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10/26/2008 04:12:54 PM · #51 |
| Huh? I just saw your samples. I think you overreacted. Those are all fine. I don't even think they'll notice your "noise". |
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10/26/2008 04:17:00 PM · #52 |
I kinda like a little noise in some situations
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10/26/2008 04:17:34 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by MattO:
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This is a quick edit of the photo you sent me. Not the one I was looking at. I wanted the last one you posted. But I'll send you back a color and BW of this via e-mail, you can look at. A simple single click adjustments and I dont really see an issue with the one you sent. I'd really like to see the last one that you posted with all the noise.
Matt |
I think this is great but could use a tighter crop to more focus on the bride and groom IMO.
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10/26/2008 04:21:25 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by MattO:
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This is a quick edit of the photo you sent me. Not the one I was looking at. I wanted the last one you posted. But I'll send you back a color and BW of this via e-mail, you can look at. A simple single click adjustments and I dont really see an issue with the one you sent. I'd really like to see the last one that you posted with all the noise.
Matt |
Originally posted by alans_world:
Quick edit? Damn go to show how little I know, this looks GOOD.. |
Very nice, Matt.....I'm sure this is exactly the kind of help and guidance that  electrolost was looking for in his plea for help.
Now if you'll just send him your magic wand for a day or so of editing, he'll be good to go! LOL!!!
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10/26/2008 04:23:21 PM · #55 |
| Since most wedding photographers charge $5,000 + for a wedding, for $50 he got a bargain! |
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10/26/2008 04:24:13 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
I kinda like a little noise in some situations
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That's a REALLY nice edit!
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10/26/2008 04:33:19 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
I kinda like a little noise in some situations
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That's a REALLY nice edit! |
It sure is. And I bet there are plenty others that with a bit of work will be just fine.
My problem is not with the photog., but with those that say he only paid for $50 pictures and should be happy with crap. You who charge 5k but agree to $50 for a neighbor would only bring a Brownee? |
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10/26/2008 04:50:13 PM · #58 |
IMO, if you make an agreement you do your best. Period. Mistakes happen and you'd hope a friend would understand that, but you still do what you can to fix the mistake, payment or not.
If the neighbour had asked if you could drive his father to a doctor's appointment and he'd give you $5 for gas, would you feel it was okay to pick the father up half an late so you could watch the end of a movie, justifying it that they weren't paying taxi rates so you didn't have to give taxi-quality service?
Regarding the pictures; as others have said, they're not that bad that a regular viewer would be terribly upset. We're just conditioned to be technically uber-picky. I'm sure they'll be thrilled to have what you can give them, and I know you'll do what you can to give them the best you can, under the circumstances :) |
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10/26/2008 05:03:10 PM · #59 |
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10/26/2008 05:29:04 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by Greetmir:
Originally posted by MattO:
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This is a quick edit of the photo you sent me. Not the one I was looking at. I wanted the last one you posted. But I'll send you back a color and BW of this via e-mail, you can look at. A simple single click adjustments and I dont really see an issue with the one you sent. I'd really like to see the last one that you posted with all the noise.
Matt |
I think this is great but could use a tighter crop to more focus on the bride and groom IMO. |
Thats how it was shot. I did a quick edit of it, and sent him the two full rez files back to him in color and B&W conversion. I'm sure he can crop how he sees fit. I wanted to see what he had to work with, and I certainly think the one he sent me, and probably many others would be good candidates to be fixed. Although I didnt realize the Nikon camera he shot with was such low resolution, so I'm not sure how much he can crop and get away with.
Matt
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10/26/2008 05:30:41 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I really don't think there's any photographer, or anything on the planet that's good enough to justify just plain thoughtlessness and meanness. Yet that doesn't seem to stop some.
There are a lot of really terrific and helpful people here that will quietly help, be a BIG help, and really outshine the nastiness in their own good and decent way.....you've already met Jojo and Matt......they're terrific. Mary's another gem.
They're worth slogging through the less helpful and insensitive ones. |
There will be plenty here that would leave me off that list, I'm sure. But thanks for the kind words.
Matt
Edit to add a quick edit of one of the other photos. I'm sure with the original it could be better. But I think its easily a salvageble photo. [thumb]733692[/thumb] Here is one from the NEF file he sent. There is certainly alot to be done. If I was closer and had some time I'd offer to run some of these for you. Unfortunately I'm not. [thumb]733741[/thumb]
Message edited by author 2008-10-26 18:58:18.
