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Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 12-24mm f/4.0G IF-ED

09/18/2008 10:49:39 AM · #101

This camera could make a Nikon guy think of switching! But I'll wiat as Sony has come out wiht a high pixel count sensor that I'm sure will show up soon in the next version of the Nikon FF. Got to love the body wars between the two..

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

09/18/2008 11:43:40 AM · #102

Originally posted by dwterry:

does sRaw do pixel averaging? And if so, will that automatically hide some of the inherent noise? In other words, will sRaw show BETTER high iso performance than standard raw?

Originally posted by Mr_Pants:

Would shooting at full-res and then downsizing later help reduce noise any better, I wonder?

Noise is randomness in the image. Averaging reduces randomness. However, there are many downsampling algorithms (linear, bicubic, sharpen, etc), and I'm sure some are better than others at reducing noise.

sRAW will surely have less noise than full RAW, so the question becomes, did Canon implement a good downsampling algorithm? That is, it would be interesting to see if the in-camera sRAW does comparably at downsampling a full-res RAW as you could do in PP, where you have a powerful CPU and many downsampling options.

MattO

Nikon D4

09/18/2008 11:55:19 AM · #103

Amazon is now taking pre-orders for $2699.99

Matt

Edit to add the .99 :D

Message edited by author 2008-09-18 11:55:51.

09/18/2008 12:07:19 PM · #104

Originally posted by MattO:

Amazon is now taking pre-orders for $2699.99

Matt

Edit to add the .99 :D

Thanks for the note. Beings that I can cancel at any time, and Amazon ships first come, first served, my order is in. =D

togtog

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

09/18/2008 12:33:18 PM · #105

Originally posted by jbsmithana:

It depends on what you are looking for really. The 5D in almost every respect is a studio camera first and foremost and is obviously aimed at the prosumer medium format market. It looks like it is going to rock for that purpose.

However I'll hold off bets until someone actually tests it but Nikon's D700 probably has far better noise and dynamic range. It also has twice the FPS. Better for outdoors shots, landscapes and such.

Also do you need 21mp? Most magazines don't need over 11-12mp for full page photos, most stock sites don't need over 12mp either. You can crop yes, but remember when you crop you will enlarge any flaws with your lens, specks of dust will be larger, camera shake will be more noticeable.

So it really is a matter of what you shoot the most and how you work. Just don't fall into the more megapixels is always better group. :)

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

09/18/2008 12:45:16 PM · #106

Originally posted by togtog:

Also do you need 21mp?

In the landscape world, the answer is yes. Competing with a 30x40 MF enlargement is a scary proposition. The current 5D, truthfully, was not quite up to the task.

togtog

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

09/18/2008 12:51:00 PM · #107

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by togtog:
Also do you need 21mp?

In the landscape world, the answer is yes. Competing with a 30x40 MF enlargement is a scary proposition. The current 5D, truthfully, was not quite up to the task.

Actually I meant him specifically. I can see the applications but if he isn't enlarging and is just drooling over high-mp then it might not be a wise investment is all. :)

Btw, you have something on your nose.

jbsmithana

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 12-24mm f/4.0G IF-ED

09/18/2008 01:51:30 PM · #108

Originally posted by togtog:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by togtog:
Also do you need 21mp?

In the landscape world, the answer is yes. Competing with a 30x40 MF enlargement is a scary proposition. The current 5D, truthfully, was not quite up to the task.

Actually I meant him specifically. I can see the applications but if he isn't enlarging and is just drooling over high-mp then it might not be a wise investment is all. :)

Btw, you have something on your nose.

Actually the abiltiy to have MF quality for landscape was what I was referring to. I'm looking at a D300 for my wildlife shooting hoping it will give better noise performace than my current D200, which sucks above ISO 400. Although I do not print many shots above 13x19 I would love to have the ability.

NstiG8tr

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

09/18/2008 05:10:50 PM · #109

Originally posted by smurfguy:

Beings that I can cancel at any time, and Amazon ships first come, first served, my order is in. =D

Mine too :-)

robs

Canon EOS R6 Mk II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

09/18/2008 05:57:17 PM · #110

Okay - Enough of the trivia.... Is it time we started pushing for in body IS cause now the HD movies will be worse without that built in IS (I am guessing but wonder if the IS lenses function in movie mode?) :-)

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

09/18/2008 06:17:09 PM · #111

Why wouldn't IS work in movie mode? My understanding is that it does and that is one of the benefits to Canon's movie mode as compared to your average camcorder out there. (disclaimer: I'm not a video guy, I may be clueless here!)

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

09/18/2008 06:20:17 PM · #112

Originally posted by dwterry:

Typically the IS on a lens only activates for 3 seconds when you half-press the shutter button.

