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09/17/2008 12:04:22 AM · #1
Here are the specs: DPREVIEW

21.1 Megapixels
FULL 1080 HD VIDEO

bunch of other cool stuff

check it out

-Ryan
09/17/2008 12:06:35 AM · #2
Better change the thread title to "5D Mark II RELEASED" =)

Looking for pricing, release date now...

Body-only prices: US: $ 2,699, EU: 2,499, UK: £ 2,299
Bob Atkins: scheduled for delivery by the end of November

To be honest, I don't see that many whiz-bang features aside from HD video. It's basically a 5D with an improved sensor, expanded ISO, more MP, and HD video. If it's as stellar as the 5D was in it's day, $2699 is a decent price. Checking samples now...

WEAK - two ISO100 samples. =(

Message edited by author 2008-09-17 01:15:20.
09/17/2008 12:08:09 AM · #3
oh yeah SC please change that if you don't mind to MARK II
09/17/2008 12:13:39 AM · #4
I know what I am getting with my bonus :D

09/17/2008 12:17:18 AM · #5
Hmm, looks tempting. Wonder what the price tag will look like.
09/17/2008 12:17:31 AM · #6
The 1080 HD is a surprise to me. Is that 1080i or 1080p?

Considering I just got the 40D a couple months ago, it may be quite a while for this one.
09/17/2008 12:33:51 AM · #7
I *like* the price!
09/17/2008 12:36:57 AM · #8
Originally posted by dwterry:

I *like* the price!

I agree. I was originally skeptical, but it looks like they've skipped the flashy features and went hard-core low-noise, coming in under pricing expectations. Let's hope this is truly the case.

I would have liked more AF points, though, and some high ISO samples!

Message edited by author 2008-09-17 00:37:38.
09/17/2008 12:42:30 AM · #9
At that price, not much motivation to sell the old one to fund the new one either. Cool news.
09/17/2008 12:52:17 AM · #10
Has anyone seen the specs for sRaw1/sRaw2 ?

09/17/2008 12:58:52 AM · #11
In case you can't get to the samples (servers are slow - I've been downloading them for almost an hour).

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09/17/2008 01:02:25 AM · #12
Well, overall I'm happy...

21mp made from large pixels, highlight tone priority, high ISO / low noise (supposedly, I'd like to see samples), sRaw1/sRaw2 (I'd like to see specs), sensor cleaning, large buffer plus UDMA support for faster / extended shoot sequences.

Anyway, I'll probably have one on order as soon as they're available. I've been wanting to upgrade my 5D for a long time, but just haven't wanted to jump to the 1Ds Mark III (or rather, to the $8500 price tag) to do it.


09/17/2008 01:05:39 AM · #13
Originally posted by smurfguy:

In case you can't get to the samples (servers are slow - I've been downloading them for almost an hour).

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Hmmm... not the greatest image for "selling the camera". Shooting at 1/100th at f/2 probably leaves focus a bit difficult to nail (photographer + subject movement at shallow DOF, I mean). I look forward to seeing high ISO samples.

09/17/2008 01:10:34 AM · #14
Sometime after the first of the year I'll pick one up. I'd like to see the viewfinder/AF points first though. That's the one nit i had to pick with the 5D. FF sensor and viewfinder is awesome of course, but the AF points were the same as the 20/30/40D placement wise - too far from the edges of the frame.

ISO 25,600, sRAW sizes of 11.1 and 5.2MP in addition to the beastly 21mp.

And $2699 huh? I'm thinking of getting the kit lens (24-105) as it's only an extra 800 in kit form and it's a lens i've considered getting. Hopefully by feb or so the price will drop $100 or 2. At least availabilty shouldn't be an issue.

As for video...I don't know, add that to my wedding offerings somehow?
09/17/2008 01:14:33 AM · #15
Bob Atkins site says "scheduled for delivery by the end of November"

Too bad I paid $1150 for my 24-105... but, at least I've had the pleasure of its company for the past many months, so no regrets here. =)

A bit of the other sample (sorry for the crops - the full file was 12M):
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Again, be sure to click "View full-sized image".

Message edited by author 2008-09-17 01:23:15.
09/17/2008 01:32:35 AM · #16
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

sRAW sizes of 11.1 and 5.2MP in addition to the beastly 21mp.


Cool.

