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10/26/2008 12:08:29 AM · #26
Originally posted by Tez:

I wouldnt go for the refund until I had exahusted every other possibly avenue of recovery: noise redution, B/w or whatever else.

And the client may not see the mistake at all; they might really like the pics as they come back. Who's to say?


I wouldn't refund at all unless my "film was exposed" as they say.. Black and white with grain is awesome!... sigh
10/26/2008 12:09:59 AM · #27
Ask him if he can re-do the wedding. Make a few calls, invite a few guests and have a do over.
10/26/2008 12:14:18 AM · #28
Originally posted by goinskiing:

My two cents is to see how the client feels before a refund. He may not even notice and may even like them.

The grain/noise helps hide wrinkles too. They may like that if they are over 50.
10/26/2008 06:26:58 AM · #29
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:

Ask him if he can re-do the wedding. Make a few calls, invite a few guests and have a do over.


genius! ;P
10/26/2008 07:48:41 AM · #30
Will they even notice the noise in the prints? viewing photos at 100% is the photographer's affliction, no one else cares.
10/26/2008 08:15:00 AM · #31
Originally posted by violinist123:

Yeah sorry for the confusion. The underexposed comments were regarding your photo. The suggestion on giving the guy his money back was for the op.

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Wow...

If you meant that like it came across......well...

The image totally was a mistake, which I stated in MY post.....perhaps you should read closer.

Personally, I don't give a rat's ass what you think of it....*I* like it, so does the young lady, my wife, her parents.....but what do they know.

I was just trying to be decent and supportive of the OP, not beat her over the head with what she put in the title of her original post.


Originally posted by violinist123:

I don't know why you're getting hyper. I said your optimism is laudable, but what value is there in pointing out that you can make something likable out of a mistake when the op is talking about 500 images? A mistake is a mistake. Give the guy his 50 bucks back, learn from the error, move on.

I'm not getting any way at all.....I was merely offering up a reasonable possibility for the OP to deal with the situation.

He asked for advice....I gave my opinion.

YOU decided YOU had to take a shot or two both at me and the OP with your "Screw it, shit happens, move on." attitude.

As I had stated before, I really don't care what you think...I was responding to the OP's plea for help.

I didn't want your negative, pointed, not particularly pleasant point of view before, I certainly don't want it now.

If you don't have anything constructive to say, why not just keep it to yourself.

The OP asked for advice......I'm sure he knows he can just tell the guy "Tough luck." without your guidance.

There have been constructive ideas.....why not leave it at that?
10/26/2008 09:32:35 AM · #32
Originally posted by NikonJeb:


As I had stated before, I really don't care what you think...I was responding to the OP's plea for help.

I didn't want your negative, pointed, not particularly pleasant point of view before, I certainly don't want it now.

If you don't have anything constructive to say, why not just keep it to yourself.

The OP asked for advice......I'm sure he knows he can just tell the guy "Tough luck." without your guidance.

There have been constructive ideas.....why not leave it at that?


Well, as long as you don't care what I think...
10/26/2008 09:53:26 AM · #33
Originally posted by violinist123:

Well, as long as you don't care what I think...


LOL exactly what I was thinking. Awful lot of responding for a guy who doesn't care what you think.
10/26/2008 11:06:22 AM · #34
Wow guys, why is it anytime a "newbie" not a "pro" tries something new or ventures out, makes a mistake or has a question on here to ask some of the pros, the forum always ends up in SOMEONE arguing. critisim is good, but some of you really know how to make people not want to ask for help again. I'm just saying...
now I'm sure someone is going to have someting on the smart side to reply with so ahead of time, i will not be arguing about it..
I'm just saying the person came here to get some advice and then you have several comments from "pro's" that in a newbie's eyes like me, and the OP from what I gather, kind of discourge the person from asking for help again, and even to some extent discouraging someone from trying to help a person out with pictures again, IE- a neighbor, a friend.
I don't think the neighbor "hired" the OP, I think it was a "hey you take pics, Ill pay you 50 to help me on this" so yeah the neighbor probably expected somewhat decent pictures,
yes were aware that people get paid 5,000 for weddings, so what. you went to school, or learned from others to get there. you need to remember that each person on here weather new or an oldy.. (is that a word??) had to start somewhere go back and look at the first wedding you did years ago, or the first kids you shot years or moths ago and look at you now, you have to start somewhere to learn. I understand there are amazing photographers here, many that I envy for that fact. But also remember there are us that aren't where you are yet, and may or may never be. but still when someone wants to try something, or help someone then comes here for help.. why does that OP always end up with some sort of issue in the forums???
10/26/2008 11:10:33 AM · #35
Yeah ... take it easy on the baiting and the harsh words ...
10/26/2008 11:14:27 AM · #36
Originally posted by Photomom1981:

