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10/15/2008 06:55:22 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by LynnS:
Hmmh... so you're telling me that I should actually be proud of the 5 out of 7 entries scoring more than 5... (even though I know 3 of them are horrible!).. as I dont know anything about PP...? |
I'd be happy if I scored >5 on 5 of 7 entries. Y'all need to keep in mind that not all digital cameras produce RAW image. |
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10/15/2008 06:57:33 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by yanko:
I'd like to see that one run again soon. |
Actually the 10th place shot in that challenge is a good example of photography untainted by processing. |
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10/15/2008 06:58:28 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by violinist123:
Originally posted by yanko:
I'd like to see that one run again soon. |
Actually the 10th place shot in that challenge is a good example of photography untainted by processing. |
LOL. Now you got me wondering what happened to that entry.
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10/15/2008 07:03:24 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by violinist123:
Originally posted by yanko:
I'd like to see that one run again soon. |
Actually the 10th place shot in that challenge is a good example of photography untainted by processing. |
LOL. Now you got me wondering what happened to that entry. |
You're gonna have to ask Judi ;)
I've seen this happen a couple of times. My guess is the shot got published. |
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10/15/2008 07:14:14 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by Techo:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by violinist123:
Originally posted by yanko:
I'd like to see that one run again soon. |
Actually the 10th place shot in that challenge is a good example of photography untainted by processing. |
LOL. Now you got me wondering what happened to that entry. |
You're gonna have to ask Judi ;)
I've seen this happen a couple of times. My guess is the shot got published. |
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=602755 |
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10/15/2008 07:25:12 PM · #56 |
Thank you very much for all the links. Very helpful. |
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10/15/2008 08:33:09 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by rinac:
Originally posted by Prash:
Originally posted by rinac:
Originally posted by Prash:
Right. I did see what you are talking about.. and thats why I said before:
"Use whatever feature is in your camera body (there can be variations in feature set).. but dump the RAW file. Once dumped, only a crop/resize allowed, then save as a lossless JPEG (no compression allowed when saving: 100% quality setting). No use of any additional software based post processing."
If your camera allows it, you are allowed to do it. That is 'in-body' processing.. not software based post processing. |
In camera processing still uses software, no?
Anyway, what's the difference between what you're suggesting and the minimal editing ruleset? Sharpening? |
Generally speaking, all the programs on camera body are 'firmware' not software... although loosely speaking, you can call it software in this context. The difference being no processing on a personal computer outside of the camera allowed. |
Ok, how are meant to "crop/resize"? Sorry if you've already explained, I think I must have missed it if you did. Besides, if we were to "crop" anything, that would kinda defeat the purpose/challenge of composing in-camera |
Rina, one may not want to crop, but they can always resize to fit the dimensins needed for the challenge. We do that anyways no? For basic editing for example, no side can be larger than 640 pixels.. so we resize the image from a larger version to this size limit. Also, 90% of the times, I have seen that the resized image can be saved within the 150KB file size limit even with a 100% JPEG quality factor. In rare cases, I do have to use compression.. but if it is not allowed, I could just reduce the size a tad more.
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10/15/2008 09:08:14 PM · #58 |
So let me get this straight:
You want a "zero (absolutely no) editing" except for crop or resize, right? Sounds like Minimal Editing without sharpening, but you're allowed to crop freely if you want to.
edit to clarify:
Strictly no pp using software but firmware is allowed, go hard.
Strictly no pp using software except to crop for composition and resize.
Message edited by author 2008-10-15 21:14:42. |
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10/15/2008 09:25:40 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by rinac:
So let me get this straight:
You want a "zero (absolutely no) editing" except for crop or resize, right? Sounds like Minimal Editing without sharpening, but you're allowed to crop freely if you want to.
edit to clarify:
Strictly no pp using software but firmware is allowed, go hard.
