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08/29/2008 09:39:10 AM · #1 |
I'm having a few problems in trying to figure out color profiles.
I believe I'm following the correct workflow in color profile management but appears that no matter what I do I'm having an annoying issue that sRGB JPEG's look different outside of photoshop. They appear redder and more saturated.
I've recently purchased a new Viewsonic 950b monitor. What sold me on it was the fact it's supposed to have highly accurate color matching, so I had assumed I would have no problems with strange colors etc.
I have calibrated the monitor using the software that came with it as well as a Pantene Huey Pro (hardware calibration device).
My workflow is as follows:
1.) I'm using a Canon EOS 400D and shoot in RAW with the Adobe AGB profile.
2.) I then load the profile in to photoshop with the Adobe RGB profile still intact. I also check that the working space is also Adobe RGB. BTW I'm running on Windows Vista.
3.) Once I have finished editing etc, I then Convert the profile to sRGB, change to 8 Bit Color, resize, then save as a JPG. I have also tried the "Save for Web" web option as well.
In Photoshop the sRGB JPG looks exactly how I want it to look, looking almost exactly like the 16bit Adobe RGB (1998) PSD file. However, outside it appears redder and oversaturated in apps like IE, Firefox and Irfanview.
I also understand that apps such as web browsers etc outside of photoshop don't color manage, but I've heard that the latest version of Firefox (ver 3) does. I have this version and enabled color profile management but the issue remains.
Can anyone tell me if I'm doing anything wrong?
I've spent the last few weeks researching on the web etc (including the forums on this site), but haven't found the answers I'm looking for.
I'm at the point where I don't want to edit too many photos incase I'm doing it all wrong, so I'm kinda stuck.
Any advise / suggestions would be highly appreciated!!
Cheers,
Jaxson
Message edited by author 2008-08-29 18:18:01. |
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08/29/2008 11:05:47 AM · #2 |
You're not doing anything wrong. I'm assuming the viewsonic 950b is a wide gamut monitor. In a color managed application like photoshop, your shot will look fine, but in an application that isn't color managed, a shot with a lot of color will look...ummmm....fluorescent.
For browsers, you need to switch to a color managed browser, like Firefox 3. Google the instructions for turning color management on, because it is turned off by default. |
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08/29/2008 06:08:34 PM · #3 |
Thanks Ann, but I have already tried Firefox 3 with color management turned on. Same problem though.
The strange thing is that if I leave the image with the Adobe RGB (1998) profile embeded, the image looks identical in and outside of Photoshop.
The problem with this though is that other people with different monitors (assuming they are calibrated correctly) will probably see different colors unless the image isn't sRGB.
Message edited by author 2008-08-29 18:22:00. |
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08/29/2008 06:41:30 PM · #4 |
This may work for you..
Photoshop - Edit - Color Settings
In the "Working Space box" select the monitor profile you are currently using, that is, the one that was created by your calibration solution.
In Color Management Policies select "Convert to Working RGB"
Click OK (although you may want to save this as a preset before you click OK)
Now work on image as usual. When you want to "Save for web" make sure the tick in ICC Profile box is unticked..
let us know how you get on..
Bear in mind that you on non-wide gamut monitors the colours will look slightly different..
(why edit in Adobe RGB if you are displaying for the web? stick to sRGB for web stuff, adobe for print work).
Message edited by author 2008-08-29 18:46:12. |
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08/29/2008 07:52:16 PM · #5 |
| When you go to this page in your color managed Firefox, does it look right? Essentially, if you drag your mouse across the row of cyan boxes, the color in the image shouldn't change. If the image color changes, then you don't have color management turned on in Firefox. |
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08/29/2008 09:36:56 PM · #6 |
Thanks Ann and Simms for your suggestions!!
Simms, I have tried your suggestion and the color looks the same in and outside of Photoshop.
My only concern though, is won't people who are using different monitors to mine see the colors differently if I'm not saving the image with an embedded sRGB profile? I've been reading that sRGB is more compatable for viewing on the web accross a range of monitors.
Also the reason I'm woking on the image in Adobe RGB is because I might want to eventually print the image as well. I'm saving my images as PSD and working on them in Adobe RGB. Then when I want to send to the web, I convert to sRGB and save as JPG....keeping my PSD/TIFF image as Adobe RGB.
Ann, thanks for that usefull link. I have tested it and when I move my mouse accross the CYAN boxes the image barely changes. I have also rechecked the about:config area in Firefox and gfx.color_management.enabled is True.
Is it because my monitor is wide gamut (98 per cent of the NTSC colour pallette), that sRGB will only look the same outside of photoshop if it was of a lower gamut even if the browser can color manage?
Would it be possible for someone to send me a test sRGB embedded image that I can check to see if it's a problem with my workflow or not?
Message edited by author 2008-08-29 21:41:59. |
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08/29/2008 09:41:54 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Simms:
This may work for you..
Photoshop - Edit - Color Settings
In the "Working Space box" select the monitor profile you are currently using, that is, the one that was created by your calibration solution.
In Color Management Policies select "Convert to Working RGB"
Click OK (although you may want to save this as a preset before you click OK)
Now work on image as usual. When you want to "Save for web" make sure the tick in ICC Profile box is unticked..
let us know how you get on..
Bear in mind that you on non-wide gamut monitors the colours will look slightly different..
(why edit in Adobe RGB if you are displaying for the web? stick to sRGB for web stuff, adobe for print work). |
If you want to see what your image would look like using a different profile you can just use proof colours.
Message edited by author 2008-08-29 21:42:08.
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08/30/2008 12:52:30 AM · #8 |
My first answer would be the same as  Ann's. Other than that:
- check to make sure Photoshop is using your calibrated monitor as the default. In Edit->Color Settings->Working Spaces make sure the monitor listed behind Monitor RGB is the name that you gave to your properly calibrated monitor. After checking to verify, change the drop down back to Adobe RGB. (i.e., make sure your Monitor RGB IS NOT set to your working space.)
- make sure you are embedding the ICC profile. (although shouldn't matter with Windows since I believe it assumes sRGB if a file is without an embedded profile)
- when you calibrate your monitor, make sure you are starting fresh with a new profile and not merely recalibrating an old profile. Recalibrating a bad profile can cause problems.
Your workflow is fine, just don't skip any steps you listed - especially the "convert to profile" sRGB.
Here is another page to add to your knowledge base.
//www.gballard.net/psd/go_live_page_profile/embeddedJPEGprofiles.html#
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08/30/2008 11:59:13 PM · #9 |
I have finally solved the problem. It seems that it was just a matter of rebooting my pc :P
After rebooting, the sRGB images now look identical in Firefox 3 and Photoshop.
Something so simple has caused me days of frustration.
Thanks to your consise answers and suggestions, I was able to determine that my workflow wasn't the problem.
Much appreciated!!
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