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08/12/2008 06:05:52 AM · #101
Does anyone know of a good attorney with experience in dpc editing rules? I was thinking about entering some challenges again. I want someone that knows all the intricacies and loopholes of the system, as well as which palms to grease.
08/12/2008 06:21:11 AM · #102
Originally posted by Mick:

Does anyone know of a good attorney with experience in dpc editing rules?

Come on, it's quite simple...

Originally posted by DPC Editing Rules for Dummies:

The party of the first part shall not heretofore edit their entry in such a way that it would be deemed a violation of any given rules which may be in effect at either the time of the entry or at the time of validation, whichever is more suitable to whichever member of the Honorable Site Council is administrating the validation request and if a violation occurs, a writ of habeas corpus will apply and an order of excecution shall henceforth be passed down by the aforementioned Site Council member and the participant shall be compelled to appear before a grand jury, where an indictment shall be read by one or more of the literate members of the jury and whereby if it is found that the participant willingly and knowingly violated any rules, regardless of him or her having any prior knowledge of said rules, a ruling will be handed down by a random member of the Site Council, not necessarily being the one that administrated the initial validation of the entry. The participant has the right to appeal to the general membrship via forum thread, but such appeal shall carry no weight and Site Council is not obligated to respond to said appeal until such time as a significant group of members have taken opposing sides on the issue and the debate degrades into personal attacks and the Site Council member on duty determines that one or more participant, not necessarily, but also not exclusive of the original poster (apellant), is worse than Hitler.


Message edited by author 2008-08-12 06:22:07.
08/12/2008 08:14:07 AM · #103
Originally posted by Judi:

Are you referring to in camera or out of camera textures and overlays?


I was refering to out of camera since I have no frickin idea what in camera textures and overlays are.
08/12/2008 08:17:52 AM · #104
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by Judi:

Are you referring to in camera or out of camera textures and overlays?


I was refering to out of camera since I have no frickin idea what in camera textures and overlays are.


In camera...where textures are used during the photographing of images...can sometimes be confusing to viewers...but at the moment is totally legal.
I hope this helps.

Examples -

In Camera Texture layers -
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/738/120/593466.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/738/120/593466.jpg', '/') + 1) . '
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/893/120/700369.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/893/120/700369.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

In Processing Texture layers -
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/25000-29999/27133/120/647560.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/25000-29999/27133/120/647560.jpg', '/') + 1) . '
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/25000-29999/27133/120/606547.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/25000-29999/27133/120/606547.jpg', '/') + 1) . '
08/12/2008 08:24:05 AM · #105
I still have no idea what they are. Just showing me the end result doesn't teach me anything. I ain't got no fancy camera what can do that.
08/12/2008 08:32:08 AM · #106
Originally posted by posthumous:

I still have no idea what they are. Just showing me the end result doesn't teach me anything. I ain't got no fancy camera what can do that.


check your cellphone camera - my cellphone camera has hundreds of background layers that you can use on photos
08/12/2008 08:32:48 AM · #107
Originally posted by posthumous:

I still have no idea what they are. Just showing me the end result doesn't teach me anything. I ain't got no fancy camera what can do that.


No...It is achieved by using a layer of texture in front of the subject...not by any means of camera ability.
08/12/2008 08:56:39 AM · #108
I'm not going to wade through the whole thread so maybe this has already been said.

How about having a "Texture" challenge occasionally. Maybe once every couple of months.
08/12/2008 09:02:57 AM · #109
My two cents (and that's about all its worth) ... option 2. I agree with [thumb]bmartuch[/thumb] a texture/overlay challenge every once in a while would be fantastic.
08/12/2008 09:25:26 AM · #110
I've never used textures or overlays but I'm always ready to learn something new. Are the people who are against it afraid that they'll get lower scores if they choose not to use it in a challenge? I don't think this would happen. There are so many different editing techniques and they all have their own following of voters who like them and voters who don't. It all seems to even itself out.

Message edited by author 2008-08-12 10:25:59.
08/12/2008 09:56:02 AM · #111
What, exactly, is a "texture". Doesn't allowing "textures" allow combining two or more photographs into a single image. What if my "texture" has people in it? Like this one?
08/12/2008 09:57:09 AM · #112
I have used, and like, Textures and Overlays. At times they help tell the story best.
I do think they should be reserved for occasional Challenges where they are
specifically permitted, or for "Creative Challenges"
(a much better name than "expert challenges")
08/12/2008 10:06:10 AM · #113
I vote for #1. Then once a year or twice a year have an overlay challenge.

08/12/2008 10:50:45 AM · #114
Originally posted by sfalice:

I have used, and like, Textures and Overlays. At times they help tell the story best.
I do think they should be reserved for occasional Challenges where they are
specifically permitted, or for "Creative Challenges"
(a much better name than "expert challenges")


I agree.
If some people want to use textures, let them. Stifling creativity is NOT the answer. It would be unfair to compete against those that did not use them.

So have specific Challenges that have "Extra Rules", or have an extra "Almost anything goes" Challenge each Month.
08/12/2008 11:24:04 AM · #115
Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by posthumous:

I still have no idea what they are. Just showing me the end result doesn't teach me anything. I ain't got no fancy camera what can do that.


No...It is achieved by using a layer of texture in front of the subject...not by any means of camera ability.


Well, of course you can do that. (I think I know where you're taking this, and I'm interested to follow...)

08/12/2008 12:07:47 PM · #116
Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by ambaker:

Originally posted by kolasi:

I like #1 the most, anything veering towards graphic arts takes away from photography, which is what this site is about.

If many people want b or c, then a seperate category can be created


I think I'm about here also... We have basic editing, and advanced editing. If there is sufficient desire for full blown digital graphics, then perhaps there could be Digital Graphics Challenge, or Graphic Arts Challenge.

