117
Originally posted by chromeydome:

Originally posted by onesaint:


I agree! Thats why I refer to his discretion. Im just attempting to help get the show on the road!


My thought was not aimed at you, sir--I hope you know that. Just a general comment--10 days and 5 pages of thread later... :-)


Sorry, I initiated the vote thing. I figure we have a great idea from ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Hot_Pixel and just cant seem to work it out. Hot_Pixel seems fine with group input, so I figured it was either his call or we vote. Frankly, I just dont give a darn (short stop) and would like to see this come to fruition (not directed at anyone).

But, I appreciate the clarity, ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' chromeydome. Thanks!
11/18/2008 11:55:38 PM · #118
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This landscape fared well in the Free Study it was entered in. It contains variegate strata of land forms and elements, all layered horizontally across the image. The near-silhouetted bluff from which it was photographed provides a good base for the shot, but it equally impacts the whole image with the balance (or imbalance) this band of blocked shadows creates.

The most prominent of these shapes is positioned in the left fifth of the broad vista, via a crown cutting into an expansive swath of fog buoying beneath it. It points toward the sun rising above a distant ridge, but obstructing her rays and the spectacular effects these evidently create on the fog.

In addition to boasting multiple fields of vista and light, each one differs from the next, not by substance but in degrees of size and luminescence. This, no doubt, is the charm of this scape, yet it also presents a complexity which, IMO, would greatly benefit from ordering it, either in camera via perspective or through post processing.

The given composition and perhaps the uniform exposure, to my sense, is problematic: the contrast of the blocked shadows in the immediate foreground vs. the delicate gauze swathing just beneath and beyond is stark enough to prompt anyone to overlook the detail; the sky, despite its glorious gradation, is vacant of any discernible detail, yet it has been allotted more than a third of the image. This choice, of course, also has the horizon approaching the centre line.

I believe, with the horizon higher in the image, the fog would appear more animated, the shot would be more dynamic and the transport should be greater.

The generous score for this shot, it is my guess, is due primarily to timing and location. As is often the case in this environment, the majority of voters rewarded the subject.

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11/19/2008 12:13:31 AM · #119
Originally posted by onesaint:



Sorry, I initiated the vote thing. I figure we have a great idea from ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Hot_Pixel and just cant seem to work it out. Hot_Pixel seems fine with group input, so I figured it was either his call or we vote. Frankly, I just dont give a darn (short stop) and would like to see this come to fruition (not directed at anyone).

But, I appreciate the clarity, ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' chromeydome. Thanks!


No need to apologize about the vote concept--it was a valiant attempt at gaining traction. If it works, I am all for it. I literally was not reacting to your vote proposal at all, just page on page of top 3, random 3, just one not three, etc.
11/19/2008 06:29:44 AM · #120
Ok, I am finalizing this thread once and for all and we will get it started the right way.

We will pick 3 images to discuss, one from the top 1/3 of the pack, one from the middle 1/3 of the pack, and one from the bottom 1/3 of the pack. These images will be chosen at random by me. We will choose the ending challenge that had the most entries for that week giving us the most options for discussion. If a free study is to end voting in that week it will automatically be directed to it.

On Wednesday's, I will post into this thread the 3 photos for discussion for the week, and start a new discussion for each of them in the individual photo forum, and will post a link on to their respective thread from here so people can keep watch of this thread and we will have the history of this thread on file. We will also use the individual thread to promote learning, questions, and interaction amongst the group without getting off focus of the particular photo at hand.

Any other issues we will take up as we run into them along the way.

This is the best colabortaion of the ideas and comments in this thread, and I feel is the best way to run this thread. You guys are both right, if we keep trying to figure out how it will work, there will be no one to participate in the thread once we do.
11/19/2008 06:50:42 AM · #121
This weeks Challenge Discussion Images are from Red III

At 14th Place: Keep Falling In Love...
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At 84th Place: New Boots
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At 157th Place: Fruits of the Forest
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11/19/2008 01:31:25 PM · #122
Awesome ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Hot_Pixel Thanks for putting it together!
11/19/2008 05:26:06 PM · #123
So it seems a reasonable question based on the range of comments received. Is the point to talk about the picture under discussion, or is the point to talk about a different picture that you imagine you'd take if faced with some of the same elements and subject matter.

Those are quite different things to talk about. Is the picture the thing under discussion, or is it how it should be changed? You can come at it with the assumption that the photographer knew what they were doing and thus the picture is how they meant it to be - accept that and then look at what they did. Or you can view photographs with the idea that they are all flawed and don't reflect your vision and then go on to explain how to fix it or retake it the way you'd do it.


11/19/2008 09:47:54 PM · #124
Originally posted by onesaint:

Awesome ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Hot_Pixel Thanks for putting it together!


What He said!!! Cooolio.... Thanks for your efforts, sir!
11/19/2008 10:02:17 PM · #125
Originally posted by chromeydome:

Originally posted by onesaint:

Awesome ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Hot_Pixel Thanks for putting it together!


What He said!!! Cooolio.... Thanks for your efforts, sir!


Your all very welcome, now please go and post to those threads and make me feel that this effort is worth it :)
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