Shd comments be mandatory ? - DPChallenge Forums

08/29/2008 03:00:55 PM · #1

Having been a part of the first challenge, I feel there is a need for more people to comment and not just troll (I realized the same myself, because the comments arent mandatory, I would just keep rating the pictures and move on).

So heres the big question: Why cant we make comments mandatory?

First I thought we do that only if someone rates a picture <=4.. but then everybody would tend to give at least a 5 to avoid writing one.

There are a few downsides I still see here:

[1] People might just garble instead of commenting -> but perhaps one can find out who did that after voting ends.

[2] People might 'copy/paste' same comment to all pics -> again, one risks their credibility if it becomes known who is doing that.

I feel this could work.

What do you guys think??

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

08/29/2008 03:02:06 PM · #2

You're new aren't you. :-D

Dirt_Diver

Nikon D3s

08/29/2008 03:02:43 PM · #3

OH NO....

quick delete your message and run and hide. You are going to stir up the monsters now.

OdysseyF22

Panasonic DC-G9

Olympus 12-45mm /f4.0 Pro

08/29/2008 03:02:49 PM · #4

Just for fun, do a search in the forums - this has been debated countless times already. There is no solution to this problem and no one will ever agree on how to handle it.

Dirt_Diver

Nikon D3s

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

08/29/2008 03:04:11 PM · #5

Originally posted by glad2badad:

You're new aren't you. :-D

Too late Barry's got you in his sites now... YOUR GOING DOWN!!!!

hahaha
J/K barry, and new guy

bassbone

Nikon Df

Nikon MF 105mm f/2.5 AIS

08/29/2008 03:04:17 PM · #6

To force people to comment when they vote would guarantee that very few would vote. Considering we have challenges with 200 to 500 entries, the typical entry only gets about 200 votes anyway. Cut that in less than half, and a single vote would have a pretty substantial impact.

Encouraging commenting is one thing, forcing it makes no sense

Dirt_Diver

Nikon D3s

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

08/29/2008 03:07:03 PM · #7

It's mandatory for you to vote your 20% for your vote to count is that good enough?

08/29/2008 03:07:18 PM · #8

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
You're new aren't you. :-D

Too late Barry's got you in his sites now... YOUR GOING DOWN!!!!

Why...whatever do you mean? I'm usually nice to the newbies.

08/29/2008 03:07:59 PM · #9

Originally posted by bassbone:

But that would also guarantee only serious guys vote, no? Are you saying you are ok with 1000 trollers who make voting a roller caster ride, as opposed to 100 serius voters?

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L USM

08/29/2008 03:08:57 PM · #10

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

It's mandatory for you to vote your 20% for your vote to count is that good enough?

Yes that is good already, but that doesnt guarantee comments. Perhaps make 20% commenting mandatory too no?

david_c

Canon EOS-7D

08/29/2008 03:08:59 PM · #11

Originally posted by Prash:

I feel this could work.

What do you guys think??

I think if you made comments mandatory, there would be a very serious drop off in the number of votes cast. Not everyone has time to comment on every image for which they cast a vote. Could you imagine trying to get through voting a Free Study with 400+ entries?

edit: What bassbone said.

Message edited by author 2008-08-29 15:10:41.

Olympus 12-45mm /f4.0 Pro

08/29/2008 03:09:53 PM · #12

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

OH NO....

quick delete your message and run and hide. You are going to stir up the monsters now.

Thanks for the advice, but that could be one reason why more people dont put comments .. the fear of monsters... ;-)

OdysseyF22

Panasonic DC-G9

08/29/2008 03:12:32 PM · #13

Add to which, there are images that you love and images that you hate. These are (relatively) easy to comment on. But what about those photos in the 4-5 range that are just blah - the ones that you are indifferent to.

I'd rather get a few comments from people who really had a reaction to my photo, as opposed to a bunch of comments from indifferent people. "I hate this because XXX" is much more helpful to me than 200 comments that basically say, "Nice."

BeeCee

Nikon D40

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

08/29/2008 03:12:51 PM · #14

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
You're new aren't you. :-D

Too late Barry's got you in his sites now... YOUR GOING DOWN!!!!

Why...whatever do you mean? I'm usually nice to the newbies.

Then again, you only consider them newbies for their first day; after that, they're fair game! ;)

Prash, I don't comment on every photo I vote. Does that mean I'm a troll?
Which would be better;
200 comments of "nice", "don't like it", "oof", "good find", or 10 comments that actually tell you specifically what the voter likes or doesn't and suggestions for improvement?

(btw, you've cast over 600 votes and left less than 30 comments... :) )

Message edited by author 2008-08-29 15:14:34.

CassieDoodle

Nikon D200

Sigma 50mm f/2.8 EX DG Macro for Nikon

08/29/2008 03:14:07 PM · #15

I'm confused... You said that you competed in a challenge, but your entry doesn't come up on your profile page.

BeeCee

Nikon D40

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

08/29/2008 03:15:02 PM · #16

Originally posted by CassieDoodle:

I'm confused... You said that you competed in a challenge, but your entry doesn't come up on your profile page.

If it's currently in voting it won't show until after.

jdennique

Nikon D3100

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED VR

08/29/2008 03:16:09 PM · #17

How many photos would you vote on if you had to post a comment for every one?

If you make the comments mandatory then how long would it take before people starting asking that comments be original as well?

I try and comment on photos I "rate" as less than average (below 5), but even that can take a long time.

one2one

Olympus E-5

Olympus 7-14mm f/4.0 Zuiko Digital Zoom

08/29/2008 03:19:45 PM · #18

I find it funny that you keep using the word troll. What consists of a troll for you? Please tell. You have received 101 votes so far with 2 challenges under your belt. How many of these votes do you consider troll votes?

Look here and do some reading. You may get a better idea of how to vote and what this whole commenting subject does to people whenever it's brought up. :)

Message edited by author 2008-08-29 15:21:58.

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

08/29/2008 03:20:11 PM · #19

Originally posted by Prash:

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
OH NO....

quick delete your message and run and hide. You are going to stir up the monsters now.

Thanks for the advice, but that could be one reason why more people dont put comments .. the fear of monsters... ;-)

That concept (negative reaction to comments) is so overblown IMO. I'm pretty much a tell it like it is (most of the time) commenter and rarely get PM'd or negative replies in return. I've commented on 40 entries so far in the Abstract challenge, and many of those comments aren't all glowing praises - not all of them have been marked helpful, but I've not rec'd any gripes either. Even if I did, I wouldn't worry about it. :-)

Molly

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

08/29/2008 03:20:38 PM · #20

DarkRider

Nikon D300

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

08/29/2008 03:22:38 PM · #21

Originally posted by Hatchet:

Lets just sit back and watch the show!!LOL