It would appear that //www.dgchallenge.com is available, as is //www.gachallenge.com.

edited to remove faux links from the above potential web site names...


Why kick us off the site....Digital Photography is Photography as a general. What happened in the Dark Room also happens in the processing of Digital Images. We use some processing skills for Basic and Advanced so why not keep us all on the same site but in separate categories like we already have. Expert Editing is using nothing new then what we have already used for a very long time in Photography.

It's like having equestrian events that only include Cross Country and Show Jumping but trying to kick out Dressage to a separate part of the sport.....not good enough to belong...but strong enough to not go unnoticed.


I'm not trying to kick anyone anywhere... The contests that currently exist, will still exist. So you are still here...

But to take another look at your analogy, do you go to a Chinese restaurant, and ask that they start serving Tacos?

I haven't seen Mark Pehlps asking why they can't hold the 400 Meter relay in the diving pool...

True the site could try to be all things to all people... But those efforts often end badly. But then again, I'm not in charge, it's not my say, I have no influence, and it is probably better that way....


08/12/2008 01:07:47 PM · #117
Originally posted by muckpond:

...2. Allow all textures and overlays. This would put the decision in the hands of the voters and add more editing freedom in Advanced, but may cause problems if someone adds a texture to a selection so it appears to be part of the as-shot scene or uses an overlay file that we would normally consider a multiple exposure...


Although I'm no fan of textures and overlays, an open format appeals to me. Let the pure (you what I mean) appear side-by-side with the fill. Let the affections stand next to afflictions, so we may learn to tell them apart and outgrow that which does not endure -quickly.

Whatever problems arise, as sure as they will, can only strengthen and speed the process.

Message edited by author 2008-08-12 13:09:21.
08/12/2008 01:35:47 PM · #118
Originally posted by ambaker:

But to take another look at your analogy, do you go to a Chinese restaurant, and ask that they start serving Tacos?



No, but if they have Chow Mein and Szechuan Chicken, but don't serve Kung Pao Chicken, I'm going to ask.
08/12/2008 01:38:00 PM · #119
Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by ambaker:

But to take another look at your analogy, do you go to a Chinese restaurant, and ask that they start serving Tacos?



No, but if they have Chow Mein and Szechuan Chicken, but don't serve Kung Pao Chicken, I'm going to ask.


I can here in Phoenix @ the Chino Bandido!

:-P
08/12/2008 01:39:39 PM · #120
From what I can tell, the effects generated using textures is not all that different than what is generated sandwiching slides or doing multiple printing way back in the film days.
08/12/2008 01:40:44 PM · #121
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by ambaker:

But to take another look at your analogy, do you go to a Chinese restaurant, and ask that they start serving Tacos?



No, but if they have Chow Mein and Szechuan Chicken, but don't serve Kung Pao Chicken, I'm going to ask.


I can here in Phoenix @ the Chino Bandido!

:-P


Now I'm hungry...
08/12/2008 01:44:51 PM · #122
This is one of the better discussions about site direction I've seen here. But the DigitalArt/Pure Photography debate has been bouncing around in my head for a long time. I have a theory. I'm sure there are flaws, but after many revisions in my twisted head, the theory seems good. Here goes...

We have all of our existing challenge topics as is, but instead of one ruleset, have all of them. The difference is, instead of giving out one ribbon, you give out 5. One for each of the categories, and an overall. Straight from the Camera, Minimal Editing, Advanced Editing, Digital Art. This gives everyone their own preferred method of shooting and processing, and competes with people that follows the same rules, and then also throws everyone together to say who people liked better.

This also gives the SC some additional leeway with validation. If it fails the minimal validation, but doesn't fail the advanced, it can get moved to advanced. If it doesn't fit advanced, it can be moved to Digital art, only if it fails the digital art rules would it truly get dq'd.

I just think it's the best way to make everyone happy, and not alienate anyone, and give a fair ground for the type of competition this site is known for. Plus wouldn't it be cool if a straight from the camera shot beat out a digital art shot?

Anyway, this is my idea... do with it what you will.
08/12/2008 01:47:23 PM · #123
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

..I can here in Phoenix...


Slight chance you and I could be neighbor in a month or two... working on a deal with a software company right now :/
08/12/2008 01:55:28 PM · #124
Originally posted by eckoe:

This is one of the better discussions about site direction I've seen here. But the DigitalArt/Pure Photography debate has been bouncing around in my head for a long time. I have a theory. I'm sure there are flaws, but after many revisions in my twisted head, the theory seems good. Here goes...

We have all of our existing challenge topics as is, but instead of one ruleset, have all of them. The difference is, instead of giving out one ribbon, you give out 5. One for each of the categories, and an overall. Straight from the Camera, Minimal Editing, Advanced Editing, Digital Art. This gives everyone their own preferred method of shooting and processing, and competes with people that follows the same rules, and then also throws everyone together to say who people liked better.

This also gives the SC some additional leeway with validation. If it fails the minimal validation, but doesn't fail the advanced, it can get moved to advanced. If it doesn't fit advanced, it can be moved to Digital art, only if it fails the digital art rules would it truly get dq'd.

I just think it's the best way to make everyone happy, and not alienate anyone, and give a fair ground for the type of competition this site is known for. Plus wouldn't it be cool if a straight from the camera shot beat out a digital art shot?

Anyway, this is my idea... do with it what you will.


Looks good on paper but how do you know what you're voting on? Are the challenges listed separately with their respective ruleset?
08/12/2008 01:59:40 PM · #125
I would think the simplest method would be A flag would be placed on the entry during submission. This flag would be the category flag. It could show up on the voting screen to tell you what ruleset it was submitted under. This flag would then be the key to sorting into the category ribbons.
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