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08/18/2008 09:15:37 AM · #1
This didn't deserve 87th place...


Buy hey, I could be wrong?

Message edited by author 2008-08-18 09:17:25.
08/18/2008 09:20:48 AM · #2
It got a score on the positive side of 5, so score wise, it did ok. This was a very high scoring challenge, however. My entry got a 5.78 average and only came in 59 out of 97.
08/18/2008 09:26:26 AM · #3
I didn't vote. But if I did..I would of voted 4 or 5.

All I see is a girl with too much makeup sitting in a garage reading a book. The garage scene doesn't add anything to the photo. Take a picture of the girl, and it might be interesting.. but it looks like ya'll went in the garage and took a quick picture with a flash.

edit: I just looked at the challenge, I realize now why you wanted the garage scene. Still doesn't work for me.

Message edited by author 2008-08-18 09:29:44.
08/18/2008 09:26:51 AM · #4
Ok, I didn't vote or even look at the challenge entries for this challenge. Looking at this shot now, and comparing it to the rest of the challenge...87th is generous...that is just my opinion. The lighting seems off, the colors seem off (white is not white but dingy gray), the angle and perspective is a little strange. The title seems to try and shoe-horn it into the challenge since there is no, again my opinion, connection to the occupation in the title other than the containers in the background which do not really convey shipping or management. They could just as easily be storage lockers (there is a facility down the road that uses just that - short trailers/stacking units as individual storage units.)
08/18/2008 09:28:52 AM · #5
Why did you need to put F****n in the title? Chill out man it's only fun.

ETA - it made it to your top 5 dude that ain't so bad.

Message edited by author 2008-08-18 09:30:25.
08/18/2008 09:30:23 AM · #6
I'm just curious, although this has no bearing on voting, since they didnt know ahead of time who's entry it was. If this is your occupation, as the challenge suggests. How is this even remotely related to what you do or what a shipping manager would do?

Matt
08/18/2008 09:33:11 AM · #7
Ouch... Note to self:

"Stop trying to be creative. No one gets it"

Adendum:

"do not mess with colours, people don't get i"

And:

"when shooting for a challenge unless your photo SCREAMS the challenge theme, don't bother... no one will get it"

08/18/2008 09:36:13 AM · #8
Originally posted by MAK:

Why did you need to put F****n in the title? Chill out man it's only fun.

ETA - it made it to your top 5 dude that ain't so bad.


the f*** got attention :)

and for Matt:

The idea came to me late as there is this couch (not sure where it came from) on the shipping grounds (NOT A GARAGE). I thought... that's what I would do after a long day of shipping... ya why not :)

PS yes other places use them for many things, but they ARE shipping crates

Message edited by author 2008-08-18 09:37:10.
08/18/2008 09:37:07 AM · #9
Originally posted by Eyesup:

Ouch... Note to self:

"Stop trying to be creative. No one gets it"

Adendum:

"do not mess with colours, people don't get i"

And:

"when shooting for a challenge unless your photo SCREAMS the challenge theme, don't bother... no one will get it"


The way I see it, you have two choices --

Blame the voters for not "getting it."

or

Accept responsibility for not communicating your idea well.

Same end result.

You have been given some good feedback already in this thread. It's not really playing nice to then insult them after they have given you an honest evaluation. If you really want people just to say, "Oh my goodness, I totally get it, how creative of you," please say so in your opening post. Otherwise, people are going to tell you what they think.
08/18/2008 09:38:54 AM · #10
Originally posted by Eyesup:


"when shooting for a challenge unless your photo SCREAMS the challenge theme, don't bother... no one will get it"


therein lies the "challenge."
08/18/2008 09:39:42 AM · #11
Originally posted by karmat:

Originally posted by Eyesup:

Ouch... Note to self:

"Stop trying to be creative. No one gets it"

Adendum:

"do not mess with colours, people don't get i"

And:

"when shooting for a challenge unless your photo SCREAMS the challenge theme, don't bother... no one will get it"


The way I see it, you have two choices --

Blame the voters for not "getting it."

or

Accept responsibility for not communicating your idea well.

