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Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

09/22/2008 06:14:41 PM · #51

Originally posted by yospiff:

Warning: ahead.

LOL @ that!! HAHAH

Right to answer the serious side of the post though, I feel it fairer to at least mark something out of a possible 9 points / 2 and then rounded up which gives a possible 5 points available to a DNMC (which admittedly would only be DNMC IMHO) than many peoples methods which I suspect would be to simply give it a 1 or a 2.

I try and give some serious thought to a picture before I consider it DNMC anyway and attempt to look at what the photog might have been trying to portray in the image, having been on the harsh end of some votes I certainly don't like dishing out low scores as I know how annoying they are - especially when you consider the shot to be technically sound.

sher

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

09/22/2008 06:23:47 PM · #52

I think everyone should develop their own criteria for voting because one size just might NOT fit all. For myself, I've learned that "technicals" don't matter nearly as much as how an image makes me feel. I look for photos that want to tell a story. Cold, sterile and even the usual "WOW" photos just don't appeal much to me anymore. For that reason, the voting methods that others have listed wouldn't work for me...and they may not work for someone else. Find your own style and don't let others tell you how to vote. As long as you give each image proper consideration and vote your honest opinion, you're not wrong.

Message edited by author 2008-09-22 18:24:50.

09/22/2008 06:26:41 PM · #53

Glad I sparked some discussion through my mistake haha :D Seems like some people are benefiting from the guidelines/opinions posted by others.

Mark-A

09/22/2008 06:44:03 PM · #54

Originally posted by stevewlk:

Glad I sparked some discussion through my mistake haha :D Seems like some people are benefiting from the guidelines/opinions posted by others.

Ahh mate one thing you will come to see at DPC is massive amounts of debate LOL just watch out for every Tuesday and Sunday for examples of this... Normally in threads entitled something along the lines of Abstract Emotion??????????????????????? or simliar with the new challenge entry in the title ;)

DJWoodward

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

09/22/2008 07:21:17 PM · #55

Welcome Steve,

I�ll add my $0.02 to the discussion�

I use the entire available scale to give myself ten differentiations of my Bad-Good. My Bad-Good will not be and doesn�t have to be the same as your Bad-Good. The different perspectives are what make DPC great. I just don�t understand why a voter would limit himself or herself to less than the ten segregations of voting?

An average score of less than 3 would indicate that the upper half (or so) of the scale is being reserved for images with quality that has never yet been seen but might miraculously appear in the future. It also implies to me that there�s little room to see any shots worse than the voter has already seen. Using only the bottom (or top)third of the scale limits the voter more than the photographer.

That�s not to say that I use the entire scale in every challenge. My scores are usually pretty normally distributed with most votes in the center of the scale and fewer at the ends. Ones and Tens are rare but I do keep the full range available for use.

Ok, that all been my opinion and you can do with it as you will; you�re entitled to use whatever voting style you wish. I suggest that you don�t limit yourself but whatever you do, do it consistently that�s what�s most important.

Yo_Spiff

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

09/22/2008 11:03:43 PM · #56

Originally posted by stevewlk:

Glad I sparked some discussion through my mistake haha :D Seems like some people are benefiting from the guidelines/opinions posted by others.

And that is what they are, is opinions. No one intends to tell you what your personal criteria is, just to illustrate their own in case it helps you formulate what you believe is fair.

BTW, I think you should change your profile pic to a smiley, now that you have established notoriety as "the smiley bandit". Welcome to the funhouse! (Or is it a madhouse?)

rasras

Nikon D50

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

09/23/2008 06:07:16 AM · #57

Originally posted by sher:

I think everyone should develop their own criteria for voting because one size just might NOT fit all. Find your own style and don't let others tell you how to vote. As long as you give each image proper consideration and vote your honest opinion, you're not wrong.

I understand.
It's definatly a good starting point for me voteing more consistantly.
Before I was more compareing to others in the challenge
Thank you for the advice.

MAK

Leica M Monochrom

Voigtlander Ultron 21mm f1.8

09/23/2008 06:28:07 AM · #58

Votes Cast: 486
Avg Vote Cast: 2.3807

That says it all, my lips are sealed.

Rino63

Canon EOS-50D

Tamron AF 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di II for Canon

09/23/2008 06:56:40 AM · #59

Originally posted by MAK:

Votes Cast: 486
Avg Vote Cast: 2.3807

That says it all, my lips are sealed.

effectively 2.38 seems too much low..... from personal point of view seems me that from some month the average photo quality is a bit deteriorated and the average votes are a bit lower from the dpc standard. In some challenge,expecially the challenge with few photographs, I see that there are photographs submitted only because there are few photos(is this mine impression?). could be that the challenge are few interesting, that the best photographers haven't time or don't want submit something. But this could be only a mine personal and wrong point of view.

darnold

Tamron AF 18-250mm F/3.5-6.3 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Canon

09/23/2008 11:41:40 AM · #60

Originally posted by MAK:

Votes Cast: 486
Avg Vote Cast: 2.3807

That says it all, my lips are sealed.

Since you are new here, Steve, maybe you don't know that you can go back after voting and readjust your votes before the challenge ends. Frankly, I am always in awe here over the talent of these photographers compared to other sites and I simply don't understand how you can find nothing that appeals to your keen sense of artistry. Sorry, I cannot applaud your ability to draw a smiley face while giving somebody a 1... you might as well have drawn a little middle finger to the talented people here.

Beetle

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

09/23/2008 11:57:26 AM · #61

Originally posted by stevewlk:

Glad I sparked some discussion through my mistake haha :D Seems like some people are benefiting from the guidelines/opinions posted by others.

Actually you didn't invent the wheel here, it has been discussed many times before.

