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Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

09/23/2008 12:54:03 AM · #151

Here is a direct link to the Canon site where the video "everyone is talking about" (by Vincent Laforet) can be found.

Enjoy!

Message edited by author 2008-09-23 00:54:34.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

09/23/2008 02:06:19 AM · #152

Originally posted by dwterry:

Here is a direct link to the Canon site where the video "everyone is talking about" (by Vincent Laforet) can be found.

Enjoy!

Holy freaking crap. We may have to have a secondary DMC site after this...

Mick

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

09/23/2008 02:57:57 AM · #153

Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by Mick:
I love early adopters. They're like guinea pigs with credit cards. :D

It's true they incur some risk... I normally don't jump early for that precise reason, but I broke my rule when the 5D was announced, and three years later I'm very happy I did, even though I paid MSRP. Given the introductory price for the 5DII, it is tempting to jump again, but I won't since the 5D is still doing exceptionally well for me. I *will* very seriously look at the 5DII in the Spring, once we have a few months of experience with it. By that time I'll have updated my computer and perhaps it will actually be able to deal with the monster files from that thing :-P

I was just joking around. Actually, I would already have a 5DII on order if I wasn't afraid of my wife. :D

One of the really nice things about buying bodies early is that you get to enjoy them for a whole year or two before they're outdated.

Jedusi

09/23/2008 05:04:08 AM · #154

so my question remains from earlier in this thread - since it runs at 3.5 fps on 21mp, if Canon wanted to let it run at say 6 fps on sRAW, would that be a hardware issue or could they release a software fix to bump the speed ?

I think it would increase the versatility even more if you could kept the slower frame rate for Portraits, Landscapes etc - but could up it for smaller faster action type shots.

MilesW

Canon EOS-1D Mark III

09/23/2008 06:57:47 AM · #155

Originally posted by Jedusi:

It could be a mechanical, hardware or marketing issue. Mechanical if the shutter/pentaprism isn't up to it (to save cost :-O ), hardware if the bottleneck is getting all that info off the sensor (resizing being done later) or marketing if someone wants clear water between the 5DII and the 1D.

Only Canon know for sure, and I bet they won't say :-)

Jedusi

09/23/2008 09:01:11 AM · #156

Originally posted by MilesW:

Originally posted by Jedusi:
so my question remains from earlier in this thread - since it runs at 3.5 fps on 21mp, if Canon wanted to let it run at say 6 fps on sRAW, would that be a hardware issue or could they release a software fix to bump the speed ?

I think it would increase the versatility even more if you could kept the slower frame rate for Portraits, Landscapes etc - but could up it for smaller faster action type shots.

It could be a mechanical, hardware or marketing issue. Mechanical if the shutter/pentaprism isn't up to it (to save cost :-O ), hardware if the bottleneck is getting all that info off the sensor (resizing being done later) or marketing if someone wants clear water between the 5DII and the 1D.

Only Canon know for sure, and I bet they won't say :-)

Hmmm -

1)Mechanical - the shutter not being upto it - hmmm think I'll discount this when both the 50D below it and the 1D3 above it can both manage that speed.

2)hardware if the bottleneck is getting all that info off the sensor (resizing being done later) - possibly.

3) marketing if someone wants clear water between the 5DII and the 1D. Seems more likely, but the question is whether they want to keep clear water between their own products - or clear water between themselves and Nikon. If it is the latter it might pay them to think about it.

nova

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 35mm f/1.4L USM

09/23/2008 09:06:48 AM · #157

Originally posted by kirbic:

Also check this... Vincent Laforet had his hands on a 5DII for 72 hours and managed to produce a video in that time. He's looking for a place to host it. Read down for his comments on the performance of the 5DII in video mode.

The video is finally out, being hosted by SmugMug. I know zip about video, but it looks phenomenal to me. I've cancelled my 50D order btw.

pamelasue

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

09/23/2008 09:29:46 AM · #158

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by dwterry:
Here is a direct link to the Canon site where the video "everyone is talking about" (by Vincent Laforet) can be found.

Enjoy!

Holy freaking crap. We may have to have a secondary DMC site after this...

You can say that again, Batman! That video is incredible!

Prof_Fate

09/23/2008 09:38:57 AM · #159

Originally posted by Jedusi:

Hmmm -

1)Mechanical - the shutter not being upto it - hmmm think I'll discount this when both the 50D below it and the 1D3 above it can both manage that speed.

TO get the higher shutter speeds of the 40D,1D3, etc they use two motors on the shutter - one to open and one to close. They don't need the expense/complexity/failure potential of that on at 3 or 4 FPS.

Originally posted by Jedusi:

2)hardware if the bottleneck is getting all that info off the sensor (resizing being done later) - possibly.

Hardware as in buffer should not be a problem at the lower resolutions - they could certainly do sRAW or JPGs at a faster rate if they wanted to.

Originally posted by Jedusi:

3) marketing if someone wants clear water between the 5DII and the 1D. Seems more likely, but the question is whether they want to keep clear water between their own products - or clear water between themselves and Nikon. If it is the latter it might pay them to think about it.

Some nikons (D80 for one) don't use a mechanical shutter for everything they do - they can HSS sync at 1/8000 because of this, like P&S cameras don't have a shutter. And during live view there is no closed shutter just like a P&S, so it's most certainly possible. The use the mirrors in the pentaprism assembly for focus on SLRs so that might have to be changed to focus with the shutter open. Nikon uses some sort of focusing scheme but it's not fast. Don't know what if anything canon has done for focusing in movie mode - perhaps it's all manual?

smurfguy

09/23/2008 10:26:27 AM · #160

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Originally posted by Jedusi:

2)hardware if the bottleneck is getting all that info off the sensor (resizing being done later) - possibly.

