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 09/12/2008 07:05:08 AM · #26
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by toddster45:
my teacher has me in training for this one lucky i have a d70 with bulb ner ner ner!!!


I hope you don't let your teacher down!


i hope not but it was a quickie of a lesson..:)
 09/12/2008 07:08:16 AM · #27
Originally posted by chaimelle:
I was reading the minimal editing rules and it says you can sharpen but not with USM. Is smart sharpen allowed?

No, it is not.
 09/12/2008 07:10:27 AM · #28
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
I was reading the minimal editing rules and it says you can sharpen but not with USM. Is smart sharpen allowed?

No, it is not.


Is there a typo there? you CAN use USM in basic.
 09/12/2008 07:11:00 AM · #29
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
I was reading the minimal editing rules and it says you can sharpen but not with USM. Is smart sharpen allowed?

No, it is not.


Only Filter/Sharpen/Sharpen....that way the computer applies the sharpening wich means you have no control over the sharpening. Once resize and one sharpen....no spot editing...leave the dust there...only JPEG it, no changing to BW, and only one resize and sharpen, save for web....that's it!

Message edited by author 2008-09-12 07:13:15.
 09/12/2008 07:13:13 AM · #30
You can in basic, but not minimal.
 09/12/2008 07:13:26 AM · #31
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
I was reading the minimal editing rules and it says you can sharpen but not with USM. Is smart sharpen allowed?

No, it is not.


Is there a typo there? you CAN use USM in basic.


This is not basic editing - This is minimal editing. Only the basic sharpen is allowed in minimal editing.
 09/12/2008 07:13:43 AM · #32
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
I was reading the minimal editing rules and it says you can sharpen but not with USM. Is smart sharpen allowed?

No, it is not.


Is there a typo there? you CAN use USM in basic.


You may - sharpen your entry using your editing software’s “sharpen” or equivalent option. The use of customizable sharpening tools, such as Unsharp Mask, is not allowed.

09/12/2008 07:14:19 AM · #33
oops, showing my lack of multitasking skills there :(
 09/12/2008 07:17:16 AM · #34
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
I was reading the minimal editing rules and it says you can sharpen but not with USM. Is smart sharpen allowed?

No, it is not.


Only Filter/Sharpen/Sharpen....that way the computer applies the sharpening wich means you have no control over the sharpening. Once resize and one sharpen....no spot editing...leave the dust there...only JPEG it, no changing to BW, and only one resize and sharpen, save for web....that's it!


But can you shoot in B&W?
 09/12/2008 07:17:42 AM · #35
Judi, you seem to know these rules. Can you do a basic sharpen more than once?
 09/12/2008 07:19:43 AM · #36
Ken, the rules say you can use camera settings as long as you don't use multiple exposure, so you could shoot in b&w. You can also shoot in color and use Desat after.
 09/12/2008 07:20:00 AM · #37
Originally posted by chaimelle:
Judi, you seem to know these rules. Can you do a basic sharpen more than once?


No

Actually we may need verification from SC on that.

The rules state -

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sharpen your entry using your editing software’s “sharpen” or equivalent option. The use of customizable sharpening tools, such as Unsharp Mask, is not allowed.

It doesn't specify that you are only allowed to do it once, and yet I remember this image of Scalvert's got DQ'ed for Sharpening more than once, although it may be the type of Sharpening he applied on the second round of Sharpening.



Message edited by author 2008-09-12 07:23:24.
 09/12/2008 07:21:14 AM · #38
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
Judi, you seem to know these rules. Can you do a basic sharpen more than once?


No


I was afraid you were going to say that!
 09/12/2008 07:29:13 AM · #39
Im loving the minimal editing rules.

Now just need to think of something good to take a long exposure of. Hmmmm
 09/12/2008 07:43:16 AM · #40
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
Judi, you seem to know these rules. Can you do a basic sharpen more than once?


No

Actually we may need verification from SC on that.

The rules state -

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sharpen your entry using your editing software’s “sharpen” or equivalent option. The use of customizable sharpening tools, such as Unsharp Mask, is not allowed.

