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 10/09/2008 07:48:15 PM · #1
Seriously, what has this man ever done that could be considered a real accomplishment? Getting elected doesn't count. I am not asking this facetiously. I really want to know. Throughout this entire election cycle I haven't heard of one single solitary thing. I have heard a ton about the people he associated with and that is not too flattering. I don't trust him. I don't know how anyone could without some evidence that he has at least a good character and sound judgment. If you feel he has these things then please provide me with your reasoning. Please DO NOT tell me why you don't want McCain to win. I really want to know why those of you who will be voting for Obama what it is about the man that makes you feel he is the right person for the job. Please try to keep it positive. Try to convince me because honestly I am getting closer to the fence as time has gone by and I'm looking more intently at the possibility of voting for him... at this point I don't think I can.
 10/09/2008 07:51:28 PM · #2
It didn't take much on google to bring up a lot of info on the man. What research have you already done yourself so we don't duplicate efforts?
 10/09/2008 07:55:07 PM · #3
If this was a serious question that you wanted to learn about, you could have actually typed OBAMA in a search engine to find out a great deal of information. (Some threads have asked this exact question)

Message edited by author 2008-10-09 19:56:30.
 10/09/2008 08:01:13 PM · #4
I'm really more interested in getting the points of view of those on here than anything else. Obviously I could google a ton of stuff on obama both pro and con. I want to know what you know and your thinking.
 10/09/2008 08:10:06 PM · #5
What good has Obama done?

Given us a choice and a fighting chance.
10/09/2008 08:15:11 PM · #6
Originally posted by togtog:
What good has Obama done?

Given us a choice and a fighting chance.


Not trying to be critical here but that doesn't help. All your saying is that he is running and that you think he is the best choice. Why?
 10/09/2008 08:30:26 PM · #7
I don't think anyone can say with any certainty how either will act once in the white house.

From what each has said, it appears Obama is against an endless war, and McCain is for it. McCain appears to be for deregulation and Obama appears to be the opposite. If Obama dies, we get Biden, who appears to be well educated and strong.

If McCain dies, we get Palin, who appears to think the white house is just a big house. In diplomatic processes Obama would be willing to sit down and discuss options with the enemy. McCain would demand they agree first... then what is the point of discussing anything?

Obama doesn't seem to be full of himself like Bush is, omg we are superpower, you are for us or against us! On the other hand McCain seems to be.

Again, either of them could screw us over royally and probably will. I don't like Bush and the way he has handled the past 8 years. McCain seems the most like him, Obama seems the least like him.

PS- Bed time for me, I'll try to pick this thread up in the morning if it isn't locked by then ;) night all...
10/09/2008 08:42:11 PM · #8
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Originally posted by togtog:
What good has Obama done?

Given us a choice and a fighting chance.


Not trying to be critical here but that doesn't help. All your saying is that he is running and that you think he is the best choice. Why?


Fine, I'll bite. Here are a few things (not exhaustive, just the first few to hit my head) that I like about Obama...

A) Obama took a stand against going into Iraq in the first place when it was politically unpopular to do so. That speaks volumes about his judgment and willingness to stand strong for an important principle.

B) Personally, I believe that Bush's policies have mixed religion and government WAY too much and the supreme court is far too socially conservative for me, so I want someone like Obama picking justices who will balance out the court picks of Bush.

C) Obama contacted Secretary Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Bernanke two years ago to warn about the importance of addressing subprime lending. Sounds to me like he understood better than McCain that the economy was being put at risk.

D) Early in his career, when most grad's would have stuck with high paying jobs, Obama used his law degree to defend people's civil rights. He has also taught constitutional law, so I think it's fair to say that he understands the law of the land very well and is motivated to defend the rights of average people based on his track record.

E) Obama has demonstrated his understanding that "trickle down" economics literally means the lower classes are being peed upon by the upper classes and plans to change that failed economic policy.
 10/09/2008 08:42:51 PM · #9
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Originally posted by togtog:
What good has Obama done?

Given us a choice and a fighting chance.