Same end result.

You have been given some good feedback already in this thread. It's not really playing nice to then insult them after they have given you an honest evaluation. If you really want people just to say, "Oh my goodness, I totally get it, how creative of you," please say so in your opening post. Otherwise, people are going to tell you what they think.


You're right... I don't mind the comments, and in general I think you'll find that I'm very accepting of them... this time... for the most part... I find I don't... and hey, evey once and a while you need to defend your art :)

today I'm feeling defencive
08/18/2008 09:43:11 AM · #12
Originally posted by Eyesup:

"when shooting for a challenge unless your photo SCREAMS the challenge theme, don't bother... no one will get it"


You've got that one right! Even when it's due to a misinterpretation on the voters part. I entered what I thought was a very good, and tack-sharp shot of a reddish brown squirrel in "warm colors". I got slammed with low DNMC votes because many voters were looking for a conveyance of warmth, rather than simply the use of warm colors. If there is any room for it to be misunderstood it will be. The problem is, you are dealing with the average of 150 to 200 opinions and preferences in every challenge you enter.

I think there will be a lot of it going on in the mathematics challenge as well. I see a lot of entries that are of a structure with a geometric shape. Easy to call those DNMC.
08/18/2008 09:43:28 AM · #13
I think if you look honestly at your own photo, you'll notice the most glaring problem, being the terrible light, and the way it does not flatter your model in the least, whom you have dressed up to look as sophisticated as possible under the circumstances. Also, I don't think you've communicated well that you were "playing with colour", but rather, assaulting good taste with it. ;-)
08/18/2008 09:50:57 AM · #14
Originally posted by Louis:

I think if you look honestly at your own photo, you'll notice the most glaring problem, being the terrible light, and the way it does not flatter your model in the least, whom you have dressed up to look as sophisticated as possible under the circumstances. Also, I don't think you've communicated well that you were "playing with colour", but rather, assaulting good taste with it. ;-)


"While I don't like what you say, I will defend to the death your right tosay it" -- lol

I din't enter what I thought was a bad photo, and I still don't think it was THAT bad...

Ok so people didn't get shipping crates as shipping? There are no boat on the yard... maybe I should have put her in it?

ok so the lighing wasn't super... it wa after hours, and I didn't have a full studio setup at my disposal... just my sb800 (we didn't have a lot of latitude for how long we could be and what we could use and do)

The lighing: fine
The consept: not sure how much more I could have conveyed shipping...
08/18/2008 10:00:02 AM · #15
Originally posted by Eyesup:


The consept: not sure how much more I could have conveyed shipping...


I think there are many ways to convey shipping. You don't even need a person in the shot to convey it.
- You have a big warehouse - shoot a shot of the big warehouse to show the large production it is and how much gets moved
- Show someone working on a forklift moving boxes around
- show a perspective shot of a large number of boxes in the warehouse.
- etc.

Having a girl on a couch in a warehouse (although it is very hard to tell it is a warehouse by the choice of location) does not convey shipping to me - It conveys sitting on a couch in a dark room
08/18/2008 10:09:57 AM · #16
Eh, I thought my evening shot was going to do better than it did too. You win some you lose some.
08/18/2008 10:11:07 AM · #17
Originally posted by bassbone:

Originally posted by Eyesup:


The consept: not sure how much more I could have conveyed shipping...


I think there are many ways to convey shipping. You don't even need a person in the shot to convey it.
- You have a big warehouse - shoot a shot of the big warehouse to show the large production it is and how much gets moved
- Show someone working on a forklift moving boxes around
- show a perspective shot of a large number of boxes in the warehouse.
- etc.

Having a girl on a couch in a warehouse (although it is very hard to tell it is a warehouse by the choice of location) does not convey shipping to me - It conveys sitting on a couch in a dark room


I have to agree with bassbone here to an extent and the others that mentioned the flat lighting. I realize you only had your sb800 but if you shot raw you could have easily increased the colour temp to something a bit warmer as well as in ACR you prob could have brought up the shadows in the back some, and with advanced editing used layer masks to balance it all out.

