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10/20/2008 01:55:45 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Yeah, I don't view zoo shots as the intended home of the subjects, but I won't ding the shot more than a single point. I can't completely destroy a beautiful photograph, but I intend to favor the non-zoo shots. Just my interpretation and voting guidelines for this challenge. First impressions...after first glance, I don't see a top 20 like Wildlife III. |
No wonder the SC is saying zoo shots are ok. Look who finished 10th with the highest scoring zoo shot in the last wildlife challenge. :P |
Yeah! But what a photograph. That's the kind of image I can't call a zoo shot without the title telling me. Maybe he a had a 600mm prime with an extender, sat around for a few days waiting, got the shot, and then cropped! |
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10/20/2008 01:57:46 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Yeah, I don't view zoo shots as the intended home of the subjects, but I won't ding the shot more than a single point. I can't completely destroy a beautiful photograph, but I intend to favor the non-zoo shots. Just my interpretation and voting guidelines for this challenge. First impressions...after first glance, I don't see a top 20 like Wildlife III. |
But how will you know for sure if it's a zoo shot you're looking at? Don't assume to know where the shot was taken :/
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10/20/2008 02:04:19 AM · #53 |
| Sub-5. I'm getting very good at starting below five, turning off scores, then waiting to see if I break that "5" ceiling at rollover. It's a rather fun little game! |
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10/20/2008 02:24:18 AM · #54 |
I found it amusing to read folks' thoughts(in here and on the other thread) on what constitutes a "natural environment." I found this definition of "natural environment" on Wikipedia quite interesting:
The terminology and concept of what comprises the natural environment includes a few key components:
Complete ecological units that function as natural systems without massive human intervention, including all vegetation, animals, microorganisms, rocks, atmosphere and natural phenomena that occur within their boundaries.
Universal natural resources and physical phenomena that lack clear-cut boundaries, such as air, water, and climate, as well as energy, radiation, electric charge, and magnetism, not originating from human activity.
The natural environment is contrasted with the built environment, which comprises the areas and components that are strongly influenced by man. A geographical area is regarded as a natural environment (with an indefinite article), if the human impact on it is kept under a certain limited level (similar to section 1 above). This level depends on the specific context, and changes in different areas and contexts. The term wilderness, on the other hand, refers to Earth that has not been modified by human activity.
For those who say that zoos can be placed in the "natural environment" category, does your definition conflict with the above description? Would not a zoo constitute massive human intervention? Would not a zoo be considered a built environment?
If you strongly disagree with Wikipedia's definition of natural environment, you can easily change it online. But be prepared to debate and back up your assertion. |
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10/20/2008 02:30:52 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by rinac:
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Yeah, I don't view zoo shots as the intended home of the subjects, but I won't ding the shot more than a single point. I can't completely destroy a beautiful photograph, but I intend to favor the non-zoo shots. Just my interpretation and voting guidelines for this challenge. First impressions...after first glance, I don't see a top 20 like Wildlife III. |
But how will you know for sure if it's a zoo shot you're looking at? Don't assume to know where the shot was taken :/ |
If I can't tell then it won't matter, I'm referring to the obvious. Shannon's shot would receive full marks from me. |
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10/20/2008 02:51:51 AM · #56 |
| And the voting has... stopped.... dead. |
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10/20/2008 02:54:55 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
And the voting has... stopped.... dead. |
I think because the cranky voters smashed their keyboards to death. Phew!!! |
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10/20/2008 05:27:33 AM · #58 |
Votes: 29
Views: 56
Avg Vote: 6.0690
Comments: 1
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 10/20/08 05:27 am |
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10/20/2008 05:34:00 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Sub-5. I'm getting very good at starting below five, turning off scores, then waiting to see if I break that "5" ceiling at rollover. It's a rather fun little game! |
Woo hoo! Great comment AND a fav! (Score is most likely still sub-5, too.) I'm good. Successful challenge entry in my book. Good luck to all! |
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10/20/2008 07:05:22 AM · #60 |
Votes: 31
Views: 59
Avg Vote: 6.0968
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
WOOHOO!!!! Yes yes yes! About time!!!!! What a way to start a Monday!!!! |
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10/20/2008 07:18:13 AM · #61 |
Votes: 27
Views: 62
Avg Vote: 5.5185
Comments: 0
Favorites: 1
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10/20/2008 07:21:50 AM · #62 |
Votes: 35
Views: 65
Avg Vote: 6.2000
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
Sooo happy....maybe I'll get a new PB outta this challenge! :-) |
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10/20/2008 07:23:52 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Votes: 35
Views: 65
Avg Vote: 6.2000
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
Sooo happy....maybe I'll get a new PB outta this challenge! :-) |
Go Susan!! |
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10/20/2008 07:27:04 AM · #64 |
Votes: 29
Views: 63
Avg Vote: 5.2759
Comments: 1
Favorites: 1
WOWOWOWOWO a Favorite!
Also got a DNMC no vote comment.
I guess I am confused as to why a zoo shot is ok but an animal that is not a Mammal, Bird or Reptile is not ok in a wildlife challenge.
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10/20/2008 07:29:42 AM · #65 |
Go Susan!! (And nice with the fav, Kelli!)
DNMC is a matter of opinion in some cases. Just let it go... :-) |
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10/20/2008 07:52:12 AM · #66 |
Votes: 37
Views: 64
Avg Vote: 4.8649
Comments: 0
Ouch... either people don't think it's a wild animal or they think it's at a zoo... or I suppose it could be a terrible picture =) |
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10/20/2008 08:00:36 AM · #67 |
Votes: 36
Views: 73
Avg Vote: 5.7778
Comments: 2
Favorites: 0
about where i expected, and the 2 comments both gave me 8's
Message edited by author 2008-10-20 08:00:52.