Not trying to be critical here but that doesn't help. All your saying is that he is running and that you think he is the best choice. Why?


Not to be snide, but it is all available for the looking... here's a link to a site which asks and answers the very same question link. To some, such as myself, he wasn't my first choice, but now he is my only choice. I do not agree with the Republican platform and probably never will. I believe John McCain is dangerous for this country and if by some miracle he wins, prepare yourself for many more lean, hard years to come.
 10/09/2008 09:05:17 PM · #10
I guess I'm looking for something that isn't really there. I've looked at the links and I'm not seeing anything that persuades me that he is someone I want to run the country. I guess I'll just have to take my chances with voting for McCain even though it is not very palatable. Anybody else want to weigh in? Not sure it will do any good if the best answers are on these links.
 10/09/2008 09:06:14 PM · #11
Originally posted by togtog:
What good has Obama done?

Given us a choice and a fighting chance.


AHEM!!!!
 10/09/2008 09:17:35 PM · #12
i seriously doubt that Obama supporters truly believe that he is most qualified to be president. I think that they hate Bush so much (and therefore republicans) that they have to support the leading democrat by default.
10/09/2008 09:41:15 PM · #13
Originally posted by dponlyme:
I guess I'm looking for something that isn't really there. I've looked at the links and I'm not seeing anything that persuades me that he is someone I want to run the country. I guess I'll just have to take my chances with voting for McCain even though it is not very palatable.

If you were really serious you could have easily looked up a long list of Obama's legislative actions, which include positions on energy, education, government accountability, nuclear safety, healthcare, anti-terrorism, and more. That's not including 619 other bills he's co-sponsored (many bills are trivial for any senator, though). The flip side of asking what good Obama has ever done is asking what McCain has ever done that's good. If you want to compare the two directly, here are the current records for McCain and Obama, respectively. Read the bills they sponsored for a sense of what each is doing that actually matters. The charts of legislative effectiveness are interesting, too.
 10/09/2008 10:16:13 PM · #14
And then there are those hundreds of public appearances during the current campaign, many of which have been documented, broadcasted and discussed. There is the presence of the man.
There is a measure of intelligence paired with compassion and apparent sincerity, not a bad package of assets for someone aspiring to lead.
Not your average presidential candidate, even when we consider history.
Not your average opportunity for any electorate, IMO.

Message edited by author 2008-10-09 23:05:23.
 10/09/2008 10:45:42 PM · #15
Originally posted by JMart:


A) Obama took a stand against going into Iraq in the first place when it was politically unpopular to do so. That speaks volumes about his judgment and willingness to stand strong for an important principle.


What office did Obama hold when he took this infamous stand against going into Iraq?
 10/09/2008 10:54:00 PM · #16
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by JMart:
A) Obama took a stand against going into Iraq in the first place when it was politically unpopular to do so. That speaks volumes about his judgment and willingness to stand strong for an important principle.

What office did Obama hold when he took this infamous stand against going into Iraq?

Unfortunately for 4,000 American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, not the office of President.
 10/09/2008 10:55:58 PM · #17
if we can only judge a person based on his past, or what a person has done, then babies should not be given a chance to grow up at all (dont mind that they might someday grow up into someone important, because they dont have a past record)
 10/09/2008 11:00:07 PM · #18
Originally posted by dponlyme:
I guess I'm looking for something that isn't really there. I've looked at the links and I'm not seeing anything that persuades me that he is someone I want to run the country. I guess I'll just have to take my chances with voting for McCain even though it is not very palatable. Anybody else want to weigh in? Not sure it will do any good if the best answers are on these links.


It appears that you have already made up your mind and are just trying to stir up some... Why don't you take a look at what Obama hasn't done - such as having a direct contribution to the S&L crisis of the 80's ala Keating.
 10/09/2008 11:02:27 PM · #19
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by JMart:
A) Obama took a stand against going into Iraq in the first place when it was politically unpopular to do so. That speaks volumes about his judgment and willingness to stand strong for an important principle.

What office did Obama hold when he took this infamous stand against going into Iraq?

Unfortunately for 4,000 American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, not the office of President.


