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07/06/2008 04:42:56 AM · #151
Originally posted by bnilesh:

Originally posted by raish:


No, you will not be allowed to make that clear. Selective colour change is asking for trouble. There'll almost certainly be some sort of non-selective slider that will enhance the contrastive effect of your point of colour relative to the rest of the picture. I suspect that software manufacturers are too concerned with sales to be kind enough to have "Abandon Hope, All Ye Who Enter In" pop up on the screen when said tool is activated, but now you know.

Since the rule is strict about selective color tools in camera only & says nothing about saturation,color changes in post processing except desatuarion I think it should be OK.


I think that you don't need of a black and white background for this challenge. On the postprocessing, if you can obtain the black and white without selective desaturation is perfectly legal. there are a lot of possibilities for obtain this without break the extra rule.
07/06/2008 06:11:23 AM · #152
Originally posted by Rino63:

Originally posted by bnilesh:

Originally posted by raish:


No, you will not be allowed to make that clear. Selective colour change is asking for trouble. There'll almost certainly be some sort of non-selective slider that will enhance the contrastive effect of your point of colour relative to the rest of the picture. I suspect that software manufacturers are too concerned with sales to be kind enough to have "Abandon Hope, All Ye Who Enter In" pop up on the screen when said tool is activated, but now you know.

Since the rule is strict about selective color tools in camera only & says nothing about saturation,color changes in post processing except desatuarion I think it should be OK.


I think that you don't need of a black and white background for this challenge. On the postprocessing, if you can obtain the black and white without selective desaturation is perfectly legal. there are a lot of possibilities for obtain this without break the extra rule.


Lasciate ogni speranza voi ch'entrate!
07/06/2008 07:08:22 AM · #153
Originally posted by raish:

Originally posted by Rino63:

Originally posted by bnilesh:

Originally posted by raish:


No, you will not be allowed to make that clear. Selective colour change is asking for trouble. There'll almost certainly be some sort of non-selective slider that will enhance the contrastive effect of your point of colour relative to the rest of the picture. I suspect that software manufacturers are too concerned with sales to be kind enough to have "Abandon Hope, All Ye Who Enter In" pop up on the screen when said tool is activated, but now you know.

Since the rule is strict about selective color tools in camera only & says nothing about saturation,color changes in post processing except desatuarion I think it should be OK.


I think that you don't need of a black and white background for this challenge. On the postprocessing, if you can obtain the black and white without selective desaturation is perfectly legal. there are a lot of possibilities for obtain this without break the extra rule.

Lasciate ogni speranza voi ch'entrate!


L'inferno di Dante eheheheheh ma caronte chi è?:) (English version: The hell of Dante but who is Caronte here?)

Message edited by author 2008-07-06 07:09:42.
07/06/2008 08:26:20 AM · #154
I wish I had enough Italian to reply in kind, Rino, but then again, English is the lingua franca. It's known as Dante's Inferno in English and the line "Abandon all hope, you who enter" is often quoted. I found the Italian text in the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations, no less. Parallel text is available here, if you're interested.

Anyway the point would be that we are all comparable to the protagonist of the Inferno (although 'eternal suffering' exaggerates the problem). When special rules specifically forbid the use of software before or after the picture is taken, to selectively alter colouring in exclusive areas, then any processing that aims at and/or produces a similar effect must be questionable in its legitimacy. It's a sort of microcosm of the eternal photography versus processing debate that lives in the walls of dpc: there is probably no picture ever posted here of which one can say with absolute truth that no colour altering software was used before or after the transfer of the image from camera to computer.

È moltissimo piu dolce que l'Inferno, ma...
07/06/2008 10:07:31 AM · #155
Originally posted by raish:

I wish I had enough Italian to reply in kind, Rino, but then again, English is the lingua franca. It's known as Dante's Inferno in English and the line "Abandon all hope, you who enter" is often quoted. I found the Italian text in the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations, no less. Parallel text is available here, if you're interested.

Anyway the point would be that we are all comparable to the protagonist of the Inferno (although 'eternal suffering' exaggerates the problem). When special rules specifically forbid the use of software before or after the picture is taken, to selectively alter colouring in exclusive areas, then any processing that aims at and/or produces a similar effect must be questionable in its legitimacy. It's a sort of microcosm of the eternal photography versus processing debate that lives in the walls of dpc: there is probably no picture ever posted here of which one can say with absolute truth that no colour altering software was used before or after the transfer of the image from camera to computer.

È moltissimo piu dolce que l'Inferno, ma...


A challenge on the Dante's Inferno or on Divine Comedy(or simply Comedy as Dante said) would be great but in expert editing. would be great to test the photographic (and the photoshop) ability of the DPC members with this
07/06/2008 02:56:13 PM · #156
My entry is in... for better or for worse!
07/06/2008 03:06:50 PM · #157
My take on it is that they are trying to get us to use our PHOTOGRAPHY skills and not our PHOTOSHOP skills. This should be fun!!
07/06/2008 03:17:55 PM · #158
Never mind. :-/

Message edited by author 2008-07-06 15:19:25.
07/06/2008 05:38:39 PM · #159
Against my better judgement I submitted a photo for this challenge. I'm happy with how it turned out, but I'm almost sure that people are going to DNMC it because it looks like it's been desaturated. It hasn't though, I followed the rules to the best of my understanding. But I have to admit, I've read through this whole thread and I still don't completely understand the challenge or the rules involved. That was probably my first clue that I shouldn't be entering, huh? I think that everyone is going to have their own interpretation of what this challenge is supposed to be about and how it should be edited, which I think is going to make the scoring a little frustrating. I'm actually interested to see the entries to see how we all went about shooting a point of color. I just hope that my entry didn't miss the point. (really bad pun intended.:))
07/06/2008 05:41:33 PM · #160
Originally posted by Wenders11:

But I have to admit, I've read through this whole thread and I still don't completely understand the challenge......