It doesn't specify that you are only allowed to do it once, and yet I remember this image of Scalvert's got DQ'ed for Sharpening more than once, although it may be the type of Sharpening he applied on the second round of Sharpening.


I believethat he got dqed not for sharpening more than once but for resizing down in steps. He resized to 1500 pixels, sharpened and then resized again I believe. The multiple resizes was the issue - not the multiple sharpens.
 09/12/2008 07:43:23 AM · #41
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
I was reading the minimal editing rules and it says you can sharpen but not with USM. Is smart sharpen allowed?

No, it is not.


Only Filter/Sharpen/Sharpen....that way the computer applies the sharpening wich means you have no control over the sharpening. Once resize and one sharpen....no spot editing...leave the dust there...only JPEG it, no changing to BW, and only one resize and sharpen, save for web....that's it!


You can change to B&W Judi. :)

You may:

fully desaturate your image using your editing software’s “desaturate,” “convert to grayscale” or equivalent function. Customizable tools are not allowed.
 09/12/2008 07:44:12 AM · #42
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
I was reading the minimal editing rules and it says you can sharpen but not with USM. Is smart sharpen allowed?

No, it is not.


Only Filter/Sharpen/Sharpen....that way the computer applies the sharpening wich means you have no control over the sharpening. Once resize and one sharpen....no spot editing...leave the dust there...only JPEG it, no changing to BW, and only one resize and sharpen, save for web....that's it!


You can change to B&W Judi. :)

You may:

fully desaturate your image using your editing software’s “desaturate,” “convert to grayscale” or equivalent function. Customizable tools are not allowed.


Hmmm....interesting...I seem to remember a challenge where there was none of that allowed and you couldn't even rotate.
 09/12/2008 07:44:45 AM · #43
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
Judi, you seem to know these rules. Can you do a basic sharpen more than once?


No

Actually we may need verification from SC on that.

The rules state -

#
sharpen your entry using your editing software’s “sharpen” or equivalent option. The use of customizable sharpening tools, such as Unsharp Mask, is not allowed.

It doesn't specify that you are only allowed to do it once, and yet I remember this image of Scalvert's got DQ'ed for Sharpening more than once, although it may be the type of Sharpening he applied on the second round of Sharpening.



but the reason written on that DQ was that only resizing was allowed -- were the rules changed since then?

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You may:
*[u]use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry,[/u] with the exception of combining multiple captures in-camera.
*rotate your entry by 90, 180 or 270 degrees.
*resize your entry once.
*sharpen your entry using your editing software’s “sharpen” or equivalent option. [i]The use of customizable sharpening tools, such as Unsharp Mask, is not allowed.[/i]
*fully desaturate your image using your editing software’s “desaturate,” “convert to grayscale” or equivalent function. Customizable tools are not allowed.
*request removal of your own entry during the voting period IF none of your last 25 entries were disqualified or removed, and no rules were violated.
*include existing images or artwork as part of your composition as long as the entry does not appear to consist entirely of a pre-existing photograph in order to circumvent date or editing rules or fool the voters into thinking you actually captured the original photograph.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
You may not:

*Use a RAW original or RAW conversion software.
You may shoot in RAW+JPG mode, provided you use the JPG original to create your entry.
*crop your entry.
*adjust brightness, contrast, curves or levels.
[i]*spot-edit your entry for any purpose.[/i]
*use the marquee, lasso, or similar tool to select a portion of your image for any reason.
*use any filters or other similar editing tools for any purpose.
*use layers for any purpose.
*adjust hue or saturation, adjust or eliminate individual color channels,
or use the Channel Mixer or any equivalent tool, except for the most basic black and white conversion as allowed above.
*add a border to your entry.
*hold more than one DPChallenge account, ask anyone to vote on your behalf, or link to your entry’s voting page.
*submit more than one entry per challenge.
*use the same original image in more than one challenge.
*use ANY editing tool to create new image area, objects or features
(such as lens flare or motion) that didn’t already exist in your original capture.
*add graphics, clip art, computer-rendered images or parts of other photographs to your entry during editing.
*add text to your entry during editing. This includes copyright statements.
*distort or stretch your image in any way.
*submit a photograph depicting male or female genitalia, or acts of sex deemed inappropriate by a majority of the Site Council

Message edited by author 2008-09-12 07:47:43.
 09/12/2008 07:45:02 AM · #44
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
I was reading the minimal editing rules and it says you can sharpen but not with USM. Is smart sharpen allowed?