Strictly no pp using software except to crop for composition and resize. |
That seems to be the way I'm understanding it too. Sounds very arbitrary to me but hey whatever floats people's boats. How about a real no editing challenge? For example, you can't crop, you can't sharpen, you can't saturate, you can't boost contrast, nor can you let your camera do it for you so you have to make sure all those filters are somehow turned off. Any takers?
Message edited by author 2008-10-15 21:28:26.
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10/15/2008 09:27:36 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by rinac:
So let me get this straight:
You want a "zero (absolutely no) editing" except for crop or resize, right? Sounds like Minimal Editing without sharpening, but you're allowed to crop freely if you want to.
edit to clarify:
Strictly no pp using software but firmware is allowed, go hard.
Strictly no pp using software except to crop for composition and resize. |
That seems to be the way I'm understanding it too. Sounds very arbitrary to me and pointless but hey whatever floats people's boats. How about a real no editing challenge? For example, you can't crop, you can't sharpen, nor can you let your camera do it for you so you have to make sure there is no sharpening, contrast or saturation filters being applied in camera because that's no different than photoshop. Any takers? |
Time to take up painting. |
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10/15/2008 09:29:35 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by rinac:
So let me get this straight:
You want a "zero (absolutely no) editing" except for crop or resize, right? Sounds like Minimal Editing without sharpening, but you're allowed to crop freely if you want to.
edit to clarify:
Strictly no pp using software but firmware is allowed, go hard.
Strictly no pp using software except to crop for composition and resize. |
That seems to be the way I'm understanding it too. Sounds very arbitrary to me but hey whatever floats people's boats. How about a real no editing challenge? For example, you can't crop, you can't sharpen, nor can you let your camera do it for you so you have to make sure there is no sharpening, contrast or saturation filters being applied in camera because that's no different than photoshop. Any takers? |
YEAH! Now that's a challenge! |
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10/15/2008 09:33:42 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by violinist123:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by rinac:
So let me get this straight:
You want a "zero (absolutely no) editing" except for crop or resize, right? Sounds like Minimal Editing without sharpening, but you're allowed to crop freely if you want to.
edit to clarify:
Strictly no pp using software but firmware is allowed, go hard.
Strictly no pp using software except to crop for composition and resize. |
That seems to be the way I'm understanding it too. Sounds very arbitrary to me and pointless but hey whatever floats people's boats. How about a real no editing challenge? For example, you can't crop, you can't sharpen, nor can you let your camera do it for you so you have to make sure there is no sharpening, contrast or saturation filters being applied in camera because that's no different than photoshop. Any takers? |
Time to take up painting. |
But you can only use a cave as your canvas and you better make your own brushes and inks. No running off to the art store for supplies.
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10/15/2008 09:39:54 PM · #63 |
| So... a NO PHOTO Challenge - I'm in. |
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10/15/2008 11:26:25 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by violinist123:
Originally posted by ambaker:
I propose that he mail you his 5D. Then I propose that I will create an image on paper, from the sensor of my camera, without the aid of computer, or software of any kind. I will film the making of the image and mail you the image for verification. If indeed I have created an image on the paper, from the sensor, without the use of computer of software of any kind, then you will then mail me the 5D, and you can mail him the image and the video of how it was created. He will be educated, I will be one 5D richer, and everybody should be happy. (Note: I will cover the shipping from you to me.)
If I fail to create an image on paper, from the sensor of my camera, then I will pay the shipping from you back to Mr. 123, and reimburse him twice the cost of the shipping from him to you, for his trouble. |
Well I was hoping to be foiled by some stunning twist of logic but that's not even clever. I said 'get an image off your sensor' not make an image using your sensor. Come on man.
edit: the Mr Wizard reference was due to me thinking perhaps you were going to do something using magnetism or in some way capturing the electrical field of the charged sensor, etc. Again, very disappointed! Not that I would have parted with my camera, but still :p |
Hmmm... Don't remember saying I would make the image using the sensor, though isn't that what we all do?
