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08/18/2008 10:28:41 PM · #301
Originally posted by SnapperL:

Mick, my goal is not to get in a shouting match as i'm sure its not your intention. There are a lot of differing opinions on the site. As there should be different opinions! To me its very simple.

There hasn't been any shouting between us that I'm aware of. I certainly never intended to shout at you, and I have no problem with you expressing your opinion. I do ask however that you not attribute statements to me that I did not make. :)

Originally posted by SnapperL:

Perhaps there are people that don't even like the Advanced Rule set in its current form so they only participate in Basic challenges. And there are probably people that don't like to be "restricted" by the basic rule set so they don't participate in those challenges. But lets face it the Advance Rule set DOES allow you to do more to a photo than you could in a dark room.

On the contrary, almost anything can be done to an image in a darkroom. However, just as with digital editing, there's a point at which the edited image becomes something other than a photograph. At least that's what I and many others believe.

Originally posted by SnapperL:

So where is the gray line that differentiates between Digital art and a normal photo.

There are probably as many 'gray lines' as there are people with opinions on the subject. :D

Originally posted by SnapperL:

The answer is it does not matter.

It does matter. At least to some of us. Otherwise, why have any rules?

Originally posted by SnapperL:

Add another Rule set that allows MORE to be done to a photo and let the people that want to enter in to those challenges enter them. The ones that don't want to don't have to.

As I said before, I have no problem with that. Others probably will though. Personally, I wish we had a simpler set of rules, whether it includes overlays or not.

Originally posted by SnapperL:

Ok, I gave my opinion. I'm done.


Yeah, me too. Nice chatting with you Ben.
08/18/2008 10:32:41 PM · #302
Originally posted by pixelpig:

... or do you mean as he saw the scene in his imagination, as only he could see it? He's not here, to say for sure.

Ansel Adams has expressed this latter view, often, in print (pun intended).
Chapter 1 -- Visualization and the Expressive Image

The philosophy set forth in these books is directed to the final expression of the photographer's visualization -- the print. The two previous volumes of this series have been devoted to achieving a completed negative, but despite this emphasis, a negative is only an intermediate step towards the finished print, and means little as an object in itself. Much effort and control go into the making of the negative, not for the negative's own sake, but in order to have the best possible "raw material" for the final printing.

... In printing we accept the negative as a staring point that determines much, but not all, of the character of the final image. Just as different photographers can interpret one subject in numerous ways, so might they each make varying prints from identical negatives.

--Ansel Adams, The Print (1982)
There are many other relavant quotes from that book too, but I'm not that fast a typist nor looking for an infringement suit ... ;-)

The digital equivalents for the above would be "straight from the camera" for the negative, and the freely/variably edited file is the print. He himself seems to confine his editing to tone shifts (dodging/burning), but the final result was often far from a "literal depiction" of the scene as-shot.

Message edited by author 2008-08-18 22:46:54.
08/18/2008 10:39:27 PM · #303
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by pixelpig:

... or do you mean as he saw the scene in his imagination, as only he could see it? He's not here, to say for sure.

Ansel Adams has expressed this latter view, often, in print (pun intended).

I see your pun. Thanks for the humor! "D
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