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Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-120mm f/4G ED VR

01/23/2009 08:18:47 PM · #126

I would ask, in the spirit of what and how this thread was started, that it be reserved for those who received a comment from Edward that they found to be moving and they want to share it.

There's no need to kill any thread started in the spirit of praise and appreciation.

andrewt

Nikon D810

01/23/2009 08:30:41 PM · #127

Edward ROCKS !!!!

Read this masterpiece

He had been teased endlessly. For most of his school life, it was Big Bill Billy (and wasn't that an unfortunate name his parents had given him), and Billy the Billy Beak, among countless others. Relentless they were, the other children. Relentless and cruel. Day after day, week after week, month after month, and Billy had absorbed it all.

Had absorbed it all until today. He stood there, watching the children exit the school, and his eyes narrowed, and a grin that could wilt a rose grew on his face...

... and his revenge became infamous.

hahn23

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II USM Lens

01/23/2009 08:57:23 PM · #128

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

There have been new threats regarding the next FS challenge. The threat has been reported to the SC. The question is.... can one say absolutely "anything" about an image, with impunity? Furthermore, the threat is.... if the image's author doesn't submit the image's title (or image) to the "writer" prior to the next challenge, then one may be subject to a dark, sadistic, and otherwise fictitious diatribe about the image in the comment box, which I thought was intended for comments of constructive criticism.

As an example, let's say there's an image of a young girl climbing a fence. Is it allowed for a commenter to fabricate a story of parental incest and abuse... and place it in the comment box intended for constructive critique? Is this allowed?

I have become hardened to this subject due to my personal exposure to the "writer's abuse" and means of retribution.

My plea is that there be some limit to what is allowed to be fictionalized about an image.... in the comment box intended for constructive criticism.

Ivo

01/23/2009 09:09:27 PM · #129

Originally posted by hahn23:

Though the example you suggest in the aforementioned statement to be extreme, there is some validity to your concern as this site has been developed for the enjoyment of all those who participate. Now what "enjoyment and participation" entails is an arguement that will certainly end in an ugly impass in the forum "Arena". I know another site I had belonged to had a mechanism similar to "call blocking" which prevented certain members from commenting on your photos. This would be an ideal solution in this case for circumstances like yours. Is it an unreasonable site function to incorporate into the subscriber's preferences and thus end this issue once and for all?? Any site council thoughts on this?

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/23/2009 09:51:21 PM · #130

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by hahn23:

You sure throw around some pretty ugly terms, which I guarantee are incorrect, in support of your lone grievance.

I asked before, and I'll ask again.

Keep your comments civil, sir, and if you have nothing on topic to say, keep it out of this thread.

ETA: If you want to make your case, why don't you start a Rant thread and leave this thread for those of us who appreciate what Edward is doing.

Message edited by author 2009-01-23 21:55:27.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

01/23/2009 10:32:03 PM · #131

Originally posted by hahn23:

let's say there's an image of a young girl climbing a fence. Is it allowed for a commenter to fabricate a story of parental incest and abuse... and place it in the comment box intended for constructive critique? Is this allowed?

Such a comment would be removed as a ToS violation.

There have been no threats. K10 simply stated the obvious: there's no absolutely way for him to know which image is yours, so if you enter you run the risk of getting one of his comments. If that's a problem, then your choices are either don't enter or let him know which one to avoid. Simple as that. You're complaining that you don't want to get any comments from him AND complaining that he asked which image is yours so he can comply. He's bending over backwards to please you without giving up on an activity that so many other members obviously appreciate and value. What else could he possibly do?

Ivo

01/23/2009 11:02:41 PM · #132

Originally posted by scalvert:

There have been no threats. K10 simply stated the obvious: there's no absolutely way for him to know which image is yours, so if you enter you run the risk of getting one of his comments. If that's a problem, then your choices are either don't enter or let him know which one to avoid. Simple as that. You're complaining that you don't want to get any comments from him AND complaining that he asked which image is yours so he can comply. He's bending over backwards to please you without giving up on an activity that so many other members obviously appreciate and value. What else could he possibly do?

