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10/20/2008 09:43:05 AM · #76 |
I'd just like say that I LOVE the images in this challenge. I've always loved wildlife photography and some of the pictures are just superb.
I gave out four 10s, nine 9's and a whole whack of 8's and 7's!
now I have to go through and comment and fav all of them ;P |
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10/20/2008 09:43:50 AM · #77 |
The problem I had when scoring some of the entries is that you see animals that you normally see at zoos and not in the wild. It made it very difficult for me to be fair on those. I learned to respect those wildlife photographers, it is not easy and it takes tons of patience and luck to get some good shots of wildlife.
The Zoo animals are pretty much enclosed and it is easier to photograph those. Not that it takes less merit, but it is easier. |
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10/20/2008 09:48:32 AM · #78 |
You have rated 159 of 159 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.8994.
GOOD LUCK I really like the entries... I gave out three 10's... Great job to all who entered! |
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10/20/2008 09:56:52 AM · #79 |
| After 50 votes average score 6.0400 & 1 comment. |
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10/20/2008 10:00:29 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by SaraR:
Wildlife photography is a specific genre in its own right, with unwritten rules and assumptions regarding the methodology used - and a zoo shot does not fall into the category. |
Care to share what those unwritten rules and assumptions are?
Here's my take.
There are no "real" natural environments anymore. Whether it's a zoo, a man made garden, a city park, or a nature preserve, all of these environments have been touched by human intervention. Is a shot taken in a wildlife park where the animals are fed and populations controlled any more or less set up than a shot taken in a zoo? To the animal that was born and lived its entire life in a zoo living it what it perceives as its natural environment, that IS its natural environment.
The challenge description did not say "Take a wildlife picture in the wild".
I believe in sticking to the rules, but also acknowledge that they are sometimes open to interpretation.
If you want to see some wild interpretations, check out any of the Environmental Portrait challenges.
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10/20/2008 10:16:42 AM · #81 |
Just finished voting...there are some amazing photographs in this challenge. I envision plenty of 7+ images drifting out of the top 5.
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10/20/2008 10:20:55 AM · #82 |
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10/20/2008 10:22:41 AM · #83 |
Votes: 50
Views: 88
Avg Vote: 6.2200
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
Lalalalala....so happy.... |
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10/20/2008 10:27:41 AM · #84 |
Votes: 50
Views: 83
Avg Vote: 5.4600
Doing better than my last few entries anyway.
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10/20/2008 10:29:19 AM · #85 |
I'm very happy with my score so far, at the moment my main page has two shots on it.
1 is at 4.5
the other is at 6.7
the story of my life... up & down. |
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10/20/2008 10:35:20 AM · #86 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by halopes:
I understand that if people see fences or something that clearly identifies a zoo they may be annoyed for not being “truly wild”, but if the photographer managed to isolate the animal I don’t see why people should vote down. I mean, after all photography is also about faking and manipulating the attention of the viewer. Just my thoughts... |
Err.....there are some wildlife that don't stop at fences and live in rural areas in many countries. So a fence may be in the image...but doesn't necessarily contain the animal. |
Personally, I have no problems with fences. But then again, I have no problems with zoo shots in this challenge :) |
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10/20/2008 11:07:38 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by rinac:
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Yeah, I don't view zoo shots as the intended home of the subjects, but I won't ding the shot more than a single point. I can't completely destroy a beautiful photograph, but I intend to favor the non-zoo shots. Just my interpretation and voting guidelines for this challenge. First impressions...after first glance, I don't see a top 20 like Wildlife III. |
But how will you know for sure if it's a zoo shot you're looking at? Don't assume to know where the shot was taken :/ |
LOL...I'm pretty sure that most people don't have lions or tigers in their home area! ;) |
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10/20/2008 11:19:17 AM · #88 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
Originally posted by rinac:
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Yeah, I don't view zoo shots as the intended home of the subjects, but I won't ding the shot more than a single point. I can't completely destroy a beautiful photograph, but I intend to favor the non-zoo shots. Just my interpretation and voting guidelines for this challenge. First impressions...after first glance, I don't see a top 20 like Wildlife III. |
But how will you know for sure if it's a zoo shot you're looking at? Don't assume to know where the shot was taken :/ |
LOL...I'm pretty sure that most people don't have lions or tigers in their home area! ;) |
According to researchers with the Colorado Division of Wildlife, there are 8 mountain lions within 3 miles of my home. (Not bragging, nor complaining!) But, in five years living here, I've never seen one. These big cats, like most big cats, are stealth animals and mostly nocturnal... as they are highly correlated with the movements of the mule deer. Occasionally, these big cats are seen by people in the daylight, but it's a very rare occurrence. There are 3000 mountain lions on the front range of Colorado. There are occasional sightings in Boulder. Not many good photos are ever captured, but fleeting glimpses are not uncommon. |
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10/20/2008 11:22:32 AM · #89 |
| I started last night in the low 4's and climbed up to low 5's I knew this would happen but I didn't enter last week and missed pushing the "update" button LOL So - my "wildlife" shot which I know is not technically wild is in there dropping my overall average which will give me a new goal to raise it back up over 6 after this is all done :-) It's all about finding new opportunities to challenge ourselves right?!? Yep, that's what I am gonna keep telling myself when I look at the screen |
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10/20/2008 11:27:11 AM · #90 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Originally posted by SaraR:
Wildlife photography is a specific genre in its own right, with unwritten rules and assumptions regarding the methodology used - and a zoo shot does not fall into the category. |
Care to share what those unwritten rules and assumptions are?