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10/20/2008 08:00:58 AM · #68 |
| I understand that if people see fences or something that clearly identifies a zoo they may be annoyed for not being “truly wild”, but if the photographer managed to isolate the animal I don’t see why people should vote down. I mean, after all photography is also about faking and manipulating the attention of the viewer. Just my thoughts... |
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10/20/2008 08:18:39 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by halopes:
I understand that if people see fences or something that clearly identifies a zoo they may be annoyed for not being “truly wild”, but if the photographer managed to isolate the animal I don’t see why people should vote down. I mean, after all photography is also about faking and manipulating the attention of the viewer. Just my thoughts... |
Err.....there are some wildlife that don't stop at fences and live in rural areas in many countries. So a fence may be in the image...but doesn't necessarily contain the animal.
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10/20/2008 08:18:55 AM · #70 |
Originally posted by halopes:
I understand that if people see fences or something that clearly identifies a zoo they may be annoyed for not being “truly wild”, but if the photographer managed to isolate the animal I don’t see why people should vote down. I mean, after all photography is also about faking and manipulating the attention of the viewer. Just my thoughts... |
Very valid point.
I don't care if the shots are out in the real wild or in the zoo 'wild', I'm just voting on the quality of the shot. Some people (myself included) don't live in places abundant with wildlife and pretty much all animals in zoos constitute wildlife to me. Hell, if someone can go and shoot big cat or a pretty parrot through glass or mesh (as is often the case in zoos) and make it look good, then kudos to them. I'm so impressed with the entries, I've never handed out so many 9s and 10s. I've finished voting, gonna go comment in a bit. My score is about the site average.
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10/20/2008 08:23:20 AM · #71 |
Originally posted by halopes:
I understand that if people see fences or something that clearly identifies a zoo they may be annoyed for not being “truly wild”, but if the photographer managed to isolate the animal I don’t see why people should vote down. I mean, after all photography is also about faking and manipulating the attention of the viewer. Just my thoughts... |
Wildlife photography is a specific genre in its own right, with unwritten rules and assumptions regarding the methodology used - and a zoo shot does not fall into the category. That said I will be taking photos as having been taken in the wild in good faith whilst voting, and shall just be disappointed if there are zoo shots in the ones I vote highly. It strikes me that the purpose of challenges is to stretch us as photographers and to try techniques and explore genres that we might not otherwise try. What is the point of sitting in your comfort zone with a zoo shot - it certainly isn't what wildlife photography is about! |
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10/20/2008 08:51:12 AM · #72 |
Well, since an obvious outdoor portrait outscored me in the color studio portrait challenge, I'm willing to bet that plenty of obvious zoo shots will outscore my actual in the wild shot. Zoo shots have scored well in the past Wildlife challengs, so nothing new there.
I know mine has some flaws. I tried to get a better shot, but everything else looked kind of boring. So I finally said "screw it, I'm going with this one." The score is pretty close to what I guessed it would be. Now I turn off the scores and just wait it out.
Bring on the Street Photography. |
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10/20/2008 08:53:18 AM · #73 |
Hey, this shot doesn't suck! Or at least not as much as some of my other recent entries ;-)
Votes: 41
Views: 79
Avg Vote: 5.9756
Comments: 2
Probably can't get much voting done till tomorrow or Wednesday but I'm looking forward to it. Having stalked a variety of creatures through several parks last week (often futilely, from a photographic perspective) I can't wait to see a whole bunch of wildlife just sitting there waiting for me to look at them! |
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10/20/2008 09:01:27 AM · #74 |
Originally posted by SaraR:
Originally posted by halopes:
I understand that if people see fences or something that clearly identifies a zoo they may be annoyed for not being “truly wild”, but if the photographer managed to isolate the animal I don’t see why people should vote down. I mean, after all photography is also about faking and manipulating the attention of the viewer. Just my thoughts... |
Wildlife photography is a specific genre in its own right, with unwritten rules and assumptions regarding the methodology used - and a zoo shot does not fall into the category. That said I will be taking photos as having been taken in the wild in good faith whilst voting, and shall just be disappointed if there are zoo shots in the ones I vote highly. It strikes me that the purpose of challenges is to stretch us as photographers and to try techniques and explore genres that we might not otherwise try. What is the point of sitting in your comfort zone with a zoo shot - it certainly isn't what wildlife photography is about! |
That's not always correct. The National Wildlife Federation accepts zoo shots in their wildlife contests, so why not in our challenges?
edit to add link to their page, if anyone wants to enter their shot there... link
Message edited by author 2008-10-20 09:02:56. |
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10/20/2008 09:27:37 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by halopes:
I understand that if people see fences or something that clearly identifies a zoo they may be annoyed for not being “truly wild”, but if the photographer managed to isolate the animal I don’t see why people should vote down. I mean, after all photography is also about faking and manipulating the attention of the viewer. Just my thoughts... |
Err.....there are some wildlife that don't stop at fences and live in rural areas in many countries. So a fence may be in the image...but doesn't necessarily contain the animal. |
Thanks for that comment Judi, I rejected a couple of shots because there were cars in the background, not very wild looking but still wildlife. Also lots of raccoons in my area but a shot of them at the garbage just wasn't appealing. |
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