See, the Mark III had a downright tiny 2.5mp sRaw that made it pretty much worthless to me. I mean, what if I'm shooting sRaw and accidentally shoot something important at that setting? At 2.5mp there is hardly enough data left to make an 8x10 out of it.

However, 5.2mp should make a fine 8x10. And if I'm really concerned, then 11.1mp would be awesome while using half the storage space of the full sensor.


09/17/2008 01:45:41 AM · #17
Originally posted by smurfguy:

Bob Atkins site says "scheduled for delivery by the end of November"

Too bad I paid $1150 for my 24-105... but, at least I've had the pleasure of its company for the past many months, so no regrets here. =)

Again, be sure to click "View full-sized image".


BIG thanks for the samples, but both are ISO 100. C'mon, I want to see the 6400+ images!

Canon is honest on their delivery dates, unlike Brand N. There will be plenty on the shelves by Thanksgiving I'm sure.

Message edited by author 2008-09-17 01:46:53.
09/17/2008 01:59:06 AM · #18
Excellent! I'm looking forward to picking it up at the Photokina next Wednesday.... although I'll probably be making a bee-line to the Hasselblad stand first up :)
09/17/2008 03:31:40 AM · #19
Originally posted by Ken:

The 1080 HD is a surprise to me. Is that 1080i or 1080p?

Considering I just got the 40D a couple months ago, it may be quite a while for this one.


1080P
09/17/2008 04:51:50 AM · #20
I'll be interested to see if Canon can keep that price differential going in the UK ($2700 in US, $4100 in UK).

Grey imports ahoy :-)
09/17/2008 05:15:22 AM · #21
Originally posted by MilesW:

I'll be interested to see if Canon can keep that price differential going in the UK ($2700 in US, $4100 in UK).

Grey imports ahoy :-)


I was thinking exactly the same thing, I could fly to New York pick one up, fly home, and save myself about £800!!


09/17/2008 07:06:47 AM · #22
Originally posted by kevip6:

Originally posted by MilesW:

I'll be interested to see if Canon can keep that price differential going in the UK ($2700 in US, $4100 in UK).

Grey imports ahoy :-)


I was thinking exactly the same thing, I could fly to New York pick one up, fly home, and save myself about £800!!


Kev, seriously considering it.. man what an awesome camera.. Cant wait to see the high ISO samples..

For sale - Canon 5D mk1 - any offers?
09/17/2008 07:52:25 AM · #23
I know nothing of video (and not so sure I care to learn), but I read this commentary from someone on the DPReview site:

The new 5DII uses h264 formated video at a full raster 1920x1080 size!

h264 is very similar to the emerging AVCHD format, but the data rate Canon is using is absolutely incredible. Here it is from the specs:
1920 x 1080 (16:9) up to 12 mins (Quicktime 1080p H.264; 38.6 Mbits/sec)

This is a very high quality implementation of the h264 CODEC and in a progressive 30P format, should out-perform most professional HD formats. This really is unprecedented to have such high data rates with h264 compression technologies. It will likely be very close an uncompressed look.

For perspective, most AVCHD camcorders max out a 17Mbit/sec, which looks very good. Many consider h264 at 8Mbit/sec to be full broadcast quality. All stations broadcast HDTV in MPEG2 at 12Mbit/sec which is about 30% less efficient than h264 at the same data rate. For further perspective, most Blue Ray titles, the video in those is encoded at 10Mbit/sec. The 5DII is nearly 4x that! The professional XDCAM format uses 35Mbit/sec in MPEG2 - a far less efficient compressor.

This, combined with the special ability of a full frame SLR to reduce image detail in out of focus areas should result in even more superb imaging quality. This is because with much of the scene out of focus with smooth boken (unachievable with a typical camcorder) the video compression can devote better detail to the in focus areas dynamically.

I also love the feature that lets you shoot a still (or series) at any moment during the the recording of the video. This would be huge for wedding photographers which can cut to the photo at key moments during the wedding video. We'll see if it really works that way...

It appears the sound is uncompressed PCM. If the mic inputs aren't bad, that's a good format as well and much better than what most prosumer camcorders offer for audio format. Of course, the quality of the inputs, etc will be a factor and I doubt they've added a great mic preamp, but that can be provided separately on serious shoots.

09/17/2008 08:09:05 AM · #24
Saw this feature comparison on DPReview:

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09/17/2008 08:33:55 AM · #25
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