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10/26/2008 06:44:15 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by dassilem:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by dassilem:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Photomom1981:
....I don't think the neighbor "hired" the OP, I think it was a "hey you take pics, Ill pay you 50 to help me on this" so yeah the neighbor probably expected somewhat decent pictures, |
Well said.
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ditto....
bottom line a neighbor accepted $50.00 to shoot a wedding. and is upset with his results....I'm amazed that so many of you are saying ' you only got $50.00 so move on and forget about it'....i'd hate to have you shoot my wedding....
please do post some examples, so someone can help rather than argue about it! |
If I shot your wedding, I wouldn't be doing it for $50. |
I guess what I am saying is, is this the attitude? if the price isn't 'right' then don't worry if you are not happy with the job that you did as it didn't deserve better anyways? |
No, I'm saying that if you offered me $50 to shoot your wedding, I'd tell you to come back when you have a better idea of what that job is worth.
In this instance, how much did the client value the photography? For $50, they're basically saying "I don't think your work is worth a damn"
What would you expect for $50? Dennis Reggie or David Jay?
They deserve what they pay for.
If some guy sells you a watch on the street, do you really think you're getting a genuine Rolex?
Message edited by author 2008-10-26 18:47:56. |
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10/26/2008 06:58:06 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I really don't think there's any photographer, or anything on the planet that's good enough to justify just plain thoughtlessness and meanness. Yet that doesn't seem to stop some.
There are a lot of really terrific and helpful people here that will quietly help, be a BIG help, and really outshine the nastiness in their own good and decent way.....you've already met Jojo and Matt......they're terrific. Mary's another gem. |
This is DPC in a nutshell. You don't like what I wrote, so I'm on the list of unhelpful jerks. Last fall when I helped you with your calendar shots, I was a such a swell guy. A month ago MattO was the forum demon for speaking honestly. Today he's good and decent.
Any deviance from smiling, ego stroking commentary puts a person in the fast lane to outcast land. Funny stuff.
Back on topic. The shots don't look that bad to me, so looks like you were stressing about nothing, OP. Glad it worked out. |
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10/26/2008 07:48:35 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by violinist123:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I really don't think there's any photographer, or anything on the planet that's good enough to justify just plain thoughtlessness and meanness. Yet that doesn't seem to stop some.
There are a lot of really terrific and helpful people here that will quietly help, be a BIG help, and really outshine the nastiness in their own good and decent way.....you've already met Jojo and Matt......they're terrific. Mary's another gem. |
This is DPC in a nutshell. You don't like what I wrote, so I'm on the list of unhelpful jerks. Last fall when I helped you with your calendar shots, I was a such a swell guy. A month ago MattO was the forum demon for speaking honestly. Today he's good and decent.
Any deviance from smiling, ego stroking commentary puts a person in the fast lane to outcast land. Funny stuff.
Back on topic. The shots don't look that bad to me, so looks like you were stressing about nothing, OP. Glad it worked out. |
Give me a week or less and I'm sure I'll be back on my normal list. I have had a somewhat slow weekend and getting to spend alot of time with my family gives me that feel good do good feeling that makes me more relaxed and can put my thoughts into a more pleasant tone. Usually I'm pretty rushed and just put my thoughts down without much thought to how I come across or who I am speaking too. So I'll join you soon enough. LOL
Matt
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10/26/2008 08:22:27 PM · #65 |
| wow this thread has gotten out of control I was just asking some advice. I wasn't expecting a debate on proper manners. In my book you should always speak your mind when it comes to art. As a artist the best thing you can receive is honest criticism good or bad. If you can take the time to leave a comment that is good enough for me. As far as I am concerned nobody was out of line on this thread so lets stop arguing. |
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10/26/2008 09:10:06 PM · #66 |
They're nowhere near as bad as I was expecting!
Print them small, make some sort of album with each picture mounted to to a few colours to creat5e a border, it will look so nice that the ISO issue won't actually be an issue, |
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10/26/2008 09:20:16 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by electrolost:
wow this thread has gotten out of control I was just asking some advice. I wasn't expecting a debate on proper manners. In my book you should always speak your mind when it comes to art. As a artist the best thing you can receive is honest criticism good or bad. If you can take the time to leave a comment that is good enough for me. As far as I am concerned nobody was out of line on this thread so lets stop arguing. |
Well said. |
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10/26/2008 10:16:31 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by Photomom1981:
Wow guys, why is it anytime a "newbie" not a "pro" tries something new or ventures out, makes a mistake or has a question on here to ask some of the pros, the forum always ends up in SOMEONE arguing.