09/18/2008 06:35:45 PM · #113

Yeah, finally some 5D2 high ISO samples: @ 3200 @ 6400@ 12800

09/18/2008 06:35:48 PM · #114

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by dwterry:
Why wouldn't IS work in movie mode? My understanding is that it does and that is one of the benefits to Canon's movie mode as compared to your average camcorder out there. (disclaimer: I'm not a video guy, I may be clueless here!)

Typically the IS on a lens only activates for 3 seconds when you half-press the shutter button.

I believe IS is also fairly rough on the battery.

Another question surrounding movie mode is how does it handle exposure. One would hope it has an exposure lock, but who knows.

It's a bit annoying that DPReview's hands-on preview only has 3 sentences about movie mode:

Originally posted by DPReview:

The 5D Mark II allows movies to be shot by selecting the movie display and pressing the 'SET' button to start shooting. Still images can be grabbed at any point during movie recording by pressing the shutter button, though doing so creates a one second gap in the video for each still taken. Contrast-detect AF is available during video capture, however it's pretty slow.

That's all you can say about this brand new feature people are sure to be curious about?

You have to pick through the entire review to piece together all the interesting bits/limitations about movie mode:
- 1080p 30fps video, 12 minute max
- VGA 30fps video, 24 minute max
- Can take stills while in movie mode, but it creates a 1 second gap in the movie
- Can auto-focus during movie mode, though "slowly" using contrast detect
- Does record sound, and has an audio input jack
- Does not deliver audio out via the HDMI cable
- While it records 1080p, the onboard HDMI cable delivers 1080i only

Did I miss anything?

09/18/2008 06:39:23 PM · #115

Originally posted by dwterry:

Yeah, finally some 5D2 high ISO samples: @ 3200 @ 6400@ 12800

I've seen those. They look very good.

There's also a smugmug gallery with high ISO shots.

09/18/2008 07:49:07 PM · #116

Originally posted by smurfguy:

There's also a smugmug gallery with high ISO shots.

For those that don't know smugmug all that well ... you can view ORIGINAL size on this site by doing the following:

1) Click on the smaller thumbnail on the left to view a larger version of the file on the right.
2) Hover your mouse over the larger image and you'll see a fly-out menu appear on the right.
3) Click Original to view the full sized original file.

Also, from that same fly-out menu, you can click the blue "i" under Photo Info to view the Exif data (such as ISO speed).

bspurgeon

Fujifilm x100

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

09/18/2008 10:59:16 PM · #117

Wow. The 1600, and even 3200, is amazing compared to what I get at high ISO with my 40D. 6400 looks more than usable to me.

Simms

09/19/2008 02:55:16 AM · #118

Originally posted by bspurgeon:

Wow. The 1600, and even 3200, is amazing compared to what I get at high ISO with my 40D. 6400 looks more than usable to me.

At that size (21mp) 12800 is usuable, once printed that noise will be negligible. Outstanding!

Jedusi

09/19/2008 04:50:55 AM · #119

Originally posted by dwterry:

Yeah, finally some 5D2 high ISO samples: @ 3200 @ 6400@ 12800

As those are all apparently 'unprocessed' shots - has anyone tried doing a bit of PP on them to see what they 12800 iso could look like as a finished article ?

09/19/2008 09:57:12 AM · #120

I tried doing a bit of just that, Steve. I don't remember if I played with the 12800 or 25600 - Neat Image did pretty well, though there was some lower frequency chroma noise left (aka a little blotchy). I still might use it as a challenge entry (720px) or a 4x6 print.

The 3200 cleaned up almost perfectly, and the 6400 did very well also. I looked back at ISO 1600 shots with my XT and they we're, by comparison, laughably hopeless. I'll be gaining 2+ stops of usability.

-Jeff

09/19/2008 10:05:37 AM · #121

Originally posted by smurfguy:

I'll be gaining 2+ stops of usability.

At least! :)

BTW, you'll like the info provided here, re:Chuck Westfall comparison of 5DII to 1DsIII. Two and a half stops improvement?!? (hopefully not just marketing-talk)

09/19/2008 10:15:46 AM · #122

Originally posted by dwterry:

Originally posted by smurfguy:
I'll be gaining 2+ stops of usability.

At least! :)

I guess I was comparing my terribly 1600 with the usable 6400, though that's what the "+" was for. =)

I'd rather not get my hopes too high, then be pleasantly surprised come turkey time.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

09/19/2008 11:09:21 AM · #123

Originally posted by smurfguy:

I'd rather not get my hopes too high, then be pleasantly surprised come turkey time.

Actually, that's more the stance I'm taking as well. I mean, you can look at samples all you want, but what really matters is how "you" take pictures, what kind of environment you're in, how you typically light the scene, how big you print your images, etc. So I won't really know until it comes to processing my own pictures.

Still... the camera is on order. I'm already biting my nails. :)

Mick

Canon EOS-5D

09/19/2008 04:02:08 PM · #124

Yeah, I placed my order too... with my wife.

I'm holding my breath until my new camera arrives. 8|

Simms