Hold on a second here Shannon and consider looking at it this way. NikonJeb, for example, has a clear view on nude content. This was a valid concern for his enjoyment of the site and he now has a mechanism that allows him to filter nudity. Much to the uproar of others, there is an opportunity for a bag to conceal your identity while voting. Why not the same in this case? Why not be granted the opportunity to filter commentary on your creation when you feel it is inappropriate? Neither you, nor I, should be so sanctimonious to qualify another member's values. In this case, I can see some sensitivity associated to the photo that nobody knew. I also recall that there was an uproar last time this event transpired with the same two members. Had K10Guy known which photo was a "No Go" zone, I'm sure he would have steered clear. On the other hand, Hahn had clearly indicated he was strongly displeased with getting these comments well in advance of this challenge.

The million dollar questions here are; Why must one member repeatedly ask another member to stop doing something which they find offensive? Why must the other member maintain lists of members that do not appreciate their input and risk getting blasted when they didn't update their records? All this can be averted with an additional filter and we can all find something else to argue about.

A comment earlier stated that stuff like this is divisive. Yes it is and at times reason enough for people to leave. Remember Hahn paid his $25 as did K10Guy. That should count for something. Should it not?

K3Master

Pentax K-3

Pentax D-FA* 70-200mm f/2.8 ED DC AW

01/23/2009 11:05:26 PM · #133

Originally posted by Ivo:

Originally posted by scalvert:
There have been no threats. K10 simply stated the obvious: there's no absolutely way for him to know which image is yours, so if you enter you run the risk of getting one of his comments. If that's a problem, then your choices are either don't enter or let him know which one to avoid. Simple as that. You're complaining that you don't want to get any comments from him AND complaining that he asked which image is yours so he can comply. He's bending over backwards to please you without giving up on an activity that so many other members obviously appreciate and value. What else could he possibly do?

Hold on a second here Shannon and consider looking at it this way. NikonJeb, for example, has a clear view on nude content. This was a valid concern for his enjoyment of the site and he now has a mechanism that allows him to filter nudity. Much to the uproar of others, there is an opportunity for a bag to conceal your identity while voting. Why not the same in this case? Why not be granted the opportunity to filter commentary on your creation when you feel it is inappropriate? Neither you, nor I, should be so sanctimonious to qualify another member's values. In this case, I can see some sensitivity associated to the photo that nobody knew. I also recall that there was an uproar last time this event transpired with the same two members. Had K10Guy known which photo was a "No Go" zone, I'm sure he would have steered clear. On the other hand, Hahn had clearly indicated he was strongly displeased with getting these comments well in advance of this challenge.

The million dollar questions here are; Why must one member repeatedly ask another member to stop doing something which they find offensive? Why must the other member maintain lists of members that do not appreciate their input and risk getting blasted when they didn't update their records? All this can be averted with an additional filter and we can all find something else to argue about.

A comment earlier stated that stuff like this is divisive. Yes it is and at times reason enough for people to leave. Remember Hahn paid his $25 as did K10Guy. That should count for something. Should it not?

At this moment, I would code something like this into the site myself if I had the ability. I really, really would. In the meantime, I think I can handle keeping tabs on the 4 or 5 people (total) that have noted that they'd rather not get a comment.

If they would let me.

Message edited by author 2009-01-23 23:07:44.

mwwback

Canon EOS-450D Rebel XSi

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

01/23/2009 11:06:32 PM · #134

I was going to title this picture "Firestarter" as a reference to the 1984 Drew Barrymore film. However, I did not think anyone would get the reference. Seems Edward may have ...

K10DGuy:

She leaned back against the fence, and the wind tossed her hair, and she scowled ever so slightly.

How dare they tease her so, those other girls. She tried so hard to be friendly, to get them to accept her, to not pull her hair and call her names and pinch and mock her.

She leaned back against the fence, and the wind tossed her hair, and her mind raced through ways of vengeance, of ways to get back at them, at fantasies of punishment for those horrible girls.

And as her mind raced, her eyes began to burn with an inner fire, and the wind whipped her hair even more, and a sly little grin began to mark her lips. Then, with a slight and almost imperceptible nod of her head, she stood up straight and tall, and walked off, a glow in her eyes, to find a power that had been hidden within, and to start on a path to a destiny that no-one could have foreseen.