No, it is not.


Only Filter/Sharpen/Sharpen....that way the computer applies the sharpening wich means you have no control over the sharpening. Once resize and one sharpen....no spot editing...leave the dust there...only JPEG it, no changing to BW, and only one resize and sharpen, save for web....that's it!


You can change to B&W Judi. :)

You may:

fully desaturate your image using your editing software’s “desaturate,” “convert to grayscale” or equivalent function. Customizable tools are not allowed.


Hmmm....interesting...I seem to remember a challenge where there was none of that allowed and you couldn't even rotate.

I believe that aspect was before the current minimal editing rules.
 09/12/2008 07:46:33 AM · #45
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
I was reading the minimal editing rules and it says you can sharpen but not with USM. Is smart sharpen allowed?

No, it is not.


Only Filter/Sharpen/Sharpen....that way the computer applies the sharpening wich means you have no control over the sharpening. Once resize and one sharpen....no spot editing...leave the dust there...only JPEG it, no changing to BW, and only one resize and sharpen, save for web....that's it!


You can change to B&W Judi. :)

You may:

fully desaturate your image using your editing software’s “desaturate,” “convert to grayscale” or equivalent function. Customizable tools are not allowed.


Hmmm....interesting...I seem to remember a challenge where there was none of that allowed and you couldn't even rotate.

I believe that aspect was before the current minimal editing rules.


Nope...it was this challenge....Straight from the camera - Advanced Editing!
 09/12/2008 07:47:31 AM · #46
Love6, you're quoting Basic Rules, this challenge is Minimal Rules. :)

oops


Message edited by author 2008-09-12 07:48:19.
 09/12/2008 07:48:44 AM · #47
Originally posted by Jac:
Love6, you're quoting Basic Rules, this challenge is Minimal Rules. :)

oops


Here are the Minimal Editing Rules for this challenge.
 09/12/2008 07:55:25 AM · #48
Originally posted by Jac:
Love6, you're quoting Basic Rules, this challenge is Minimal Rules. :)

oops


I figured it would be easier for the folks who aren't just going to challenge and clicking on the link to -read the rules carefully- :-) and yep those are the minimal (trial) rules ;)

rather than arguing over what is and what was and what might be allowed its really clearly written IMO :-)

Desaturate IS allowed so for those who like B&W -- for those who shoot in raw... don't forget you can't use your raw conversion software ! make sure you use the jpg & raw option and submit your JPG copy -- :-) as for sharpening it does not say you can't do it more than once but you'll probably get dinged by voters for over-sharpening an image and don't dream of using the customizable sharpening tools :-) or you'll get banged out as a DQ (EEP!!!!)

don't crop your entry and don't add a border just basically take it out of camera off of card -- resize to fit into challenge (*points to judi's link* for size specs*) desaturate if it is your desire - auto sharpen if that's your desire but otherwise -- don't touch anything else :-) ;) simple ;)

also the cool thing is you can ROTATE your image by the degrees allowed too! :-) niftybeans! :-)

Message edited by author 2008-09-12 07:56:53.
 09/12/2008 07:58:02 AM · #49
ok.. so lets get this straight... I have to set my camera up PERFECTLY (sharp, Contrast, SATURATION.. INSIDE THE CAMERA)

then I take the pic...

Now, I come home and plug my camera into my computer... What am I allowed to do (besides Unsharpen Mask?)

Can I work with the RAW file??? can I adjust the exposure of the raw file??

OR do I have to take the JPEG right out of the camera and live with it the way it comes???
 09/12/2008 07:59:26 AM · #50
Originally posted by Shutter-For-Hire:
OR do I have to take the JPEG right out of the camera and live with it the way it comes???

Bingo - you can sharpen using SHARPEN only (no smart or un). You can convert to b&w using grayscale or desaturation. Pretty straightfo.rward
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