I think this is what you call game, set, match.
10/09/2008 11:09:43 PM · #20
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by JMart:
A) Obama took a stand against going into Iraq in the first place when it was politically unpopular to do so. That speaks volumes about his judgment and willingness to stand strong for an important principle.

What office did Obama hold when he took this infamous stand against going into Iraq?

Unfortunately for 4,000 American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, not the office of President.


I think this is what you call game, set, match.


Hardly. I think it's what you call a 1/70th state Senator who was only there beause he lost his election for the House of Representatives.

Now before I hear the "you're just a brainwashed Republican" drivel that you're spewing in your noggin at the moment, if I were forced to vote for one of the two I'd probably go Obama at the moment. That being said, I was opposed to the Iraq war. Can I be President?

10/09/2008 11:13:57 PM · #21
Originally posted by Phil:
I was opposed to the Iraq war. Can I be President?

Well you just meet the minimum age requirement, but you'll probably need more than one smart decision to get the necessary votes. ;-)
 10/09/2008 11:16:52 PM · #22
Originally posted by Phil:
That being said, I was opposed to the Iraq war. Can I be President?


Yes.

...but only if you let my sister be vice president...she has a master's in social work and has actually been to Russia.
 10/09/2008 11:18:36 PM · #23
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Phil:
I was opposed to the Iraq war. Can I be President?

Well you just meet the minimum age requirement, but you'll probably need more than one smart decision to get the necessary votes. ;-)


You forgot to add and millions and millions in the bank.
 10/09/2008 11:59:04 PM · #24
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Phil:
I was opposed to the Iraq war. Can I be President?

Well you just meet the minimum age requirement, but you'll probably need more than one smart decision to get the necessary votes. ;-)


You forgot to add and millions and millions in the bank.


dont worry about the monies - we have the mafias and the yakuzas funding them silently.
just make sure they wise-up after they get elected :p
 10/10/2008 01:41:26 PM · #25
Regardless of what some of you might think I was very serious in asking this question. If I wanted to just stir up trouble I could have come up with something more provocative. I think it is just the case that I am not liberal and regardless of how impressive Obama is at giving a speech or charismatic or anything else he is a far left leaning liberal.

I truly wish the republican party had someone like this on their side now that would rally the people. Let's face it, all we have is Sarah Palin and she isn't much to get excited about IMO.

When Obama gets elected, and I think he most probably will, it will only be based on his charisma because in looking at him that is really all that he has. He lacks any kind of proven track record of this 'change' he is supposedly seeking to bring. From his voting record he is completely partisan.

He has some pretty suspect prior associations. The guy threw his pastor of 20 years, who he thought of as family, under the bus because he was a political liability. What assurance do we have that once he is in office that he won't throw the american people under the bus in order to serve his left wing agenda?

Looking at McCain I don't think he knows his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to the economy and what will make it better. His health insurance tax credit is suspect in that apparently they will then tax health care benefits. The whole idea of another 300 billion to buy up distressed mortgages doesn't seem right. Gee I guess I should have bought a house I couldn't afford so the government could bail me out too.

I think the democrats win in the energy department as I think that republicans will do nothing more than try to get the price of gas down and most likely will not be all that successful. Everyone is big on the all-of-the-above answer on this but the democrats are more likely to deliver something substantial for the long haul in this area but that will be crippled by their tax policy which won't make any body any better. He may lower your tax rate but that will be lowered all by itself because you won't have a job, which I now do by the way, for those who know of my PAST financial situation. I'd like to be able to keep it.

I go around and around in my head with all of this stuff and now having written this I still don't know who would be best. I think I will probably vote for McCain simply because he has a better, more substantial, track record of reaching across the aisle to get things done and is closer to the center on most issues. He has leaned quite a bit to the right to garner party support but if he were elected would move right back to the center I think. Obama who is leaning toward the center in the election would also go back to the left if elected. Plus I favor a more conservative supreme court although too much of that is not good either. Oh well, I'm just babbling now.

post edited for readability.

Message edited by author 2008-10-10 13:43:36.
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