Anyway I think you really need to chill out a bit, take a breather and maybe a couple beer and most importantly relax a little. The voters will vote how they like, you have a few good comments during the challenge and should be happy about that, theres no way you are going to please everyone so theres no sense on getting all stressed over it. Lastly you prob could have worded the thread title a little better and still gotten attention with it ;)

-dave
08/18/2008 10:11:56 AM · #18
A couple of observations since you opened the floor for discussion Micheal,

It certainly is a different take on the challenge, BUT, first impression on it is that is it a picture of someone relaxing after work.
One has to get at all sorts of angles to really see what is in the background and to understand it's relevance to the challenge, which becomes a distraction. Second, the lighting and skin tones hurt this in my opinion. Her red dress screams color, yet her skin tone, especially in her face, is muted, almost as if it was hand-brushed over in one color only, with the obvious exception being her lips - there are no subtle changes in tones, levels, shadows, etc on her face. Third, due to the containers behind her not having color, and the background fading away and getting obscure and dark, it really looks like a selective desaturation edit, which is what I initially thought when I opened the image.

Just my impartial, honest opinion, and yes, I do have an accurately calibrated monitor.
08/18/2008 10:13:03 AM · #19
you're all right I guess...

chilling now, and going for a morning coffee... or 2...
08/18/2008 10:15:19 AM · #20
Originally posted by Eyesup:

Originally posted by Louis:

I think if you look honestly at your own photo, you'll notice the most glaring problem, being the terrible light, and the way it does not flatter your model in the least, whom you have dressed up to look as sophisticated as possible under the circumstances. Also, I don't think you've communicated well that you were "playing with colour", but rather, assaulting good taste with it. ;-)


"While I don't like what you say, I will defend to the death your right tosay it" -- lol

I din't enter what I thought was a bad photo, and I still don't think it was THAT bad...

Ok so people didn't get shipping crates as shipping? There are no boat on the yard... maybe I should have put her in it?

ok so the lighing wasn't super... it wa after hours, and I didn't have a full studio setup at my disposal... just my sb800 (we didn't have a lot of latitude for how long we could be and what we could use and do)

The lighing: fine
The consept: not sure how much more I could have conveyed shipping...


Until you are able to look at your work subjectively this is the way it will always be.
08/18/2008 10:16:34 AM · #21
Originally posted by Phil:

Until you are able to look at your work subjectively this is the way it will always be.

Objectively? ;-)
08/18/2008 10:16:47 AM · #22
You are wrong, should be happy with a 5.2.
08/18/2008 10:21:54 AM · #23
Originally posted by Patsfan:

You are wrong, should be happy with a 5.2.


I'm never happy with average (even if average on this site equals more than average elsewhere.)...

Phil:

If we all looks at this objectively it would be a science not an art, and we wouldn't relly have to discuss it... I would be told where the formular was wrong, I would correct it and get a 10 next time... however because this is are it's a slow (ans sometimes painful) progression... I dont really every want to be able to look at my work stricktly objectivly

Message edited by author 2008-08-18 10:22:15.
08/18/2008 10:22:50 AM · #24
Originally posted by Louis:

Originally posted by Phil:

Until you are able to look at your work subjectively this is the way it will always be.

Objectively? ;-)


Haha. Oops!! lol
08/18/2008 10:23:16 AM · #25
Originally posted by Eyesup:

Originally posted by Patsfan:

You are wrong, should be happy with a 5.2.


I'm never happy with average (even if average on this site equals more than average elsewhere.)...

Phil:

If we all looks at this objectively it would be a science not an art, and we wouldn't relly have to discuss it... I would be told where the formular was wrong, I would correct it and get a 10 next time... however because this is are it's a slow (ans sometimes painful) progression... I dont really every want to be able to look at my work stricktly objectivly


Then you'll stay where you're at.
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