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10/13/2008 03:51:31 AM · #1
Dear all,

I am -not- questioning the legitimacy of this, but out of curiosity, am looking to find out what do you guys think about someone appearing in their own entry to a challenge (unless it is a called for self-portrait theme)?

[1] It is unethical, it can drive a biased voting (positive or negative), giving a hint about the ownership.

[2] It is perfectly ethical, nothing wrong with it. Knowing about the author does'nt bias the voting.

[3] I dont care (neutral).

I am just curious about what people think about this; I am -not- asking if it is allowed or not per rules.

Would you please just reply and mark your choice [1], [2], or [3]?

Thank you!

10/13/2008 04:06:01 AM · #2
[4]
10/13/2008 04:24:35 AM · #3
[3]
10/13/2008 04:25:50 AM · #4
[2]
10/13/2008 04:29:51 AM · #5
[1] (just because it was the only answer left)

edit: [3]. Yes, [3] is my final answer.

Message edited by author 2008-10-13 05:24:23.
10/13/2008 04:34:39 AM · #6
[3]
10/13/2008 04:42:45 AM · #7
[2] - If someone knows that appearing in their own shot will ruin their score then they are not going to do it, so that leaves people whose score might be boosted by an appearance. I think people who fall into that catagory do so because they already have many excellent shots in their portfolios, so are likely to produce excellent shot independent of whether they are in them or not.

On the practical side, doing anything about it is almost impossible. You could ban a photographer from appearing in their own shots, but that would also have to include husbands/wives/children who are just as recognisable, and then what would you do about people who have strong signature styles (like perfectly composed shots of glasses of coloured liquid, seemingly endless access to beautiful icelandic models to take two hypothetical examples ... ;-) )
10/13/2008 05:23:17 AM · #8
[3] I can see why you raise the issue, but I think the 'problem' is minor and should not stand in the way of the result (i.e. a good picture)
10/13/2008 05:26:59 AM · #9
Truth be told I would only recognise one person out of this whole site in a picture sooooo 3
10/13/2008 05:32:58 AM · #10
[1] - It is so totally wrong, I don't even know where to begin. I do wish Langdon could figure out some way of banning these so called "photographers" all together. It would sure make my life a whole lot easier.
10/13/2008 05:34:14 AM · #11
Originally posted by timfythetoo:

[1] - It is so totally wrong, I don't even know where to begin. I do wish Langdon could figure out some way of banning these so called "photographers" all together. It would sure make my life a whole lot easier.

I'll have to ask you to step aside whilst these villagers decide to roast you at the stake... ;-)
10/13/2008 05:42:54 AM · #12
[1], but sadly, and somewhat to the detriment of dpc (imo) I cant see it changing
10/13/2008 05:46:12 AM · #13
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Message edited by author 2008-10-13 05:56:23.
10/13/2008 06:21:07 AM · #14
[3] I really couldn't care less. Not for my own entries, and not for others entries.

This is an online photo challenge, let people do what they want to do!
10/13/2008 06:31:06 AM · #15
[3]

Some people have issues with getting models, so that jump in front themselves. Which in turn teaches them both how to direct a model and also helps them understand what it is like from a models point of view.

I am guilty of SP's in challenges...and I will always go into a challenge knowing that I am going to get hit with both anti Judi voters as well as people who don't like recogniseable models.

All of that needs to be taken into consideration when looking at the reasons why people put themselves into challenges.
10/13/2008 07:01:42 AM · #16
Originally posted by timfythetoo:

[1] - It is so totally wrong, I don't even know where to begin. I do wish Langdon could figure out some way of banning these so called "photographers" all together. It would sure make my life a whole lot easier.


I couldn't agree with you more! For example, have you seen that one guy who does those "tooth fairy" shots? C'mon man. Somebody needs to tell that guy that we know who he is, and we're calling him out. Stay out of your own photos tooth fairy man...stay out!
10/13/2008 07:09:42 AM · #17
[3] I think that if the voting gets biased it is the voters fault and not the photographer's. As judi said there are good things that can come out of doing a SP, and after all you are the most available of your models. Being ubber hot also helps a lot... or very funny (or dead ugly) a well.
10/13/2008 07:17:41 AM · #18
[1]

Anonymity is one of parameters of the voting process. The photograph is anonymous during the voting period, the vote is anonymous both during and after the voting period and the comment may be anonymous during the voting period - if you are a member and have selected the relevant option.

The photographer may violate the anonymity of the photograph by submitting a photograph of her/himself. This depends on many factors, including the recognizability of the photographer, the familiarization of the voter with the members of the site etc.

IMHO the photographer should self-restrict her/himself not to use her/himself as a model if that would allow the voter to recognize the photographer during the voting period.

Some may argue that the photographer may also be recognized by the subject, style, processing etc. I have to agree with that and I personally hope that some day I will develop a style so personal that will allow this. In this case though, the voter can never be absolutely certain about the photographer's identity until the voting is over.


10/13/2008 07:21:42 AM · #19
Originally posted by Valdo:

[3] I think that if the voting gets biased it is the voters fault and not the photographer's.

May I use this? I am not sure if I have ever heard such perfect words on this subject.
10/13/2008 07:49:57 AM · #20
Originally posted by timfythetoo:

Originally posted by Valdo:

[3] I think that if the voting gets biased it is the voters fault and not the photographer's.

May I use this? I am not sure if I have ever heard such perfect words on this subject.


Please feel free to do so :D
10/13/2008 07:56:26 AM · #21
Originally posted by yianisn:

[1]

Anonymity is one of parameters of the voting process. The photograph is anonymous during the voting period, the vote is anonymous both during and after the voting period and the comment may be anonymous during the voting period - if you are a member and have selected the relevant option.


I believe that we only need "anonymity" because we are not mature enough to separate our personal feelings while voting. The fact that I can recognise any photographer in a challenge shouldn't affect my vote "if I like the picture" then the vote should be high otherwise it should be low. Regardless if it comes from the Toos, the Judis, the Achoos, the Irenes, etc.

Maybe we should be asking ourselves if "is it ethical from my part to let my voting be influenced by factors other than the quality of the picture and its relevance to the challenge?" then we wouldn't be worrying about who the model was.

Message edited by author 2008-10-13 08:01:53.
10/13/2008 08:07:25 AM · #22
[3] lol
10/13/2008 08:21:37 AM · #23
Well.. I do believe some people can use their face to try to sway votes but they could be like me and not have a good pool of models to choose from at the time.. but I usually try to disguise myself somehow.. that damn "beauty mark" gives me away - unless it's advanced editing then I clone that baby off..

SO 1, 2, and 3!
10/13/2008 08:28:32 AM · #24
[2]

This makes no sense. If you see the photographer in the image, for all you know, ANOTHER photographer took the picture.

So you think it might still be the really photographer ... and you're worried that getting to know who the photographer is by his subject matter spoils the voting process, well then ... what if a photographer uses their own kids - REPEATEDLY - in different challenges? Pretty soon you come to know the photographer by his or her family. Do we rule out family pictures? Some photographers work almost exclusively with the same model. Do we have to throw out models too?

You can't go around disqualifying all of the various subjects based on recognizability. Besides, there are thousands of DPC members. There's no way for everyone to know everyone. Anonymity is still somewhat guarded. I simply wouldn't worry about it.

10/13/2008 08:44:09 AM · #25
[2] - Photography is about showing the world through your eyes. Therefore having yourself in the photograph is not unreasonable.

When it comes to voting, I don't think people vote based on the person in the photo. I think they vote based on the quality of the image.
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