What is REALLY going on here is this: people are trying to point out to you in a roundabout and very polite way, that you are being awfully harsh. Overall, DPC submissions are of a high standard, and deserve way better than 2.3 on a scale of 1 - 10.
The average of that scale is 5.5, and you're only dishing out half of THAT!

If somebody thinks that the photos around here truly deserve such a low score, I don't understand why they would bother hanging around with such a bunch of losers, surely it would be better to find a place that is more to their liking.

darnold

Tamron AF 18-250mm F/3.5-6.3 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Canon

09/23/2008 01:26:07 PM · #62

Originally posted by Beetle:

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If somebody thinks that the photos around here truly deserve such a low score, I don't understand why they would bother hanging around with such a bunch of losers, surely it would be better to find a place that is more to their liking.

Bravo.

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

09/23/2008 07:50:16 PM · #63

I think Steve's spree as the "smiley bandit" was an attempt at levity. I see he's been going back and adding comments (At least I think it's him, it a baghead right now.)The second comment he left on my entry was actually well thought out and lined up closely with what a long term member had also commented on the same entry.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

09/23/2008 08:16:06 PM · #64

I actually haven't changed any of my votes nor added any new comments. So it's not me :P I only voted on 4 challenges (ever) and my votes stand the way I voted. But I have definitely acquired how DPC votes and how important leaving a helpful comment is so I won't be making that mistake in the future. I was just real excited to be on DPC and vote on some challenges, didn't understand the structure at the time but now I do. So with that said... =]

Prash

Nikon D90

09/23/2008 08:17:07 PM · #65

Originally posted by stevewlk:

Remembering my first days at DPC, I remember getting confusing posts on the forum (most of them helpful, I thanked many on my profile page, and some in the forums). I think Steve just needs some encouragement and guidance that I was lucky enough to get. It is just my opinion that a new member needs more guidance and encouragement than hard criticism... at least not until they understand how things work. Methinks give him a few challenges and he will shine.

Go Steve!

09/23/2008 08:19:11 PM · #66

My voting will be based on similar guideline systems that are posted on this thread, and each photo will be rated equally and on a much less of a hard scale than I originally had thought to do. Everyone's comments here were helpful to a new DPC user.

09/23/2008 08:20:04 PM · #67

Thanks Prash!

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

09/23/2008 08:21:32 PM · #68

Also, definitely a lot of good information here in the Tutorial section. There is a lot to take in at first but all the information on DPC appears to be very useful. A good community =]

Yo_Spiff

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

09/23/2008 09:48:34 PM · #69

I guess the second "baghead" comment was from someone who had previously voted and was now following up with comments.

MAK

Leica M Monochrom

Voigtlander Ultron 21mm f1.8

09/24/2008 02:34:35 AM · #70

Votes Cast: 274
Avg Vote Cast: 2.3796

Nice to see the vote scrubber doing its job.

rinac

Pentax K20D

Pentax SMC-F 50mm f/1.7

09/24/2008 03:12:01 AM · #71

Does anyone remember the "Great Job Baggie"? If I remember correctly, she left short comments as a place holder for herself to go back later and elaborate anyway, and as far as I could understand from what was being said in the forums at the time, she wasn't even low-balling those images with sub 3 votes. She was torn to shreds for leaving "Great job!" comments and was made to go back and change them otherwise she would have been in strife for artificially inflating her stats (or something like that).

So, what's good for the goose.......

kaiser_chief

Nikon D90

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5D

09/24/2008 04:01:43 AM · #72

Well, time for my two cents for what its worth after following this thread since the start

Firstly, I think the voting criteria people use has been done to death in other forums. If you are interested, go read them. On that point, my average vote given is somewhere close to 5.0, which is a place I am comfortable with it.

BUT..........
Why have people been marking the Stupid Smiley face (:]) as helpful?? It clearly isn't. It gives no feedback. Recently there has been a push to increase the amount of comments. However, I feel a number of people are giving comments that are of little help, and are just doing them to boost the amount of comments or to get 100% comments in a challange. The immovable challenge was a prime example. I got plenty of comments, but very little substance in them (a few exeptions to this of course).

I support any moves for more comments, Provided the comments are Usful. I do not find Nice Shot, :], good photo is in anyway helpful. If you are going to comment, spend some time doing so. Mention what you like and don't like about the photo. Comment on things like the lighting, composition, Depth of Field, Colour, Post Processing, how it meets the challenge etc (don't have to do all of them, but something at least), but at least give the photographer something so that they know a little of what you are thinking, and what you either like or don't like, so that maybe they can use this feedback to improve. Don't aim to comment all the photos. Go through and vote (comment a few as you go) and come back during the week to add more comments. If you get 100% comments giving really insightful ones, I am sure the community will be very grateful.

The Perfect way to do this is to only mark the comments that are truely helpful as helpful, and to try and ensure the comments you give are helpful, insightful, and aimed at giving true feedback so the person can improve.

Mark-A

09/24/2008 04:39:46 AM · #73

Originally posted by kaiser_chief:

BUT..........
Why have people been marking the Stupid Smiley face (:]) as helpful?? It clearly isn't. It gives no feedback. Recently there has been a push to increase the amount of comments. However, I feel a number of people are giving comments that are of little help, and are just doing them to boost the amount of comments or to get 100% comments in a challange.

I didn't mark that one as helpful as I saw it as a stupid comment on a spiteful score, but I do know many other people track their score and when a score is amended +/- any comment associated with the score is UNmarked as helpful so you can sometimes see who has altered their vote, why this really matters though is unknown to me ;)

ETA: Speeellliiiiing

Message edited by author 2008-09-24 04:40:22.

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D