As for not parting with the camera, I figured that your original statement was so much idle boast. Just ran with it till you admitted it. =]D |
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10/15/2008 11:47:03 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by ambaker:
Originally posted by violinist123:
Originally posted by ambaker:
I propose that he mail you his 5D. Then I propose that I will create an image on paper, from the sensor of my camera, without the aid of computer, or software of any kind. I will film the making of the image and mail you the image for verification. If indeed I have created an image on the paper, from the sensor, without the use of computer of software of any kind, then you will then mail me the 5D, and you can mail him the image and the video of how it was created. He will be educated, I will be one 5D richer, and everybody should be happy. (Note: I will cover the shipping from you to me.)
If I fail to create an image on paper, from the sensor of my camera, then I will pay the shipping from you back to Mr. 123, and reimburse him twice the cost of the shipping from him to you, for his trouble. |
Well I was hoping to be foiled by some stunning twist of logic but that's not even clever. I said 'get an image off your sensor' not make an image using your sensor. Come on man.
edit: the Mr Wizard reference was due to me thinking perhaps you were going to do something using magnetism or in some way capturing the electrical field of the charged sensor, etc. Again, very disappointed! Not that I would have parted with my camera, but still :p |
Hmmm... Don't remember saying I would make the image using the sensor, though isn't that what we all do?
As for not parting with the camera, I figured that your original statement was so much idle boast. Just ran with it till you admitted it. =]D |
You got me. I will not be sending my camera to anyone who will not do what can not be done despite claiming to do what they never said they would do while knowing that shouldn't have. |
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10/15/2008 11:57:33 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by violinist123:
You got me. I will not be sending my camera to anyone who will not do what can not be done despite claiming to do what they never said they would do while knowing that shouldn't have. |
Dang... and I just dusted of my Polaroid to take a shot of my camera's LCD screen. :-( |
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10/16/2008 12:07:14 AM · #67 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by violinist123:
You got me. I will not be sending my camera to anyone who will not do what can not be done despite claiming to do what they never said they would do while knowing that shouldn't have. |
Dang... and I just dusted of my Polaroid to take a shot of my camera's LCD screen. :-( |
Unless your LCD has little elves painting the images on it, I'm pretty sure there was processing involved to get the image off the sensor.
So have I wandered into some sort of logic Guantanamo, or are people seriously arguing that there is any way for a ccd chip to produce a viewable image that does not involve some form of processing?
I miss the better days of LSD and valium, back when things made sense. |
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10/16/2008 12:10:01 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by violinist123:
Unless your LCD has little elves painting the images on it, I'm pretty sure there was processing involved to get the image off the sensor. |
Why yes, it 's a Digital Elph. ;-P
Message edited by author 2008-10-16 00:10:59. |
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10/16/2008 12:15:07 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by violinist123:
Unless your LCD has little elves painting the images on it, I'm pretty sure there was processing involved to get the image off the sensor. |
Why yes, it 's a Digital Elph. ;-P |
lol |
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10/16/2008 12:15:25 AM · #70 |
Yeah, If pictures came straight from the camera they would be a lot bigger than this site would allow for posting.
Message edited by author 2008-10-16 00:16:10. |
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10/16/2008 12:29:59 AM · #71 |
| I was getting a little confused, but the elves have made it clear. People would rather believe in elves than in complex logical/mathematical transformations. And horrible words like 'algorithm.' |
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10/24/2008 02:36:19 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by Prash:
WOw! Thanks for the link.
I wish there were more of these.. so someone like me with abominable processing skills can reach the 5.0 avg mark ;-) |
I feel the same way, I don't know anything about editing. I love the basic editing challenges because I feel like they're a little closer to my league of performing. But, I also think that if I had mad editing skillz I would want challenges where I could edit. So, a mixture is nice and someday I'll (hopefully) be able to take advantage of the advanced editing challenges to their fullest! Until then, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for more "Straight from Camera" challenges.
ETA: Sorry, I kind of changed the subject, but only just got on the bandwagon... Feel free to continue the thread now :)
Message edited by author 2008-10-24 14:39:57. |
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