GregoryB

Canon EOS-1D Mark III

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

01/23/2009 11:09:43 PM · #135

This is the comment I recieved from

K10DGuy during the Free Study 2008-12 for

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

He woke from the sleep of all his kind, and crawled out onto the nearest platform. The sun shone, and the dew had already fled, so it was a good beginning for him. The right beginning. He spread his sodden wings and let the shine of the sun do its work, a small near unnoticeable mist of steam rose from them as they dried. He raised his head and closed his eyes and let the warmth beat upon him, basking in the new that was his transformation. Reveling in the wonder that was this day.

Then, moments later, a twitch of the wings to test their readiness, and with a slight jump of the blade of grass he was away. Brushing the air with wings that shouldn't be able to move it, the tiniest of breezes pushed off with those wonderous things. The slightest of shock waves felt by nothing but the dust in the air around him.

Days later, in the aftermath of the Tsunami, he settled on a lone flower among the debris, his life nearing the end of its time, never knowing the destruction his birth and life had wrought, in the ever continuing cycle of all things.

What a talent

Message edited by author 2009-01-23 23:12:43.

01/23/2009 11:19:52 PM · #136

Originally posted by Ivo:

Why not the same in this case? Why not be granted the opportunity to filter commentary on your creation when you feel it is inappropriate? Neither you, nor I, should be so sanctimonious to qualify another member's values. In this case, I can see some sensitivity associated to the photo that nobody knew. I also recall that there was an uproar last time this event transpired with the same two members. Had K10Guy known which photo was a "No Go" zone, I'm sure he would have steered clear. On the other hand, Hahn had clearly indicated he was strongly displeased with getting these comments well in advance of this challenge.

Why not have the offended party meet halfway?

He has been afforded every opportunity to let Edward know how to avoid his commentary.

Why should we have to put something special into place because ONE person isn't happy.

He had the instrument in place to prevent this, he chose not to utilize it, by a weird fluke, he got another comment, and he's pissed.

So how on any level is this anyone's problem other than his own, and why is it necessary to continue to engage this issue HERE!!!!

BTW, I like nudes......except draped across a really nice car.....that's just wrong.

Ivo

01/23/2009 11:26:10 PM · #137

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

He has been afforded every opportunity to let Edward know how to avoid his commentary.

Why should we have to put something special into place because ONE person isn't happy.

He had the instrument in place to prevent this, he chose not to utilize it, by a weird fluke, he got another comment, and he's pissed.

So how on any level is this anyone's problem other than his own, and why is it necessary to continue to engage this issue HERE!!!!

BTW, I like nudes......except draped across a really nice car.....that's just wrong.

Well Jeb, when you can argue the other side just as fairly as you argue yours, I'll agree with you. Furthermore, K10Guy has stated there have been 4 or 5 people who have stepped forward so far. This really can be coded instead of fighting ideologies. Where is the love???

chromeydome

Nikon D7000

01/23/2009 11:30:36 PM · #138

If members enter an image in a challenge where comments part of the system, but then after the fact want to censor the comments and/or have the site revamped to block the comments, I guess I can't sympathize with that: if one is so potentially affected by comments that may or may not be posted on an entered image, on a site where commenting on images is fundamental to the site, maybe one shouldn't enter the challenge in the first place.

And if one refuses all reasonable attempts to address the issue short of re-tooling the site, it seems more of a "my way is the only way" approach--not helpful.

Title your image No Comments Wanted #n.

Edward is trying to work within the system, rules, and site features as they currently exist. Surely you do not expect him to stop completely, depriving dozens of members who truly value his contribution, on the off chance that he will INADVERTENTLY and UNINTENTIONALLY post a comment on your image that will damage your delicate sensitivities. He doesn't vote in the challenges--PM him the title in advance, or live with the chance you might get a comment that he will remove upon request. Get OVER it. Deal with it.

The nature of the site, and the mechanisms for commenting, inability to determine which image belongs to whom during voting, and the lack of a feature to censor the comments after the fact were all in place when we each paid our $25. If there is a site elsewhere with all the features you want, maybe that is where you should spend your money, instead of coming into a celebratory/thankful thread to spoil things for others here? As the Originator of this thread requested more than once, THIS is a thread to share and enjoy the comments. Open a Rant thread if you must.