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I'm just saying the person came here to get some advice and then you have several comments from "pro's" that in a newbie's eyes like me, and the OP from what I gather, kind of discourge the person from asking for help again, and even to some extent discouraging someone from trying to help a person out with pictures again, IE- a neighbor, a friend.
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The OP was paid. That makes them a professional in the eyes of the law, and probably the guy that paid the money. The story won't be 'a guy did me a favor and i got no pics' - it will be 'I paid Joe to shoot my wedding and he f'd it up'. Refunding the money won't change that at all. There are no re-dos on weddings. One should not shoot a wedding for money if they're not ready and capable. Making a 'mistake' and shooting it at 1600 is proof they were not capable/ready for this.
Originally posted by Photomom1981:
I don't think the neighbor "hired" the OP, I think it was a "hey you take pics, Ill pay you 50 to help me on this" so yeah the neighbor probably expected somewhat decent pictures,
yes were aware that people get paid 5,000 for weddings, so what. you went to school, or learned from others to get there.
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What was originally a fun thing from the OP's perspective has turned into a stressful nightmare. Wedding photography is fun, isn't it! LOL
Originally posted by Photomom1981:
you need to remember that each person on here weather new or an oldy.. (is that a word??) had to start somewhere go back and look at the first wedding you did years ago, or the first kids you shot years or moths ago and look at you now, you have to start somewhere to learn. |
Before the mind's eye can see and capture the picture you need to be able to operate the camera in an innate way. If you're busy fiddling about the moment will be gone. If you can't tell your aperture from your ISO and don't have a clue what 24mm vs 200mm will look like then you shouldn't be charging for your work.
That of course then begs the question "When is a person ready to charge for a wedding?" Charging less doesn't count - you pay less for coffee at McDonalds than at Starbucks, so if it tasted like piss would that be ok? Of course not.
There are certain expectations a buyer of a service has, and you can explain that your new and they should be prepared to get nothing - but if that is your opinion of your work then I don't think you're ready to be asking for money!
Message edited by author 2008-10-26 22:17:12.
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10/26/2008 10:23:38 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
harshness |
Oh man, you're on the list for sure... |
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10/26/2008 10:25:00 PM · #70 |
The photos shown are great. I would go even farther to bet that they'll think you added a filter to last one.
Quit fretting. They will love them. Just wait a few weeks and present them and they will think they are great. |
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10/26/2008 10:39:14 PM · #71 |
| Do the best that you can with what you have, that is all you can do. You will get lots of help on here to help you sort your problem. |
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10/26/2008 11:24:55 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Before the mind's eye can see and capture the picture you need to be able to operate the camera in an innate way. If you're busy fiddling about the moment will be gone. If you can't tell your aperture from your ISO and don't have a clue what 24mm vs 200mm will look like then you shouldn't be charging for your work.
That of course then begs the question "When is a person ready to charge for a wedding?" Charging less doesn't count - you pay less for coffee at McDonalds than at Starbucks, so if it tasted like piss would that be ok? Of course not.
There are certain expectations a buyer of a service has, and you can explain that your new and they should be prepared to get nothing - but if that is your opinion of your work then I don't think you're ready to be asking for money! |
You really should go back and read what i wrote earlier.. it applies starts with "wow" :) |
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10/26/2008 11:39:02 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by dd1989:
They're nowhere near as bad as I was expecting!
Print them small, make some sort of album with each picture mounted to to a few colours to creat5e a border, it will look so nice that the ISO issue won't actually be an issue, |
I'd agree, print them 6x4 and make the whole thing look presentable, create a pretty homemade wedding album; a nice touch like that will be touching and if they do notice the photo noise, they might not mind so much!
Message edited by author 2008-10-26 23:39:24.
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10/26/2008 11:42:53 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by violinist123:
This is DPC in a nutshell. You don't like what I wrote, so I'm on the list of unhelpful jerks. |
Let's see.......someone asked for help, you told him to tell the guy tough nuts.....
I offered an opinion to the OP that possibly what seems like unsalvageable might benefit from a different perspective and you tell me my image is a mistake and I shouldn't try to save it......you think I'm gonna think of you as my bestest pal when you take a shot at me for trying to help the guy?
Get real!
But then I'm unreasonable 'cause I call you out on it?
I can live with that.
But I have to wonder what motivates someone just to throw in a heaping helping of pessimism when someone asks for help. Why not just let it alone?
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10/27/2008 01:40:31 AM · #75 |
is it just me that thinks this thread should be locked?
The internet's a funny place sometimes... |
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