Wow guys, why is it anytime a "newbie" not a "pro" tries something new or ventures out, makes a mistake or has a question on here to ask some of the pros, the forum always ends up in SOMEONE arguing. critisim is good, but some of you really know how to make people not want to ask for help again. I'm just saying...
now I'm sure someone is going to have someting on the smart side to reply with so ahead of time, i will not be arguing about it..
I'm just saying the person came here to get some advice and then you have several comments from "pro's" that in a newbie's eyes like me, and the OP from what I gather, kind of discourge the person from asking for help again, and even to some extent discouraging someone from trying to help a person out with pictures again, IE- a neighbor, a friend.
I don't think the neighbor "hired" the OP, I think it was a "hey you take pics, Ill pay you 50 to help me on this" so yeah the neighbor probably expected somewhat decent pictures,
yes were aware that people get paid 5,000 for weddings, so what. you went to school, or learned from others to get there. you need to remember that each person on here weather new or an oldy.. (is that a word??) had to start somewhere go back and look at the first wedding you did years ago, or the first kids you shot years or moths ago and look at you now, you have to start somewhere to learn. I understand there are amazing photographers here, many that I envy for that fact. But also remember there are us that aren't where you are yet, and may or may never be. but still when someone wants to try something, or help someone then comes here for help.. why does that OP always end up with some sort of issue in the forums???


Well said.

I think the gist that can be taken from this thread is that if the exposure on the shots is decent you can achieve a decent final result.

To the OP, if you can, post a couple (if you feel like it) and maybe we can give specific advice for the photos you're most concerned about.

BW is an option. Grain is not always a bad thing.
10/26/2008 11:36:50 AM · #37
I suspect you will find that it is only photographers that would even note the exisitance of all but the most extreme amounts of noise in a photograph. They will be focused on the composition and the subjects rather than a jaggy line here or a hot pixel there. For $50 they should not be expecting large scale blowups for framing, they just wnated someone there to record the moment. I suspect your friend will be oblivious and excited about you images, only if they express concerns should you consider any refund or response.
10/26/2008 12:19:36 PM · #38
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by Photomom1981:

Wow guys, why is it anytime a "newbie" not a "pro" tries something new or ventures out, makes a mistake or has a question on here to ask some of the pros, the forum always ends up in SOMEONE arguing. critisim is good, but some of you really know how to make people not want to ask for help again. I'm just saying...
now I'm sure someone is going to have someting on the smart side to reply with so ahead of time, i will not be arguing about it..
I'm just saying the person came here to get some advice and then you have several comments from "pro's" that in a newbie's eyes like me, and the OP from what I gather, kind of discourge the person from asking for help again, and even to some extent discouraging someone from trying to help a person out with pictures again, IE- a neighbor, a friend.
I don't think the neighbor "hired" the OP, I think it was a "hey you take pics, Ill pay you 50 to help me on this" so yeah the neighbor probably expected somewhat decent pictures,
yes were aware that people get paid 5,000 for weddings, so what. you went to school, or learned from others to get there. you need to remember that each person on here weather new or an oldy.. (is that a word??) had to start somewhere go back and look at the first wedding you did years ago, or the first kids you shot years or moths ago and look at you now, you have to start somewhere to learn. I understand there are amazing photographers here, many that I envy for that fact. But also remember there are us that aren't where you are yet, and may or may never be. but still when someone wants to try something, or help someone then comes here for help.. why does that OP always end up with some sort of issue in the forums???


Well said.

I think the gist that can be taken from this thread is that if the exposure on the shots is decent you can achieve a decent final result.

To the OP, if you can, post a couple (if you feel like it) and maybe we can give specific advice for the photos you're most concerned about.

BW is an option. Grain is not always a bad thing.


ditto....
bottom line a neighbor accepted $50.00 to shoot a wedding. and is upset with his results....I'm amazed that so many of you are saying ' you only got $50.00 so move on and forget about it'....i'd hate to have you shoot my wedding....

please do post some examples, so someone can help rather than argue about it!
10/26/2008 12:20:29 PM · #39
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

I think the gist that can be taken from this thread is that if the exposure on the shots is decent you can achieve a decent final result.