No one does, so you are in good company. :)
07/06/2008 07:51:50 PM · #161
Bah! Here's what I hate. I haven't been reading this thread and had an entry I really liked which used some shifting colors to attain much of its bang. Seemed within the rules to me. I enter it and then decide to wander over to this thread and see what it's all about and see Shannon going all rogue on everybody.

How is the average person supposed to keep up? The rules say no selective desat. That's obvious. Now we have all this added interpretation?

I'm sorta disgusted. I got a backup shot that would be hard to DQ, but I don't like it as much.
07/06/2008 07:58:04 PM · #162
I can't figure out what the rules are either - can I add saturation of a color to bring it out more? - can I boost saturation? etc - so I am out of this as I really don't have a clue how to edit my shots....

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Bah! Here's what I hate. I haven't been reading this thread and had an entry I really liked which used some shifting colors to attain much of its bang. Seemed within the rules to me. I enter it and then decide to wander over to this thread and see what it's all about and see Shannon going all rogue on everybody.

How is the average person supposed to keep up? The rules say no selective desat. That's obvious. Now we have all this added interpretation?

I'm sorta disgusted. I got a backup shot that would be hard to DQ, but I don't like it as much.
07/06/2008 08:01:33 PM · #163
I THINK I have a good idea what DPC is going for. The problem is, I doubt the majority from reading this thread have the same good idea lol, and therefore the scores will be random. I might as well just put a photo on the forum and ask for comments. Then again, maybe this will be my only chance for a blue...
07/06/2008 08:43:46 PM · #164
Originally posted by Wenders11:

Against my better judgement I submitted a photo for this challenge. I'm happy with how it turned out, but I'm almost sure that people are going to DNMC it because it looks like it's been desaturated.

"Looking like it's been desaturated" is a possible cause to ask for validation, not DNMC. DNMC would be if there isn't one area of color which stands out from the rest -- suspecting selective desaturation is to question the method used to achieve the effect.

If you see a photo which looks desaturated except for one area, you must vote as if the photo is legal (which would seem highly in this case), and then ask for validation if you really think the photographer used an illegal technique.
07/06/2008 08:47:35 PM · #165
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Wenders11:

Against my better judgement I submitted a photo for this challenge. I'm happy with how it turned out, but I'm almost sure that people are going to DNMC it because it looks like it's been desaturated.

"Looking like it's been desaturated" is a possible cause to ask for validation, not DNMC. DNMC would be if there isn't one area of color which stands out from the rest -- suspecting selective desaturation is to question the method used to achieve the effect.

If you see a photo which looks desaturated except for one area, you must vote as if the photo is legal (which would seem highly in this case), and then ask for validation if you really think the photographer used an illegal technique.


Well in this case, whichever colour people look at in my photo...they will question its validity....I say...go ahead, make my day!!!
07/06/2008 10:02:55 PM · #166
I didn't look at this thread after page 1 'til now, two hours before rollover simply because I had a feeling it was going to degenerate into a post-processing nit-pick details.

I figured that would cloud my shooting for an entry.

Had I read the thread as of yesterday morning, it would have.

So I shot on the basis of having the subject have/be the point of color.

Now since I've gotta get my entry in if I'm going to......I just have to either put up, or sit it out.

I'm going for it, DNMC Police be damned!!!!

07/06/2008 10:07:12 PM · #167
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

I'm going for it, DNMC Police be damned!!!!


Awesome Jeb :)

I too have decided to enter. I wish everyone luck!
07/06/2008 10:20:22 PM · #168
I'm in and I look forward to the DNMC comments (oh and scores of 1, 2, and 3) from the quick voters :)
07/06/2008 10:30:52 PM · #169
Originally posted by raish:

Lasciate ogni speranza voi ch'entrate!


Indipendentemente di tutti sono contente con la mia foto!
07/06/2008 10:42:12 PM · #170
I’m in.
07/06/2008 11:23:31 PM · #171
Selective desaturation violates the rules of basic editing.

So when it comes to an issue of color, use a layer and don't use a mask on it. If it affects the entire image, as well as the color of your subject, then it isn't selective saturation/desaturaton.

07/06/2008 11:29:18 PM · #172
I have entered in by confirming from site admin about color shift. I have got a green signal where admin says that
"Yes, you can change colors, as long as you don't desaturate them."
wishing best luck to all!!
07/06/2008 11:33:37 PM · #173
I wasnt going to submit mine, but someone wanted me to. So I did. :)
07/06/2008 11:35:45 PM · #174
I'm a sucker for punishment, so I'm in too! It will probably have lots of DNMCs, but I'm entering for me...not the voters! :P (Got a 4.15 running in the june fS, so the heck with it!)
07/06/2008 11:38:43 PM · #175
i don't think i'm submitting anything for this but wouldn't fireworks make a good point of color since u can gets some isolated colors on a pretty black canvas? like i said...just asking....
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