Here's my take.
There are no "real" natural environments anymore. Whether it's a zoo, a man made garden, a city park, or a nature preserve, all of these environments have been touched by human intervention. Is a shot taken in a wildlife park where the animals are fed and populations controlled any more or less set up than a shot taken in a zoo? To the animal that was born and lived its entire life in a zoo living it what it perceives as its natural environment, that IS its natural environment.
The challenge description did not say "Take a wildlife picture in the wild".
I believe in sticking to the rules, but also acknowledge that they are sometimes open to interpretation.
If you want to see some wild interpretations, check out any of the Environmental Portrait challenges. |
I think that the interpretation of "In their natural habitat" is being "shoehorned" into this challenge this time because so many of us can misunderstand just what was orginally meant. To say that a tiger, lion etc. has a natural habitat of concrete and iron walls and fencing, built by man in a zoo somewhere in Toronto, or Los Angeles, is not exactly "natural". It may be their "habitat" now, but it is definitely not their natural habitat by any means of the words.
However, a wildlife park is a slightly different story. Usually, the wildlife inhabitants to that park are indigenous to that particular area. They are simply being "protected" by man in living in their natural environment. A zoo does NOT fit this category as most of the animals in a zoo are definitely NOT indigenous to the area that the zoo is placed and not living in their natural enviroments.
In any OTHER challenge, if someone were to have photographed something even remotely outside of the challenge criteria or a more subtle version of it, voters would be leaping with comments to let us know that our shots do not fit within that framework/criteria! Think about that. Why then, does THIS particular challenge differ? Why is it ok to stray from challenge description on this one and not all of the others?
How does someone who has taken a shot of a squirrel for instance (I do not have a squirrel in mine) compete against the majesty of a lion or tiger? How does one who doesn't live near a zoo, compete with majestic bison or moose? (don't know what the plural is to that one. LOL) It isn't fair and WHOMEVER set up the challenge criteria (doesn't matter who), should have been more clear about it ie: NO ZOO shots! or, simply called it Wildlife (end of story). That would have made it more abundantly clear. However, to say "in their natural habitats" and THEN, on another thread (that not all of us obviously saw), say...zoos are acceptable as natural habitats is just plain "shoehorning" in interpretation. :)
Message edited by author 2008-10-20 11:29:35. |
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10/20/2008 11:36:29 AM · #91 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
Originally posted by rinac:
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Yeah, I don't view zoo shots as the intended home of the subjects, but I won't ding the shot more than a single point. I can't completely destroy a beautiful photograph, but I intend to favor the non-zoo shots. Just my interpretation and voting guidelines for this challenge. First impressions...after first glance, I don't see a top 20 like Wildlife III. |
But how will you know for sure if it's a zoo shot you're looking at? Don't assume to know where the shot was taken :/ |
LOL...I'm pretty sure that most people don't have lions or tigers in their home area! ;) |
According to researchers with the Colorado Division of Wildlife, there are 8 mountain lions within 3 miles of my home. (Not bragging, nor complaining!) But, in five years living here, I've never seen one. These big cats, like most big cats, are stealth animals and mostly nocturnal... as they are highly correlated with the movements of the mule deer. Occasionally, these big cats are seen by people in the daylight, but it's a very rare occurrence. There are 3000 mountain lions on the front range of Colorado. There are occasional sightings in Boulder. Not many good photos are ever captured, but fleeting glimpses are not uncommon. |
Wow, well mountain lions are a little different than the african lions that you'd capture in the zoo, aren't they? Beautiful creatures and you're lucky to live in such a beautiful area! I'm sure that it holds a lot of very wonderful shots both with wildlife and scenery!!! However, you having the opportunity to capture one on film would be less likely then and you'd likely have gone shooting other more indigenous creatures to your area, right? :)
Still, IF you ever do get a chance to capture one on film, I'm sure that it would make a tremendous Free Study shot one day!!! Personally, I hope I never run into a lion, mountain or otherwise, unless they are behind zoo walls! ;)
Message edited by author 2008-10-20 11:38:19. |
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10/20/2008 11:37:15 AM · #92 |
So far, I've seen at least one really good squirrel shot and a couple of really good entries of common birds. I think once people get over the wow factor of moose and lions, they will vote on the quality of the photos. I agree with the person who said that if you're able to get a really good zoo shot that doesn't look like it's in a zoo, then good for you. Those are not necessarily a walk in the park to get either.