To the OP, if you can, post a couple (if you feel like it) and maybe we can give specific advice for the photos you're most concerned about.

BW is an option. Grain is not always a bad thing.


B&W!!! Brilliant!! I took a bunch of pictures at a relative's evening wedding this summer and have been putting off processing most of them because I didn't want to mess with skin color and white balance and yada yada. Didn't use the flash since I didn't want to mess up the paid photographers' shots so I was using very high ISO. I just tried a couple of them in B&W and with minimal noise reduction they look pretty darn good. Tons better than the ones I spent hours trying to process in color. D'OH!

Oh, and to add to the exposure issue: if you nailed it you can crop with impunity; if not, you probably want to avoid cropping as much as possible since it just exaggerates whatever noise is already there.
10/26/2008 01:55:13 PM · #40
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thanks for all the input....for me it is not about the money it is about the pride I have for the work I do.........I did it to help someone out and not for money. I had a good time and I learned a good lesson it just sucks that it was at other peoples expense. I was looking for some advice on editing and perhaps to stop someone from making the same mistake.

Message edited by karmat - please remember size guidelines in forums (longest side < 500).
10/26/2008 02:03:25 PM · #41
Can you send me an unedited version of that last one? If so send it to matt@mattophotography.com the first two dont seem to have alot of noise issues, but that last one........I'd like to see if thats an editing addition by you or if its the file itself. Let me take a shot at it if you dont mind.

Matt
10/26/2008 02:16:29 PM · #42
i would take the ceiling out with croping on them. on that last one is that something you edited? I would throw in a layer or two for some "old timey" effect to it I bet you can make it look kinda neat. can i try will you e-mail it to me? tnnernhannahsmom@aol.com
10/26/2008 02:20:46 PM · #43
I think the only one that really looks bad was that last one that you edited, Those others look fine and Even look nice. I don't think your friend will even notice or care. The first one especially is a great shot.
10/26/2008 02:31:56 PM · #44
Sheesh ... all this fuss ... I don't see anything that is not easily fixable ... I see you framing the shots very nicely and I think you have NOTHING to be ashamed of ...

Most don't want 1 X 1.5 meter posters of their wedding shots so all those can be fixed ... even the really grainy one at the end can look like artistic choice IMO.
10/26/2008 02:54:50 PM · #45
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This is a quick edit of the photo you sent me. Not the one I was looking at. I wanted the last one you posted. But I'll send you back a color and BW of this via e-mail, you can look at. A simple single click adjustments and I dont really see an issue with the one you sent. I'd really like to see the last one that you posted with all the noise.

Matt
10/26/2008 03:01:38 PM · #46
Originally posted by MattO:

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This is a quick edit of the photo you sent me. Not the one I was looking at. I wanted the last one you posted. But I'll send you back a color and BW of this via e-mail, you can look at. A simple single click adjustments and I dont really see an issue with the one you sent. I'd really like to see the last one that you posted with all the noise.

Matt


Quick edit? Damn go to show how little I know, this looks GOOD..
10/26/2008 03:02:37 PM · #47
Send me the first one. I have had some experience fixing this for others. I will take a stab at it and write down my steps for ya :)

jojophotoe@yahoo.com

I will see what I can do to it tonight.
10/26/2008 03:08:56 PM · #48
Originally posted by dassilem:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by Photomom1981:

Wow guys, why is it anytime a "newbie" not a "pro" tries something new or ventures out, makes a mistake or has a question on here to ask some of the pros, the forum always ends up in SOMEONE arguing. critisim is good, but some of you really know how to make people not want to ask for help again. I'm just saying...
now I'm sure someone is going to have someting on the smart side to reply with so ahead of time, i will not be arguing about it..
I'm just saying the person came here to get some advice and then you have several comments from "pro's" that in a newbie's eyes like me, and the OP from what I gather, kind of discourge the person from asking for help again, and even to some extent discouraging someone from trying to help a person out with pictures again, IE- a neighbor, a friend.
I don't think the neighbor "hired" the OP, I think it was a "hey you take pics, Ill pay you 50 to help me on this" so yeah the neighbor probably expected somewhat decent pictures,
yes were aware that people get paid 5,000 for weddings, so what. you went to school, or learned from others to get there. you need to remember that each person on here weather new or an oldy.. (is that a word??) had to start somewhere go back and look at the first wedding you did years ago, or the first kids you shot years or moths ago and look at you now, you have to start somewhere to learn. I understand there are amazing photographers here, many that I envy for that fact. But also remember there are us that aren't where you are yet, and may or may never be. but still when someone wants to try something, or help someone then comes here for help.. why does that OP always end up with some sort of issue in the forums???