Hardware as in buffer should not be a problem at the lower resolutions - they could certainly do sRAW or JPGs at a faster rate if they wanted to.

Given everything I've read, getting 21MP worth of data off the sensor is almost certainly the bottleneck. And it's more than likely that the highly developed circuits to perform these reads doesn't simply scale linearly, i.e. because certain processes are serialized. Besides, if you expect sRAW to have less noise, it needs to get all the data off the sensor, then scale the image down.

However, they obviously have some mechanism of getting smaller images off the sensor faster, as evidenced by movie mode (1920x1080 at 30fps). But my guess is that is a highly specialized case and the argument doesn't hold linearly on the resolution scale.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

09/23/2008 10:40:07 AM · #161

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

oh YEAH!!! you getting one Doc? I know I am after seeing this.

Message edited by author 2008-09-23 10:40:14.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

09/23/2008 11:29:07 AM · #162

Originally posted by AlexSaberi:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by dwterry:
Here is a direct link to the Canon site where the video "everyone is talking about" (by Vincent Laforet) can be found.

Enjoy!

Holy freaking crap. We may have to have a secondary DMC site after this...

oh YEAH!!! you getting one Doc? I know I am after seeing this.

I won't be pre-ordering. Funds are tight at the moment. But I'm hoping maybe early spring.

Leica 35mm f/1.4 Summilux M Aspherical MF - Black

09/23/2008 11:51:51 AM · #163

yeah should have dropped a 2 or 3 hundred dollars by then

Jedusi

09/23/2008 11:58:17 AM · #164

maybe we should arrange a gtg in America for all the Brits to go and buy their 5DII's - and still save money on the UK price :- )

scarbrd

Leica M10

09/23/2008 03:12:22 PM · #165

Does anyone know if there is a crop factor for the video, or does it use the full 35mm sensor size?

digitalpins

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

09/23/2008 03:23:05 PM · #166

this camera looks amazing..... i think this may be my next one sometime in the future.... lol cant stop drooling over it

nova

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 35mm f/1.4L USM

09/23/2008 03:31:38 PM · #167

Placed my order earlier today at canogacamera.com - the lady said that they have pre-orders for maybe 25 units so far and that they never know how many of any product that Canon will ship to them. It'll almost certainly be back-ordered for awhile.

edit to add: ...so in the meantime I'm shopping for a computer to handle it! One site said that the video function records about 47 megabits (?) per second!

Message edited by author 2008-09-23 15:33:20.

mirdonamy

09/23/2008 05:01:54 PM · #168

I was planning on pre-ordering one too, but I got laid off a few weeks ago. No jobs for me anywhere.. I guess I have to wait. I hope I find work soon. I need to pay rent, then buy this camera!

Simms

09/23/2008 05:21:23 PM · #169

Gonna get this.. damn, can you imagine the possibilities with this beast..

Where are all the Nikon owners now.. conspicuous by their very absence.. :)

Saberi - can you image some of the imagery you could capture at Richmond on a misty Autumnal morning with a 70-200 f2.8 attached.. oh man.

09/23/2008 05:29:35 PM · #170

Originally posted by Simms:

forget that - what about our home videos. imagine the possibilities! oh YEAH!!!

Simms

09/23/2008 05:30:22 PM · #171

Originally posted by AlexSaberi:

Originally posted by Simms:
Gonna get this.. damn, can you imagine the possibilities with this beast..

Where are all the Nikon owners now.. conspicuous by their very absence.. :)

Saberi - can you image some of the imagery you could capture at Richmond on a misty Autumnal morning with a 70-200 f2.8 attached.. oh man.

forget that - what about our home videos. imagine the possibilities! oh YEAH!!!

oh wow!! have to put a macro lens on the list as well now.. worth it though.

09/23/2008 05:31:57 PM · #172

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by AlexSaberi:

Originally posted by Simms:
Gonna get this.. damn, can you imagine the possibilities with this beast..

Where are all the Nikon owners now.. conspicuous by their very absence.. :)

Saberi - can you image some of the imagery you could capture at Richmond on a misty Autumnal morning with a 70-200 f2.8 attached.. oh man.

forget that - what about our home videos. imagine the possibilities! oh YEAH!!!

oh wow!! have to put a macro lens on the list as well now.. worth it though.

I will make u look good with my 16-35. :-)

Message edited by author 2008-09-23 17:32:19.

Simms

09/23/2008 05:32:49 PM · #173

Originally posted by AlexSaberi:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by AlexSaberi:

Originally posted by Simms:
Gonna get this.. damn, can you imagine the possibilities with this beast..

Where are all the Nikon owners now.. conspicuous by their very absence.. :)

Saberi - can you image some of the imagery you could capture at Richmond on a misty Autumnal morning with a 70-200 f2.8 attached.. oh man.

forget that - what about our home videos. imagine the possibilities! oh YEAH!!!

oh wow!! have to put a macro lens on the list as well now.. worth it though.

I will make u look good with my 16-35. :-)

har de har har

smurfguy

09/23/2008 05:33:41 PM · #174

TMI from the UK crew. =)

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Does anyone know if there is a crop factor for the video, or does it use the full 35mm sensor size?

From the looks of the DPReview screenshots, it looks like it uses the whole sensor (aka, whole field of view of the lens), minus top-and-bottom for 16:9, and minus the sides for 4:3.

...

Judi