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10/20/2008 11:39:26 AM · #93 |
Hey, we have quite a number of guys, running around with guns in our neighbourhood that we call our "wild life"...can I shoehorn them in?! They're in their natural habitat! ;)
Message edited by author 2008-10-20 11:41:15. |
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10/20/2008 11:40:26 AM · #94 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Votes: 50
Views: 88
Avg Vote: 6.2200
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
Lalalalala....so happy.... |
Way to go, Susan!!! :) |
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10/20/2008 11:56:53 AM · #95 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Originally posted by SaraR:
Wildlife photography is a specific genre in its own right, with unwritten rules and assumptions regarding the methodology used - and a zoo shot does not fall into the category. |
Care to share what those unwritten rules and assumptions are?
Here's my take.
There are no "real" natural environments anymore. Whether it's a zoo, a man made garden, a city park, or a nature preserve, all of these environments have been touched by human intervention. Is a shot taken in a wildlife park where the animals are fed and populations controlled any more or less set up than a shot taken in a zoo? To the animal that was born and lived its entire life in a zoo living it what it perceives as its natural environment, that IS its natural environment.
The challenge description did not say "Take a wildlife picture in the wild".
I believe in sticking to the rules, but also acknowledge that they are sometimes open to interpretation.
If you want to see some wild interpretations, check out any of the Environmental Portrait challenges. |
I think that the interpretation of "In their natural habitat" is being "shoehorned" into this challenge this time because so many of us can misunderstand just what was orginally meant. To say that a tiger, lion etc. has a natural habitat of concrete and iron walls and fencing, built by man in a zoo somewhere in Toronto, or Los Angeles, is not exactly "natural". It may be their "habitat" now, but it is definitely not their natural habitat by any means of the words.
However, a wildlife park is a slightly different story. Usually, the wildlife inhabitants to that park are indigenous to that particular area. They are simply being "protected" by man in living in their natural environment. A zoo does NOT fit this category as most of the animals in a zoo are definitely NOT indigenous to the area that the zoo is placed and not living in their natural enviroments.
In any OTHER challenge, if someone were to have photographed something even remotely outside of the challenge criteria or a more subtle version of it, voters would be leaping with comments to let us know that our shots do not fit within that framework/criteria! Think about that. Why then, does THIS particular challenge differ? Why is it ok to stray from challenge description on this one and not all of the others?
How does someone who has taken a shot of a squirrel for instance (I do not have a squirrel in mine) compete against the majesty of a lion or tiger? How does one who doesn't live near a zoo, compete with majestic bison or moose? (don't know what the plural is to that one. LOL) It isn't fair and WHOMEVER set up the challenge criteria (doesn't matter who), should have been more clear about it ie: NO ZOO shots! or, simply called it Wildlife (end of story). That would have made it more abundantly clear. However, to say "in their natural habitats" and THEN, on another thread (that not all of us obviously saw), say...zoos are acceptable as natural habitats is just plain "shoehorning" in interpretation. :) |
... and animals born in captivity would have a natural habitat of what?
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10/20/2008 12:00:06 PM · #96 |
Good post PhotoInterest. I agree with you.
As for me, I waited too long to search for wildlife in their natural habitat and wasn't able to find much at all in my area. I'm bummed.
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10/20/2008 12:04:24 PM · #97 |
Votes: 53
Views: 94
Avg Vote: 6.2453
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0
:-) |
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10/20/2008 12:09:10 PM · #98 |
PhotoInterest -- You keep saying "natural habitat," but the challenge description, such as it is, says "natural environment."
Perhaps it is just semantics, but there IS a difference, IMO. If an animal was born in captivity, it is in its natural environment -- that is where it has always been. Also, a zoo is a natural environment for typical zoo animals. Its natural habitat may be the savannah in Africa.
Even more specifically, and the way you are using it, I think, is native habitat, which would definitely exclude zoo shots.
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10/20/2008 12:12:22 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
LOL...I'm pretty sure that most people don't have lions or tigers in their home area! ;) |
We have enough active members from Africa and Asia that a lion or tiger just *might* be wild. You can't tell just by the species. Every animal that we consider exotic is native to someplace. |
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10/20/2008 12:12:50 PM · #100 |
Votes: 56
Views: 105
Avg Vote: 6.4286
Comments: 2
Morning check in.
As an aside, I wish people would stop trying to be so literal about things as pertaining to the challenge description. It's a dream, I know. |
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