Well said.

I think the gist that can be taken from this thread is that if the exposure on the shots is decent you can achieve a decent final result.

To the OP, if you can, post a couple (if you feel like it) and maybe we can give specific advice for the photos you're most concerned about.

BW is an option. Grain is not always a bad thing.


ditto....
bottom line a neighbor accepted $50.00 to shoot a wedding. and is upset with his results....I'm amazed that so many of you are saying ' you only got $50.00 so move on and forget about it'....i'd hate to have you shoot my wedding....

please do post some examples, so someone can help rather than argue about it!


If I shot your wedding, I wouldn't be doing it for $50.
10/26/2008 03:55:03 PM · #49
Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by dassilem:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by Photomom1981:

....I don't think the neighbor "hired" the OP, I think it was a "hey you take pics, Ill pay you 50 to help me on this" so yeah the neighbor probably expected somewhat decent pictures,


Well said.



ditto....
bottom line a neighbor accepted $50.00 to shoot a wedding. and is upset with his results....I'm amazed that so many of you are saying ' you only got $50.00 so move on and forget about it'....i'd hate to have you shoot my wedding....

please do post some examples, so someone can help rather than argue about it!


If I shot your wedding, I wouldn't be doing it for $50.


I guess what I am saying is, is this the attitude? if the price isn't 'right' then don't worry if you are not happy with the job that you did as it didn't deserve better anyways?
10/26/2008 04:08:34 PM · #50
Originally posted by Photomom1981:

Wow guys, why is it anytime a "newbie" not a "pro" tries something new or ventures out, makes a mistake or has a question on here to ask some of the pros, the forum always ends up in SOMEONE arguing. critisim is good, but some of you really know how to make people not want to ask for help again. I'm just saying...

Sort of my point. I guess I grew up in a different generation. I thought that the OP was looking for positive input as to what to do, not to debate how to tell the guy tough luck.

My only point in posting what I had was that sometimes an unexpected mistake can be salvaged, and actually add a little character in what might otherwise be considered a total loss. Not that I'm even remotely a really good photographer, but with the help of some good people here, I've learned how to not only save some lesser images, but to look at something that appears to be junk with a different attitude and perspective......and sometimes a jewel you never saw......emerges like a gold nugget once you wash off the dirt.

Hang in there.....

Originally posted by Photomom1981:

now I'm sure someone is going to have someting on the smart side to reply with so ahead of time, i will not be arguing about it..
I'm just saying the person came here to get some advice and then you have several comments from "pro's" that in a newbie's eyes like me, and the OP from what I gather, kind of discourge the person from asking for help again, and even to some extent discouraging someone from trying to help a person out with pictures again, IE- a neighbor, a friend.

Unfortunately, that's too often the case. This is kind of one of those places where you have to try not to let the negativity and just plain mean or thoughtless commentary slide off......though some days that's really tough. I've been here almost two and a half years yet it STILL amazes me how just plain mean some people can be when you ask for help.

Originally posted by Photomom1981:

I don't think the neighbor "hired" the OP, I think it was a "hey you take pics, Ill pay you 50 to help me on this" so yeah the neighbor probably expected somewhat decent pictures,
yes were aware that people get paid 5,000 for weddings, so what. you went to school, or learned from others to get there. you need to remember that each person on here weather new or an oldy.. (is that a word??) had to start somewhere go back and look at the first wedding you did years ago, or the first kids you shot years or moths ago and look at you now, you have to start somewhere to learn. I understand there are amazing photographers here, many that I envy for that fact. But also remember there are us that aren't where you are yet, and may or may never be. but still when someone wants to try something, or help someone then comes here for help.. why does that OP always end up with some sort of issue in the forums???


I really don't think there's any photographer, or anything on the planet that's good enough to justify just plain thoughtlessness and meanness. Yet that doesn't seem to stop some.

There are a lot of really terrific and helpful people here that will quietly help, be a BIG help, and really outshine the nastiness in their own good and decent way.....you've already met Jojo and Matt......they're terrific. Mary's another gem.

They're worth slogging through the less helpful and insensitive ones.
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