And the wild exaggerations of dark sinister commenting and threats does not enhance credibility. It really doesn't. In my opinion, though you may have felt "hurt" by his comment existing temporarily on your image, your subsequent posts are doing far more damage to yourself here.

chromeydome

Nikon D7000

01/23/2009 11:34:05 PM · #139

Alas, my own Best of Entry is Un-K10DGuy-Commentable !! (sort of double-dog-daring him to have a go at it :-)

chromeydome

Nikon D7000

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/23/2009 11:38:29 PM · #140

Originally posted by chromeydome:

Alas, my own Best of Entry is Un-K10DGuy-Commentable !! (sort of double-dog-daring him to have a go at it :-)

HAH--the old Double Dog Dare works every time: He tried :-)

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

In a time, when... no.

In a land where... no.

On a world that... no.

Damn.

You're right. This is completely un-me-commentable ;)

Message edited by author 2009-01-23 23:38:54.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

01/24/2009 12:13:27 AM · #141

Originally posted by Ivo:

Why not be granted the opportunity to filter commentary on your creation when you feel it is inappropriate?

ToS 4.5: "You understand that by using the Website, you may be exposed to content that is offensive, indecent or objectionable."

Users can't hide comments they don't like for the same reason they can't toss out votes they don't like. The potential for abuse should be obvious. If the comment violates the ToS, we'll take it out. If not, you're welcome to politely PM the author with your concerns (most people are happy to oblige). If it's none of the above, a comment that's generally not offensive that you simply don't like, then don't mark it helpful or ignore it. IMO, maintaining a variety of opinions on the entries is a greater value to the community as a learning resource than giving everyone the ability hide whatever they don't like.

Jessi

Mamiya 645Pro TL

Mamiya 80mm f/2.8

01/24/2009 01:09:19 AM · #142

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Okay......I'm OP, so I get to make a statement here......

I like what Edward is doing; so do MOST of the other people here.

He takes time to leave a creative comment based on how the image inspires him.

Wow.....that really sucks, huh?

I constantly hear whining and grumbling because people don't leave comments.

And you want to get fussy about comments from a man who not only takes the time to comment on an image, but does so purely for the reason that the image has moved him in some way.

One of his comments, on this image, moved me to tears because he dealt with the pain and anguish associated with Alzheimer's......the pain and anguish that I'm watching my mother in law go through right now.

"He put his head in his hands in despair. Something that used to be so simple, was now so out of reach. Smacking the table in anger, followed by a tear of pure frustration, he struggled so hard to remember. So hard to recollect.

As his nurse came to place a blanket around his shoulders and lead him into bed, the tears fell a little more freely. Perhaps tomorrow it would return to him. Sometimes it did, you know. Sometimes it was like he was 20 again. Today, however, was not that day, and as he drifted off to sleep, sorrow in his heart and frustration in his brain, he prayed to whatever would hear him that tomorrow would be that day.

That tomorrow he'd be able to remember his daughter's name once again."

I lost my mother when I was 20; my mother in law IS the mother that I've had since I was 23, and it breaks my heart, and my wife's heart, to say nothing of my daughter losing her grandmother to the disease of dementia/Alzheimer's.

But very rarely do people remember to think about what the people who live in their heads with it must feel like almost every day.

Edward reminded me of that, and though my heart broke a little more, I was truly humbled by how this insightful man brought out that thought just from the impression this image made on him.

Edward makes you laugh, cry, think, remember, and just in general pause and take a moment to realize the powerful impression that what we do can make on others.

To say that one of his comments is mean-spirited and/or hurtful completely misses the point.......what your image has done is to draw out the story that it inspires in Edward.

If you don't want to see that, well.......I'm kind of sad for you.......it's a shame you cannot see them for the true gifts that they are.

My only question to you, who does not appreciate an in depth description of the impact that your image made is......what do you want from a comment if not the effect your image had on the viewer?

Edward, you know you have my utmost gratitude, delight, and appreciation for your work....I hope that you continue.

I agree completely with what was said here. I don't think anyone saw it because of the argument, which is sad.

