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 07/31/2008 08:44:29 AM · #1
Just out of interest, why do canon pro cameras have the green automatic mode, when Nikon excludes it ...I realize you have the P mode on Nikon but it's not the same as the point and shoot on the canons and non pro Nikon's

Just wondering any views
 07/31/2008 08:48:53 AM · #2
Why on earth would you spend good money on an slr camera, then set it like a P&S and shoot without a thought? If I just wanted to aim & fire, I'd buy a P&S.
07/31/2008 08:52:27 AM · #3
I was only wondering why canon would do it and nikon does not.....
 07/31/2008 08:53:56 AM · #4
Originally posted by jarjar:
I was only wondering why canon would do it and nikon does not.....


Appeal to the soccer moms? Dunno. lol
 07/31/2008 08:56:52 AM · #5
Just to bug you Nikon people.
 07/31/2008 10:03:35 AM · #6
It is simply because Nikon cares about photography and wants their users to experience the true joy of actual photography, not pointing and shooting cats.

Nikon invented Digital SLR back in 1986 although Kodak was the first company to make DSLR a commercially available DSLR with their Nikon F3 based Kodak DCS-100, for only $30,000. Around 1989 Canon released one or more DSLRs. In 1999 Nikon introduced the D1 as the first DSLR to compete with film and the first professional DSLR. In 2001 Canon released their first professional DSLR the EOS-1D.

The point not being that one is better than the other but that until 200x Nikon had been cracking the whip for getting professional features and results into the DSLR market. So they obviously care more about it than the other companies did. :)

That said, maybe they just want to keep cameras more like their film counterparts since that is really what was professional for a great many years and it wasn't until companies started aiming at parents visiting Disneyland that they were worried about Auto modes. :)

*dons flame retardant Nikon branded underpants and hat*
07/31/2008 02:04:12 PM · #7
Thanks for your thoughts, must admit I love this site because so many people passionate about photography
 07/31/2008 02:21:03 PM · #8
Sweet there is no "Auto" Mode on the D700?!! That is awesome! Auto mode is for the lazy or new...
 07/31/2008 02:22:45 PM · #9
I'd just like to stress I didnt really want an auto mode , just wondered why canon did it and Nikon didnt
 07/31/2008 02:23:38 PM · #10
Originally posted by jarjar:
I'd just like to stress I didnt really want an auto mode , just wondered why canon did it and Nikon didnt


LOL I dig. I guess it is because Canon users need the crutch. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 07/31/2008 02:30:16 PM · #11
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Sweet there is no "Auto" Mode on the D700?!! That is awesome! Auto mode is for the lazy or new...


There is no auto mode on the D300 either!
 07/31/2008 02:31:41 PM · #12
Originally posted by salmiakki:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Sweet there is no "Auto" Mode on the D700?!! That is awesome! Auto mode is for the lazy or new...


There is no auto mode on the D300 either!


SWEET!!! :-D
 07/31/2008 02:38:23 PM · #13
Originally posted by idnic:
Why on earth would you spend good money on an slr camera, then set it like a P&S and shoot without a thought? If I just wanted to aim & fire, I'd buy a P&S.

Mainly because the SLR offers less shutter-lag and larger sensors, so something like wildlife or sports shooting yields a better-quality result, regardless of shooting mode. Auto mode probably even makes sense when one is shooting moving or flightly fauna, when one may have only a second or two to frame, focus, and shoot.

I'e always used a P&S because I can't afford "good" lenses anyway, and I don't have time to be dealing with sensor cleaning; for those "advantages" I sacrifice speed (shutter-lag) and low-light performance.

I never (knowingly) use Auto mode, though I often use P mode; the only difference is that Auto allows the camera to set the ISO value, and on mine anything above 200 gets very noisy. P mode fixes the ISO, but lets the camera set the aperture and shutter-speed.

Lately, I've been mostly using Tv (Shutter-Priority) mode, since I've realized that blur (or lack thereof) seem to be the most important consideration in choosing and composing a subject; aperture (and DOF) are of significantly less importance in most cases, and I can usually compensate for a moderate over- or under-exposure, even with a JPEG original.
 07/31/2008 03:07:20 PM · #14
Olys don't have auto modes. My E3 or my previous E500 didn't have auto modes. Even my C5050 didn't have an auto mode. Only P modes.
 07/31/2008 03:14:36 PM · #15
Originally posted by togtog:
It is simply because Nikon cares about photography and wants their users to experience the true joy of actual photography, not pointing and shooting cats had a profit motive which resulted in a change in functionality.

Nikon invented Digital SLR back in 1986 although Kodak was the first company to make DSLR a commercially available DSLR with their Nikon F3 based Kodak DCS-100, for only $30,000. Around 1989 Canon released one or more DSLRs. In 1999 Nikon introduced the D1 as the first DSLR to compete with film and the first professional DSLR. In 2001 Canon released their first professional DSLR the EOS-1D.

The point not being that one is better than the other but that until 200x Nikon had been cracking the whip for getting professional features and results into the DSLR market. So they obviously care more about it than the other companies did. :) the first to recognize and aggressively pursue what they rightly saw as a new market for camera equipment manufacturers.

That said, maybe they just want to keep cameras more like their film counterparts since that is really what was professional for a great many years are soley interested in increasing profits and it wasn't until companies started aiming at realized they could make even more profits by targeting parents visiting Disneyland that they were worried about Auto modes. :)

*dons flame retardant Nikon branded underpants and hat*


...just thought I'd make a few edits for accuracy. No charge.
 07/31/2008 03:55:44 PM · #16
I just checked every pro body I own and have owned in the past and I dont see an auto mode on any of them.

I see M, AV, TV, Bulb, and P. Auto mode is present on my 20D however.

Matt
 07/31/2008 04:07:00 PM · #17
Well, as I said, there's really not much practical difference between Auto and P mode -- having to set the ISO is just like deciding which roll of film to load before you start to shoot, but letting the camera decide everything else.

Auto mode gives you the equivalent of changable camera backs loaded with different speed films, and having the camera able to switch them almost instantly.
 07/31/2008 04:20:54 PM · #18
Isn't the Nikon P mode equivalent to Canon's auto mode and Nikon's P* mode equivalent to Canon's P mode?

Message edited by author 2008-07-31 16:21:29.
 07/31/2008 04:28:51 PM · #19
My Canon Powershot G2 has both P and Auto. The only difference is Auto makes the camera completely stupid and its user along with it... lol, a little harsh yes, but it locks the image size, quality, etc. to fixed values, basically takes all thought out of the process.
 07/31/2008 08:41:03 PM · #20
For what it's worth, I think the inclusion of the auto mode on the Canon bodies is good, certainly for the lower-end SLRs such as the Rebel/XT, although it's probably not so useful on the 5D. I have a 400D and I tend to use Av or Tv. When my girlfriend picks it up, she just wants to point and shoot so uses the Auto mode. I'd rather have the auto option available, especially if the alternative is to maintain a separate point-n-shoot.

08/07/2008 08:45:21 AM · #21
Originally posted by Jac:
Olys don't have auto modes. My E3 or my previous E500 didn't have auto modes. Even my C5050 didn't have an auto mode. Only P modes.


E-410/420/510/520 have auto modes on them.
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