You may now continue with your regularly scheduled thread. :):)

fwiw, I await with great anticipation the day that one of my entries will merit a K10DGuy comment.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

01/24/2009 01:34:55 AM · #143

Originally posted by Jessi:

fwiw, I await with great anticipation the day that one of my entries will merit a K10DGuy comment.

I just hope he realizes that if one of those stories ends up on one of my pictures, I'll probably be printing it up as a card or poster with the text included. :-)

phlover

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L IS USM

01/24/2009 10:54:32 AM · #144

This is a comment K10DGuy left me on this photo Awakening
At first I thought it was just a joke but then I realized it was him describing beautifully the story behind the picture.

It... was just before dawn.

It... Came out of nowhere.

Its hunger was unsatiated, and none survived that day. The day of the coming of the Creature of the Canal.

Message edited by author 2009-01-24 10:56:19.

bvy

Sigma DP1x

01/24/2009 11:51:16 AM · #145

Now that the dust has settled (hopefully) allow me to share my

K10DGuy comment:

They had searched for him everywhere. When he disappeared the night before, after an argument that resulted in screams and tears and slammed doors, they thought that he'd just gone out to blow off some steam. They'd figured he'd be back once he'd calmed down, and thought things through and needed to be back in safer arms and a warm bed.

However, as the night wore on, and morning approached, and there was still no sign of him, they began to fear. The worry stretched in to anxiety, which then stretched into panic. The authorities were called, and by early evening the next day, the search parties were out. They combed the woods, they called the friends, they searched the stores and theaters and hospitals, but no trace was found.

Then, in the wee hours of that next morning, while darkness still lay over the land, the phone rang. Tearfully, his mother picked it up, and broke into a flood of emotion as she heard his voice.

"Mama, I'm so sorry, I just want to come home."

---

In my photo comments, I mention almost naming the photo "Lost" or "The Runaway" or something like that, but I decided not to prejudice the viewer and left it open for interpretation. So Edward's comment was confirmation that the story was conveyed more or less the way I was hoping it would be.

Edward, this had to take every ounce of creative energy you had this week. Thank you for the time and thought you put into this project.

Message edited by author 2009-01-24 11:51:42.

BarbB

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/24/2009 11:51:32 AM · #146

I was delighted to recieve this comment on my image, 'Spring'

Thanks for taking the time

K10DGuy

At the end of their hope when despair came to call, they turned to her in a desperate plea for help. They turned to her even after they had shunned her. They turned to her even after they had turned her away because of the powers she had. Because of the gifts. They turned to her because there was nothing more they could do, and lives were at stake and their very existence was in the balance.

Yet even after all they had done, all they had said to her, for every horrible deed that was their shame that had been visited upon her simply because she was different, did she turn from them herself, then?

Not her. They came to her, and she smiled and bowed her head, and agreed to help them, for that was her very nature. Indeed, it was part of her very gifts, and powered them and let her do what she needed to do. So it was thus that she went out, in a ceremonial white, and began to dance. A dance of offering, of giving. A dance of asking and honor and hope. A dance for the giving of life in the form of the rains that they so desperately needed.

For days she danced, and as she did the skies grew dark and the clouds swirled over-head. As she did the droplets came, and built into the torrents that fed the soil and healed the dry and cracking lands. Through it all she danced. For days, while the earth soaked it all, and the grasses began to grow, and the rivers began to run once more.

Then, as quickly as it had began, she slowly spun to a stop, and the clouds parted, and the sun began to shine, and she, in her gossamer gown that remained as dry as it had when she began, spread her arms and walked off into that very sun as it set upon the horizon, and they never saw her again.

neophyte

Nikon D810

01/25/2009 12:54:54 AM · #147

Originally posted by hahn23:

[The forum rules keep me from commenting further.

I mark the helpful comments as "helpful". 2140/2571 = 83% helpful. It's true that I don't mark the "not helpful" messages at all. Is that somehow against the rules? [/quote]

You're kidding? right? only 83% of the comments you receive praise the photos. No, its not against the rules (and neither are the comments you're complaining about)but it does indicate what kind of comment you're looking for....it's really a shame...Too bad that you can't be as open minded to K10's comments as you hope people will be about your photography.